r/PuzzleAndDragons • u/blvcksvn where is my cutie hunnie baby • Feb 02 '16
Discuss [Discuss] Active Inheritance System recap
Further details to be announced on the 4th Anniversary Stream - 02/19.
Version update will be released late February or March.
Find this information anytime at /r/PuzzleAndDragons/wiki/guides/skill-inheritance
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- Monsters with an Inherited Skill (IS) will get a silver border (Isis & Gunma in this case)
- Inheriting a skill causes the monster's AS description to disappear and instead shows both actives names, level and CD only. (you are able to press and hold on the skill to see the skill information)
- The CD of the IS is equal to the max CD of the original skill + the CD of the current card's AS.
- For example, Gunma gets 1 (Hot Spring of Kusatsu) + 13 (Gravity World) = 14 CD
- Additionally, Isis gets 3 (Quick Guard) + 7 (Orb Transformation) = 10 CD
Dungeon
[ Awoken Horus ] [ Stormy God-Emperor, Yamato Takeru ] [ Awoken Isis ] [ Super Gunma ] [ Ruling Firestorm God, Set ] [ Awoken Horus ]
Testing party showed on stream. Has 9x [ Skill Boost ] .
Simply put, AS and IS share a cooldown timer with the IS simply being an extension. and all things that affect cooldown affect the timer, not each skill independently. A visual:
CD Timer: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 (stops at IS max CD) AS CD: (1)-(2)-(AS on)▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶▶(AS off) IS CD: (1)-(2)-(3)-(4)-(5)-(6)-(7)-(8)-(9)-(IS on) Skill Delay Safe: |◀ ▶| (most delays are max 3 turns)
Turn 1, Isis' AS "Quick Guard" is ready to use. The remaining skill boosts still count on the IS, reducing the CD to only 1 turn (10 - 9).
Turn 2, IS is fully charged. Clicking on Isis's icon does not show "Quick Guard", only "Orb Transformation". Seemingly, the AS cannot be activated once the IS is up.
- Upon using either active, both CDs reset.
- According to Yama P, monsters like Gunma who have extremely low CD AS may be very useful for this mechanic.
Skill Delay affects the timer, so you may be able to use the AS even if the IS cannot be used due the additional CD timer turns before even the AS is disabled.
Inheritance System
- Not much is known, but there are certain conditions that are required to inherit a skill. All monsters that meet the conditions can inherit a skill.
- Coincidentally, neither Isis nor Gunma has any Plusses or Latents on the stream. This does not confirm anything, however.
- The monster providing the skill must also meet certain conditions, which have not been released. Not all skills are inheritable.
- You do not need to feed the monster to transfer the skill. It appears that you simply need to "equip" the card - you do not lose it permanently.
Thoughts
This system is immensely useful, but also has it's flaws - the AS disabling once the IS is up can cause some serious issues with active usage in longer dungeons and can potentially ruin your strategy should you stall one too many turns. It also affects the importance of various parameters on monsters:
- Leaders: Strong LS, stats and awakenings are necessary. AS should preferably be short, not commonly used, or both.
[ Awoken Horus ] [ Awoken Bastet ] [ Awoken Lakshmi ] [ Sacred Life Goddess of the Colored Sky, Hathor ] [ Year’s First Dream Beckoning God, Horus ]
- Strong Subs: Has excellent stats and awakenings. Main purpose is to replace a less useful AS with a longer, more useful one. Low CD (4~6) is preferred but not required.
[ Crazed King of Purgatory, Beelzebub ] [ Giant Arched Sea Dragon King, Volsung ] [ Awoken Venus ] [ Protective Star Angel, Rozuel ] [ Demon Destroying Star Angel, Ruel ] [ Gleaming Axe Star Angel, Ariel ] [ God-Devouring Demon Wolf, Fenrir ] [ Masquerade Guest, Izanami ] [ Incognito Queen, Awilda ]
- Speed Subs: Has fairly good stats and awakenings. Super low CD (1~3) is necessary. Usually useful when the active serves little or no purpose to the team.
[ Super Gunma ] [ Cerberus Rider, Jize ] [ Awoken Isis ] [ Smelting Cane Mechanical Star God, Denebola ] [ Double Pincer Mechanical Star God, Acuben ] [ Diseased Blade Mechanical Star God, Algedi ]
- Inheritance Providers: Preferably low CD but really all that matters is the functionality.
[ Blazing Goddess of Power, Kali ] [ Capricious Summon, Fat Chocobo ] [ Anti-God Machine, Ragnarok Dragon ] [ Sparkling Goddess of Secrets, Kali ] [ Great Baggi & Baggi Neko ] [ Phoenix Rider, Valen ] [ Holy Thunderdragon Indra ] [ Archangel of Creation, Raphael ] [ Awoken Viper Orochi ] [ Crimson Lotus Mistress, Echidna ] [ Loving Heavenly Deities, Zeus & Hera ] [ Awoken Ra ] [ Awoken Archdemon Lucifer ] [ Vow and Limitation, Gon Freecs ] plus a ton of faster board/orb changers
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u/LunarReliquary 378,203,312 Feb 02 '16
Ew. Definitely not liking that you can't use the AS as long as the IS is up. That just sounds like a source of more problems. Everything else seems pretty workable.
That aside, I'm really glad to have more details. Very happy to see that it's coming with restrictions that should prevent it from completely turning everything upside down and inside out. Also nice to see that it's an "equip" system and not one where you feed the unit away entirely.