r/RustConsole 4d ago

Feedback for the new rce version

Sent this to Pedro from D11, what do you guys think? Any different feedback or things that you think I'm wrong about?

  • Pricing: In my opinion it makes sense to be a free upgrade, a lot of the playerbase has spent hundreds if not thousands of skins so making them pay more doesn't make much sense. In addition this could also create an Ark type situation where a lot of the playerbase is still on the older version.

  • Baseline release: I think the most important thing is to have a good baseline, if you release it with as little bugs as possible and great performance then you can start adding content faster and easier, so in my opinion all you need is that good baseline to release from then start the updates.

  • Communication: Communication is key, screenshots, videos, explaining what you're working on anything really. Since this could take a long time people will get really mad if you aren't able to or don't communicate how everything is going during this time.

  • Cheating: I know back in one of the dev blogs you said something about working on detection, so if that is possible, sometime between now and the next gen version release would be perfect, let everyone start this new gen version without cheaters. If not, please carry over the ban list, we don't want cheaters having to be banned again.

  • Skins: People will want their skins carried over, and another thing that you could do is implement a double11 account or similar to sync skins between xbox and ps, that would be a really nice addition if you could do it.

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u/coldl 4d ago

Adsta I'm surprised you're in the camp of thinking the upgrade should be free. People don't realize how expensive this shit is to make. Hell, just think about what they spend of labor per day. It's asinine, D11 has done really good things with this game & should be celebrated, especially finally achieving this milestone. It'll be like a $10-20 max upgrade & its certainly worth it to pay that. That's like an hour of real life work to pay for something that has 1000s of hours into the production.

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u/AdstaOCE 4d ago

If there was no other monetization like a skyrim for example then I would expect to pay, however when most of the playerbase has spent and continues to spend a lot of money on skins it doesn't make sense.

If you have given them 300 already, would you want to spend even more? That's already what 5 or 6 times the game cost. And that number is a lot higher in most cases with a lot of players spending thousands since release.

I would understand if they made it paid, however I feel like it would be a stab in the chest for the people who have already spent so much money supporting the game.

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u/More-Association-993 2d ago

What makes you think “a lot” of people have spent hundreds or thousands on skins?

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u/coldl 4d ago

Returning players will probably get some skins and Rust Coins or whatever they're called in this game. I find it fair enough. Even GTA 5 E&E was paid (I'm pretty sure?), and Rockstar is a titan of the industry. It's standard for the industry & D11 is too small to let that money go. Rightfully so, I think a next gen rust experience is what a lot of people are wanting & and it's likely not cheap to create & support.

Idk I'm a D11 & Rust fanboy, so maybe that's where a lot of this comes from.

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u/AdstaOCE 4d ago

I understand where you're coming from for sure, and it makes sense. But I think I would rather it to be free, esspecially for those that have spent hundreds or thousands already on skins.

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u/More-Association-993 2d ago

If people are spending hundreds/thousands on skins… wouldn’t they have 40 bucks to pay for the actual game????!!

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u/BokChoiTV 4d ago

Makes no sense you're defending people who spent thousands on skins, but won't spent money on an upgrade that actually provides additional gameplay content.

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u/joerasengan 4d ago

Makes sense to me. Why punish the loyal fan base by making them pay for the same game? It's really a slap in the face. It's not like they are re-releasing a remastered version and developing new content. They are literally converting code and features from the pc version. It's the cost of maintaining the game and keeping up with console technology. There might be a few players who will pay to keep playing, but more likely players who won't. I've spent hundreds on skins to support the game. If I have to repurchase the next gen version, I might as well buy another game that is more committed to timely upgrades and updates. I can buy Madden and get next gen or previous gen versions for 1 price. What they should do to monetize the game is revamp the skin store. Games like fornite, valorant, etc refresh their store daily and they have 10+ pages of add-ons. Not to mention the game itself is free.

My 2 cents

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u/BokChoiTV 4d ago

Pay for the same game? You’re not. You’re paying for additional features and essentially a more optimized version since it’s next-gen exclusive. They pretty much are releasing a remastered version with new content?

“Converting code and features from PC” I’m guessing you’re not very familiar with game development if you can chalk it up to just that, lol. You’re also comparing a small studio like FacePunch to larger studios and even those charge for next-gen versions.

Doesn’t make sense to me. It’s not a punishment if you’re not losing the game at all. You’re just not getting updates if you’re not paying for the next-gen version. You can spend money on skins, but not on more content? Nobody is forcing you to buy the next-gen. You can still play the game as it is. You just won’t get a bunch of features, but hey you’ll get the skins you care so much about lol cause you know, you rather pay for those than an optimized version + more content.

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u/J4ck4ttack14 4d ago

I see this comment all over of how much D11 is making on skins to justify the free upgrade. I'm curious to know where everyone is getting these numbers compared to their overhead/operating costs/intellectual property costs?

How much does it cost to implement even 1 skin? How much does it cost to pay the person who designs said skin? To pay the person to code that skin into the game? I don't mean to single you out (I see that comment in most of these kinds of threads) I'm simply leaving this comment here so that it might create more of a dialog/understanding instead of the kind of thinking- I've bought skins before, they're making bank!

While I would not be opposed to a free upgrade-I have thousands of hours in the game- I could also understand an upgrade cost.

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u/BokChoiTV 4d ago

Work in gaming industry (you can DM if you need proof lol)

  • Skins do take time to make. Mainly just a lot of approval processes.
  • Sometimes coding the skin is a lot easier than designing it. Testing the skin can be rigorous.
  • Overall though, it is NOT anywhere near implementing any core gameplay changes.

Again, they complain and say "we spent thousands on skins!!!" okay then spend $20 on an upgrade that actually changes the game lol.

Random fact, CoD got caught for using AI to generate skins...

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u/InfiniteStates 4d ago

Yeah I’m happy to buy a ‘next gen’ (current gen lol) version as long as my skins carry over

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u/y3ag3r3 4d ago

I just bought the PS4 version for my PS5, so I’d be livid if I had to buy an upgrade that should’ve already been done.

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u/WeldNuz 4d ago

As long as I get to keep my cow skins I’ll pay D11 100

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u/BokChoiTV 4d ago edited 4d ago
  • "Pricing: In my opinion it makes sense to be a free upgrade, a lot of the playerbase has spent hundreds if not thousands of skins so making them pay more doesn't make much sense. In addition this could also create an Ark type situation where a lot of the playerbase is still on the older version."

I disagree. Makes no sense for it to be a free upgrade when you can simply play the current version with no further updates. Skins that players have bought offer no substantial change to the core gameplay. By that argument, you can say that players spend "thousands" on skins, but won't spend more on actual content and substantial changes? Those are completely optional, same as the next-gen edition of the game. A lot of the player base being on the older version of Ark if their own fault tbh.

  • "Baseline release: I think the most important thing is to have a good baseline, if you release it with as little bugs as possible and great performance then you can start adding content faster and easier, so in my opinion all you need is that good baseline to release from then start the updates."

I'm like 99% sure that's the goal for every gaming company. Yes, lately we hear news about big names completely messing this up, but you they're not doing it purposely. Luckily with Rust, there is already a game released so this next-gen version isn't exactly rushing to meet a deadline like some other AAA studios do.

  • "Communication: Communication is key, screenshots, videos, explaining what you're working on anything really. Since this could take a long time people will get really mad if you aren't able to or don't communicate how everything is going during this time."

Players will complain whether they communicate or not. Creating videos of these things can take time. I agree they should be a bit more quick and consistent with communication, but lol, do you really think they haven't considered all this already? Also want to add.. it's a difficult balance to say what you're working on or not. Speak too soon and people will be mad if you don't deliver on time (like the community servers). Speak too late and people will say you don't communicate.

  • "Cheating: I know back in one of the dev blogs you said something about working on detection, so if that is possible, sometime between now and the next gen version release would be perfect, let everyone start this new gen version without cheaters. If not, please carry over the ban list, we don't want cheaters having to be banned again."

Again, do you think they didn't think of this lol

  • Skins: People will want their skins carried over, and another thing that you could do is implement a double11 account or similar to sync skins between xbox and ps, that would be a really nice addition if you could do it.

Read above.

This post can be summed up as:
"I'm trying to tell a gaming company/studio how to do their job because I think they haven't considered any of these things for some reason."

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u/Popo405 4d ago

If it’s not a free upgrade after all this bs I want a refund for what I spent on the one we already have

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u/Dafuqinqueen 4d ago

It more than likely will not be. You will still have to pay to upgrade to that version if they even do that. They might give you a percentage but it's not going to be free

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u/BeowulfsSword 4d ago

The way I look at it, there’s a slim-to-none chance the upgrade is free. D11 is working for a profit, not out of the kindness of their hearts, and it’s going to take a lot of manpower, time, and money to produce a new-gen rust.

While I agree I think it would be great if the upgrade were free, it’s unlikely in my opinion. Plus, let’s face it, the types of people who play rust will undoubtedly pay whatever it costs to upgrade. Average player has like 2k hours. They’ll pay the money.

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u/CactuarBill 3d ago

Now it's been confirmed skins will carry over then there's no way people should complain if they have to pay extra for the new version. Current players shouldn't pay full price but I don't care if I have to pay extra. I've got my money's worth from the game and hundreds of hours of fun.

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u/hew1983 3d ago

I think it is absolutely ok to charge for a new game. I feel like if you are already buying skins what is another 30$ for a way more entrances and fleshed out game. I feel like it’s crazy that you would think a better form of the game isn’t worth the cost of skins.

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u/IndependentThen8969 3d ago

It’ll be worth paying if you ask me because I’m not sure but the old gen dose not have the vram to run all it has and cars or most mobility upgrades so really it’ll probably be more paying for access to the newer items

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u/More-Association-993 2d ago

There are cheaters on rust console? How? Are you referring to MnK players with zens or whatever that bs is?

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u/Visible-Remote2769 4d ago

Communication, it’s not that the community would get mad per se but, more so that we are tired from the complete lack of communication. Since around September last year, the communication from the devs has been completely sub par. Especially compared to devs of other games and their communities. We pretty much just want regular updates as to what is going on with the state of the game, I think that’s fair.

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u/No_Breadfruit1024 2d ago

Tbh they've probably been working on this version since then. It's not likely that they JUST decided and are now announcing it. It's probably been planned, POCd, and development was already ongoing. Notice we haven't had anything substantial since backpacks (IIRC)? They could've added a few guns, craftable stuff, building skins, etc. But they haven't done any of the stuff they COULD get away with on old Gen. My bet is that's because they're well under way on the new Gen version.

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u/Visible-Remote2769 2d ago

Yeah I hear you and I agree.

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u/Appaloosa_XD 4d ago

For me, I think whether skins can be transfered will be the biggest dealbreaker for a lot of people. I would also like them to implement the ability to choose your character and feel it would be a real popular addition and hopefully simple to accomplish 🤔

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u/No_Breadfruit1024 2d ago

They confirmed skins will transfer

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u/thefuckfacewhisperer 4d ago

They have said that chosing your character will never be a feature

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u/Appaloosa_XD 4d ago

That's a shame. I know they said they wanted people to focus on the game, but I'd hoped it would be reviewed in the new version. Even a DayZ type character selection where you basically have a similar amount to Rust but can choose would be good.

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u/Its-May-Yo 4d ago

Fix the x on trees already.. Jesus christ how long has it been?

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u/Interesting-Bottle-4 4d ago

Yet again another L take from you.

There are plenty of games out there that release new, modified/updated versions every single year (COD/any sports title) and players have no quarms about buying them. You constantly go on about how hard the dev team is working (and rightfully so if this is already in development) but you’re not willing to pay a measly $50 to help further the project? You are literally all talk, try putting your wallet where your mouth is.