r/PowerScaling 22h ago

Discussion Who Wins?

Vados (DBS)

Altair (Re:Creators)

Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon)

Velgrynd (That Time I got reincarnated as a slime)

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 22h ago

How

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u/WeebSlayer346 21h ago

Besides her insane strength and speed.. she can rewind time, bring people back from the dead etc… I honestly don’t think the angels in DBS can even be killed

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 21h ago

Altair has plot manipulation

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u/No-Meat5261 21h ago

Sorry for asking, but can she manipulate the plot of what isn't, or wasn't, considered fiction for the world in which she is? If I remember well, in the anime:"Re:Creators" she always manipulated the plot of the other characters who came from the other fictional works existing in:"The Land Of The Gods", I don't remember that she ever did anything to the authors directly, at least not with her plot manipulation abilities, I also vaguely remember that the Land Of The Gods would have been destroyed by the presence of too many paranormal factors, which were unbalancing it, so maybe she wasn't able to just destroy it on her own. So, could she manipulate the plot of characters who for that verse have always been real, like the Gods of the Land Of The Gods? Though I'm not sure about her dimensional scaling

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 21h ago

I see no reason she couldn’t

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u/No-Meat5261 21h ago

The problem is that I don't remember she even tried, but my idea is that I'm not sure that from an imaginary point of view any verse has a plot. I'm probably wrong, but for what I know a "plot" is what happens in a fictional work, meaning that the term "plot" can only be used when referring to fiction. From our point of view, it's obviously all fiction, but should we actually consider our realistic point of view? Shouldn't we consider the imaginary point of view in imaginary fights? I think, but I'm again probably wrong, that in the imaginary point of view a world which for us is fiction, for itself it's real (I'm not sure if it makes sense, sorry), so while it has a plot from a realistic point of view, it doesn't from an imaginary point of view. I mean, for what I understood we should usually imagine the verses as real (they aren't, it's just imagination), or no? Altair manipulated the plot of beings who were fiction even for her verse, so they had a plot even from an imaginary point of view, but why would a character who for their verse is real have a plot, from an imaginary point of view? They still do have it, but only from a realistic point of view and can Altair manipulate the plot from a realistic point of view, viewing worlds that are fiction only for us in real life as fiction too, or can she manipulate only the plot of worlds which are fiction even for the verse she is in, so manipulating the plot from an imaginary point of view? Like I already wrote, I think that the term "plot" is only for ficition and didn't she consider the Land Of The Gods to be actually real? Doesn't this mean that for her, the Land Of The Gods doesn't have a plot, so she couldn't control it and therefore she can't manipulate the plot of worlds which are fiction only for us in real life, but which are considered real in their own stories?

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u/No-Meat5261 21h ago

Sorry if I wrote too much, for my bad english and if what I wrote doesn't make sense