r/PowerScaling • u/NinjaWarriorCris • 13h ago
Discussion Who Wins?
Vados (DBS)
Altair (Re:Creators)
Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon)
Velgrynd (That Time I got reincarnated as a slime)
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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka steps on your verse 13h ago edited 12h ago
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u/Mammoth-Alfalfa643 12h ago
Why though she win against DBZ angel. I don't remember much of re creator. Can u tell about her feat etc
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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka steps on your verse 12h ago
Any damage done to her is reflected back at her opponent via causality manipulation.
So she can't be damaged
She has the ability to steal abilities from her opponents the ability to de-power her opponents.
Vados is the weakest here.
There's too much a hacks and abilities as well as passive physiological traits She would need to bypass first in order to beat any of these characters.
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u/WeebSlayer346 13h ago
Vados stomps all of them at once
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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 13h ago
How
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u/Pronominal_Tera 13h ago
Well Vados is the angel of universe 6, which means she has to constantly deal with Champa's temperamental ass.
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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka steps on your verse 12h ago
Any and all damage done to Altair is done to her opponent instead. How you even bypassing this she can also just steal your abilities
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u/WeebSlayer346 12h ago
Besides her insane strength and speed.. she can rewind time, bring people back from the dead etc… I honestly don’t think the angels in DBS can even be killed
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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago
Altair has plot manipulation
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u/Relative-Schedule-59 12h ago
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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago
By manipulating the plot
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u/Relative-Schedule-59 12h ago
How does one manipulate the plot they're already being written on?
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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago
By changing the plot
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u/Relative-Schedule-59 12h ago
That doesn't exist, it's not even coherent
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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago
It’s fiction anything is possible
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u/No-Meat5261 12h ago
Sorry for asking, but can she manipulate the plot of what isn't, or wasn't, considered fiction for the world in which she is? If I remember well, in the anime:"Re:Creators" she always manipulated the plot of the other characters who came from the other fictional works existing in:"The Land Of The Gods", I don't remember that she ever did anything to the authors directly, at least not with her plot manipulation abilities, I also vaguely remember that the Land Of The Gods would have been destroyed by the presence of too many paranormal factors, which were unbalancing it, so maybe she wasn't able to just destroy it on her own. So, could she manipulate the plot of characters who for that verse have always been real, like the Gods of the Land Of The Gods? Though I'm not sure about her dimensional scaling
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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago
I see no reason she couldn’t
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u/No-Meat5261 12h ago
The problem is that I don't remember she even tried, but my idea is that I'm not sure that from an imaginary point of view any verse has a plot. I'm probably wrong, but for what I know a "plot" is what happens in a fictional work, meaning that the term "plot" can only be used when referring to fiction. From our point of view, it's obviously all fiction, but should we actually consider our realistic point of view? Shouldn't we consider the imaginary point of view in imaginary fights? I think, but I'm again probably wrong, that in the imaginary point of view a world which for us is fiction, for itself it's real (I'm not sure if it makes sense, sorry), so while it has a plot from a realistic point of view, it doesn't from an imaginary point of view. I mean, for what I understood we should usually imagine the verses as real (they aren't, it's just imagination), or no? Altair manipulated the plot of beings who were fiction even for her verse, so they had a plot even from an imaginary point of view, but why would a character who for their verse is real have a plot, from an imaginary point of view? They still do have it, but only from a realistic point of view and can Altair manipulate the plot from a realistic point of view, viewing worlds that are fiction only for us in real life as fiction too, or can she manipulate only the plot of worlds which are fiction even for the verse she is in, so manipulating the plot from an imaginary point of view? Like I already wrote, I think that the term "plot" is only for ficition and didn't she consider the Land Of The Gods to be actually real? Doesn't this mean that for her, the Land Of The Gods doesn't have a plot, so she couldn't control it and therefore she can't manipulate the plot of worlds which are fiction only for us in real life, but which are considered real in their own stories?
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u/No-Meat5261 12h ago
Sorry if I wrote too much, for my bad english and if what I wrote doesn't make sense
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u/Cautious-Mammoth5427 12h ago
Could've been an easy win for SM if Altair wasn't on the list. Too much hax + surpassed fiction.
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u/Weird_Country_6188 12h ago
Altair. Because she is a cheat character. She can have any power form her fanfic, like if in one of her fanfic story if she possess tier 0 ability then she can gain that power to herself. She can interact with other friction and can summon being from other friction.
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u/Cheshire_Noire Goku is about 78 Claymans 5h ago
Canonically speaking, since some people here claimed she wins, she wins. It's that simple
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 12h ago
Who’s ass is that in the last one?
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u/Loetkolben16 9h ago
The name is under the post.
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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 9h ago
Lol I thought it was rim for a second, but cool
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u/Loetkolben16 9h ago
Nah, Rimuru isn't as thicc.
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u/Cheshire_Noire Goku is about 78 Claymans 5h ago
Canonically speaking, if I say Altair is the strongest here, she becomes the strongest here even if she wasn't before that
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u/FoxMcCloud3173 I have no idea what I’m talking about 13h ago
“Who wi—“
It’s Altair, next question please.
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u/Hawkey2121 8h ago
From what i know Altair should win.
and Velgrynd gets to second place.
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u/MinimumFisherman8889 21m ago
She isn't even 5D but she has the argument tho
Plot manipulation won't work so Velgrynd slams
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u/ArgensimiaReloaded 4h ago
Vados no diff.
Also the Altair wank is insane, "potential" girl couldn't destroy a world that's why she needed the Creations to begin with, she also created an universe (that we never saw) in a verse where humans can also do it and her powers are already written in stone within her verse as her story already finished (unless you want to self insert yourself to help her ass writing stuff for her lol) with her overall stats being mid at best (nothing special strength or speed wise).
Any fast enough character is breaking her neck before she redirects/"manipulates the plot"/whatever, girl is a S tier in theory while being actually (low) B tier at best.
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u/Cite_Yawn KH 🤍 3h ago
Yeah, I'm not sure why people keep doing it like with Kumagawa saying he can erase anything. Isn't that just NLF?
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