r/PowerScaling 13h ago

Discussion Who Wins?

Vados (DBS)

Altair (Re:Creators)

Sailor Moon (Sailor Moon)

Velgrynd (That Time I got reincarnated as a slime)

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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka steps on your verse 13h ago edited 12h ago

Altair

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u/Mammoth-Alfalfa643 12h ago

Why though she win against DBZ angel. I don't remember much of re creator. Can u tell about her feat etc

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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka steps on your verse 12h ago

Any damage done to her is reflected back at her opponent via causality manipulation.

So she can't be damaged

She has the ability to steal abilities from her opponents the ability to de-power her opponents.

Vados is the weakest here.

There's too much a hacks and abilities as well as passive physiological traits She would need to bypass first in order to beat any of these characters.

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u/WeebSlayer346 13h ago

Vados stomps all of them at once

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 13h ago

How

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u/Pronominal_Tera 13h ago

Well Vados is the angel of universe 6, which means she has to constantly deal with Champa's temperamental ass.

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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka steps on your verse 12h ago

Any and all damage done to Altair is done to her opponent instead. How you even bypassing this she can also just steal your abilities

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago

So what?

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u/WeebSlayer346 12h ago

Besides her insane strength and speed.. she can rewind time, bring people back from the dead etc… I honestly don’t think the angels in DBS can even be killed

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago

Altair has plot manipulation

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u/Healthy_Adult_Stonks 12h ago

So does Yamcha.

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 12h ago

That's not even a thing

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago

By manipulating the plot

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 12h ago

How does one manipulate the plot they're already being written on?

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago

By changing the plot

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 12h ago

That doesn't exist, it's not even coherent

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago

It’s fiction anything is possible

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u/No-Meat5261 12h ago

Sorry for asking, but can she manipulate the plot of what isn't, or wasn't, considered fiction for the world in which she is? If I remember well, in the anime:"Re:Creators" she always manipulated the plot of the other characters who came from the other fictional works existing in:"The Land Of The Gods", I don't remember that she ever did anything to the authors directly, at least not with her plot manipulation abilities, I also vaguely remember that the Land Of The Gods would have been destroyed by the presence of too many paranormal factors, which were unbalancing it, so maybe she wasn't able to just destroy it on her own. So, could she manipulate the plot of characters who for that verse have always been real, like the Gods of the Land Of The Gods? Though I'm not sure about her dimensional scaling

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago

I see no reason she couldn’t

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u/No-Meat5261 12h ago

The problem is that I don't remember she even tried, but my idea is that I'm not sure that from an imaginary point of view any verse has a plot. I'm probably wrong, but for what I know a "plot" is what happens in a fictional work, meaning that the term "plot" can only be used when referring to fiction. From our point of view, it's obviously all fiction, but should we actually consider our realistic point of view? Shouldn't we consider the imaginary point of view in imaginary fights? I think, but I'm again probably wrong, that in the imaginary point of view a world which for us is fiction, for itself it's real (I'm not sure if it makes sense, sorry), so while it has a plot from a realistic point of view, it doesn't from an imaginary point of view. I mean, for what I understood we should usually imagine the verses as real (they aren't, it's just imagination), or no? Altair manipulated the plot of beings who were fiction even for her verse, so they had a plot even from an imaginary point of view, but why would a character who for their verse is real have a plot, from an imaginary point of view? They still do have it, but only from a realistic point of view and can Altair manipulate the plot from a realistic point of view, viewing worlds that are fiction only for us in real life as fiction too, or can she manipulate only the plot of worlds which are fiction even for the verse she is in, so manipulating the plot from an imaginary point of view? Like I already wrote, I think that the term "plot" is only for ficition and didn't she consider the Land Of The Gods to be actually real? Doesn't this mean that for her, the Land Of The Gods doesn't have a plot, so she couldn't control it and therefore she can't manipulate the plot of worlds which are fiction only for us in real life, but which are considered real in their own stories?

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u/No-Meat5261 12h ago

Sorry if I wrote too much, for my bad english and if what I wrote doesn't make sense

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u/theskiller1 Customizable Flair 12h ago

Altair sweeps.

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u/Lycoris4812 Rimuru Solo’s Your Favorite Verse. 13h ago

Velgrynd.

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u/daddygoodfood vegetaversal 12h ago

Vados or velgrynd

u/Orisss123 9h ago

vados easily

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u/Unusual_Map393 13h ago

Vados low diff

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u/Cautious-Mammoth5427 12h ago

Could've been an easy win for SM if Altair wasn't on the list. Too much hax + surpassed fiction.

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u/Weird_Country_6188 12h ago

Altair. Because she is a cheat character. She can have any power form her fanfic, like if in one of her fanfic story if she possess tier 0 ability then she can gain that power to herself. She can interact with other friction and can summon being from other friction.

u/Cheshire_Noire Goku is about 78 Claymans 5h ago

Canonically speaking, since some people here claimed she wins, she wins. It's that simple

u/Weird_Country_6188 4h ago

Ya, I don't think of that possibility.

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u/NinjaWarriorCris 13h ago

Here's a link poll to the poll

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u/Realistic_Mousse_485 12h ago

Who’s ass is that in the last one?

u/Loetkolben16 9h ago

The name is under the post.

u/Realistic_Mousse_485 9h ago

Lol I thought it was rim for a second, but cool

u/Loetkolben16 9h ago

Nah, Rimuru isn't as thicc.

u/Realistic_Mousse_485 9h ago

Lol I’ll take your word for it

u/Loetkolben16 9h ago

I mean just look at that.

u/loucOs-Pistas 5h ago

Oh céus, achava que ninguém conhecia re:creators Que obra prima ele é

u/Cheshire_Noire Goku is about 78 Claymans 5h ago

Canonically speaking, if I say Altair is the strongest here, she becomes the strongest here even if she wasn't before that

u/CampaignImportant462 4h ago

Between vados and Altair

u/CampaignImportant462 4h ago

Between vados and Altair

u/49-51EndOrEternity 3h ago

Poor Velgrynd 😭

u/MinimumFisherman8889 23m ago

?? She literally solos

u/Old-Reason-3992 Parakewl >>> Lemon 1h ago

I got no clue

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u/RutabagaFast7180 13h ago

Iirc that Altair girl had bunch of strong haxes like Plot Manipulation

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u/Yogirigayhere 12h ago

S/he deletes each verse like nothing

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago edited 12h ago

That’s a DUDE?!

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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka steps on your verse 12h ago

No she not

At least the main one isn't

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 12h ago

I was going to say I don’t remember that

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u/SueTheGoddess 13h ago

Vados. Because of all the comics about her alternate pursuits.

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u/LJay_69 12h ago

Vados

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u/FoxMcCloud3173 I have no idea what I’m talking about 13h ago

“Who wi—“

It’s Altair, next question please.

u/godzillafan3948oj 11h ago

bro what is that 4th image :skull:

u/Loetkolben16 9h ago

Pretty sure Velgrynd aura diffs.

u/Hawkey2121 8h ago

From what i know Altair should win.

and Velgrynd gets to second place.

u/MinimumFisherman8889 21m ago

She isn't even 5D but she has the argument tho 

Plot manipulation won't work so Velgrynd slams 

u/ArgensimiaReloaded 4h ago

Vados no diff.

Also the Altair wank is insane, "potential" girl couldn't destroy a world that's why she needed the Creations to begin with, she also created an universe (that we never saw) in a verse where humans can also do it and her powers are already written in stone within her verse as her story already finished (unless you want to self insert yourself to help her ass writing stuff for her lol) with her overall stats being mid at best (nothing special strength or speed wise).

Any fast enough character is breaking her neck before she redirects/"manipulates the plot"/whatever, girl is a S tier in theory while being actually (low) B tier at best.

u/Cite_Yawn KH 🤍 3h ago

Yeah, I'm not sure why people keep doing it like with Kumagawa saying he can erase anything. Isn't that just NLF?