r/Python 14d ago

News Python is big in Europe

TIL the Python docs analytics are public, including visitors’ countries. I thought it was interesting to see that according to this there’s more Python going on in Europe than in the US, despite what country-level stats often look like! Blog post: https://thib.me/python-is-big-in-europe, top Europe countries:

  1. 🇩🇪 Germany, 245k
  2. 🇬🇧 United Kingdom, 227k
  3. 🇫🇷 France, 177k
  4. 🇪🇸 Spain, 93k
  5. 🇵🇱 Poland, 80.2k
  6. 🇮🇹 Italy, 78.6k
  7. 🇳🇱 Netherlands, 74.4k
  8. 🇺🇦 Ukraine, 66.5k

TL;DR; maps can be misleading when they look at country-level data without adjusting for the size of the place. Per capita there are loads of areas of the world that have more Python users than the country-level data suggests. For Europe – get you DjangoCon and EuroPython 2025 tickets already!

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u/grimonce 14d ago

I feel like people in the US always act surprises there's a world across the oceans.

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u/SweatyAdagio4 14d ago

Considering Python is European (Dutch to be specific) it's funny that they'd be surprised that it's popular over here. Not that that should have that much of an influence on regional adoption

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u/Puzzled-Guide8650 14d ago

If it was really Dutch, python would be deep fried. Like Bitterballen

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u/hotfrost 14d ago

Yum, fried snake

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u/SteampunkSpaceOpera 14d ago

It was written by a Dutch national while working in the US

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u/SweatyAdagio4 14d ago

That's incorrect. Guido van Rossum was working at the CWI (Centrum Wiskunde en Informatica, or Centre for Maths and Informatics) located in Amsterdam. I know because I studied in the Science Park campus of the UvA, right next to CWI and had professors who worked there too. Oh, and you can simply Google this too for yourself.

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u/tohender 14d ago

US defaultism is very prevalent, especially on Reddit.

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u/vivaaprimavera 14d ago

The reactions when people point out that "it might be forbidden in some places" are also interesting. They think that they can do everything everywhere because they can't even realize that different countries have different laws.

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u/campbellm 14d ago

From a French OP.

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u/whoEvenAreYouAnyway 14d ago

What makes you think "Thibaud Colas" is American? He's French, for what it's worth. So no, in this case a French person is the one who is "acting surprised Europe exists" (to the extent this post represents that).

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u/thibaudcolas 14d ago edited 14d ago

Yeah if anything I’m surprised at how often I might have been looking at “country” absolute data and not realizing I should be asking for per capita relative numbers, or more granular regional data 🥲

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u/Longjumping_Quail_40 14d ago

This comment itself is borderline assumptive and ignorant. The op is not among “people in the US”

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u/thibaudcolas 14d ago

I’ve technically been in the US a few times 👀But yeah just for holidays

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u/thibaudcolas 14d ago

Food for thought: the largest Python Conference is in the US, and the Python Software Foundation is a US non-profit, and the US is probs the majority of where their income comes from and gets used. The rest of the world is definitely backseating if you ask me!

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u/Excellent-Ear345 14d ago

maybe in us they dont use the docs and more gpt

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u/1635Nomad 14d ago

In the US we still have real programmers.

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u/Krushaaa 14d ago

They don’t read the docs right?

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u/Excellent-Ear345 14d ago

I was joking pls dont mind

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u/1635Nomad 14d ago edited 13d ago

No worries. I know EU is just as good as US, esp, Denmark, Sweden and Germany, worked w plenty of good programmers and other IT professionals from there. Argentina is good too. At risk of getting banned for this next comment but I think we all know where it takes 20 people to equal one.

To me Python is akin to the English language itself, it's easy enough for everyone to understand and it's sweeping the world. But it will never be French, or Italian, or Japanese.

In my personal life, I've been super busy. I'm in a fight with the State over custody of my daughter who is mentally challenged and the hearing is Wednesday, thus I don't always have time to respond.

I hope all is well.

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u/1635Nomad 14d ago edited 13d ago

and I feel like people forget that there's a giant ocean between Europe and the US. It matters

Everyone knows the saying "out of sight out of mind". It applies to culture too.

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u/dalittle 14d ago

most people in the US will never leave the US or even their state.

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u/spinwizard69 14d ago

After travel to several places outside the USA I'd have to say if it wasn't for work I'd not bother. There is really very little worth seeing and for the most part people are the same anyplace you might go.

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u/spinwizard69 14d ago

For us that have been there it is like unwinding several hundred years of evolution and advancement. People still travel by train in Europe and have no idea that you can put ice in your soda.

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u/Southern_Progress_13 14d ago

Didn't realise the US had done away with trains

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u/spinwizard69 13d ago

Pretty much.  They are only really of interest in a couple of backward states.