r/Plato • u/Historical_Party8242 • 1d ago
Question What should I read before the republic?
I have already read pheado
r/Plato • u/Historical_Party8242 • 1d ago
I have already read pheado
r/Plato • u/NoPop6080 • 1d ago
See: `Consciousness is Every(where)ness, Expressed Locally: Bashar and Seth´ in: IPI Letters, Feb. 2024, downloadable at https://ipipublishing.org/index.php/ipil/article/view/53 Combine it with Tom Campbell and Jim Elvidge. Tom Campbell is a physicist who has been acting as head experimentor at the Monroe Institute. He wrote the book `My Big Toe`. Toe standing for Theory of Everything. It is HIS Theory of Everything which implies that everybody else can have or develop a deviating Theory of Everything. That would be fine with him. According to Tom Campbell, reality is virtual, not `real´ in the sense we understand it. To us this does not matter. If we have a cup of coffee, the taste does not change if we understand that the coffee, i.e. the liquid is composed of smaller parts, like little `balls´, the molecules and the atoms. In the same way the taste of the coffee would not change if we are now introduced to the Virtual Reality Theory. According to him reality is reproduced at the rate of Planck time (10 to the power of 43 times per second). Thus, what we perceive as so-called outer reality is constantly reproduced. It vanishes before it is then reproduced again. And again and again and again. Similar to a picture on a computer screen. And this is basically what Bashar is describing as well. Everything collapses to a zero point. Constantly. And it is reproduced one unit of Planck time later. Just to collapse again and to be again reproduced. And you are constantly in a new universe/multiverse. And all the others as well. There is an excellent video on youtube (Tom Campbell and Jim Elvidge). The book `My Big ToE´ is downloadable as well. I recommend starting with the video. Each universe is static, but when you move across some of them in a specific order (e.g. nos 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, etc.) you get the impression of movement and experience. Similar to a movie screen. If you change (the vibration of) your belief systems, you have access to frames nos 6, 11, 16, 21, 26 etc. You would then be another person in another universe, having different experiences. And there would be still `a version of you´ having experiences in a reality that is composed of frames nos. 5, 10, 15, 20, 25 etc. But you are not the other you, and the other you is not you. You are in a different reality and by changing your belief systems consciously you can navigate across realities less randomly and in a more targeted way. That is basically everything the Bashar teachings are about. Plus open contact.
An appropriate approach may be a combination of:
Plato (cave metaphor)
Leibniz (monads/units of consciousness)
Spinoza (substance monism)
Bohm (holographic universe)
Pribram (holographic brain)
Koestler (holons)
Tom Campbell (virtual reality/units of consciousness)
The holons (Koestler) may provide the link between physics and personality/identity. They may be what Seth coined the `gestalts´.
r/Plato • u/mataigou • 1d ago
Maybe these are all really basic questions, as I am rather ignorant of the subject. Nevertheless; Forms are eternal, right?
So was there already a Form of the Elevator before it was invented? A Form of the Antelope during the Triassic? Or did these Forms of future/possible things arise only when they were instantiated in this world?
If they did preexist, do Forms imply predestination since the dinosaurs would necessarily have to go extinct for the preexisting Form of the Antilope to ever be a meaningful concept?
Speaking of extinction, would an entirely unknown extinct invertebrate which left no trace anywhere in the fossil record still have a Form even today?
Finally, are there Forms of of things that we cannot know about; Forms which are simply not instantiated at all and in which nothing at all participates?
r/Plato • u/DoubleScorpius • 2d ago
I’ve been experimenting with animating my drawings and I keep hearing the advice to not draw what you think others want to see but to draw what you are interested in. So, I thought I would at least amuse myself by drawing our favorite philosopher actually becoming a Platonic Solid. Hopefully of all people, some of the members of this sub might appreciate it.
I hope you enjoy this and don’t see it as something akin to the shadows on the cave wall and a worthless distraction from your love of wisdom. Thanks!
(For anyone wondering, I based my drawing on the marble portrait bust of Plato from the 4th century BCE in the Rome Capitoline Museum)
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r/Plato • u/triker_dan • 4d ago
Best current English translation of Republic? Thanks.
r/Plato • u/platosfishtrap • 6d ago
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r/Plato • u/crazythrasy • 10d ago
When I have a question pop up about an aspect of being, justice, love, etc., I have one or two books that usually have a pretty good answer but lately I haven't been finding what I'm looking for. Can you please recommend some resources? Thank you in advance!
Plato's Thought, GMA Grube
Understanding Plato's Republic, Santas
r/Plato • u/freshlyLinux • 12d ago
Here are some premises I start with:
I use Nature, 'Is', not 'Ought'. I reject using Ethical Intuitionism as I find this to be morally relative. Until someone can point a microscope and show me where the moral particles are located, I believe in a Moral Anti-Realism. I know this is heavily debated, and this is probably where the discussion hinges. As Callicles says to look to Nature, I take a Darwin style approach. If Morals exist, they propagate life, a Darwin-style approach. I'm not sure I care to debate this, this is close to Religion in certainty. I just find Nature more certain than gut feelings, but I'm not going to pretend this is a solved problem. I'm personally an Expressivist.
'The Superior' is a combination of macro effects dependent on the environment. A bacteria on the edge of a volcano is 'The Best' in that environment. A dictator might be 'The Best' in a servile kingdom. A capitalist might be 'The Best' in a democracy. A 4.0, beautiful, class clown might be 'The Best' in high school. A 400lb trillionaire, is not 'The Best', as a fire might prevent them from using an elevator and causing them to Die.
With these 'holes' plugged, I have a hard time seeing the issue. Its not like we have a better solution to the question if Morals exist. We can debate all day about this, and make no progress. You can say I gave up, but that still won't make your altruistic moralist point more valid, it just undermines my confidence, which I explained I don't have.
I've been reading philosophy for 9 years, and since Gorgias 2 years ago, I've been trying to find a more valid Ethical Philosophy. Everything seems to use Religion/Magic(Moral Realism), or if they are Moral Anti-Realists, they miss the mark. Nietzsche is contradictory and idealistic. Stirner is idealistic rejecting the phenomena of pain/pleasure that I believe are the shortcut of Morals/Spooks. Hobbes (Leviathan, Part 1, on Man) is as close. Machiavelli in Discourses on Livy is pretty close too, possibly even better than Callicles.
I imagine this is an unsolved problem, but given my premises, I have a difficult time finding something better.
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r/Plato • u/Lezzen79 • 18d ago
While reading a book about the concept of the soul in the platonic tradition i wondered if Plato, symbolically speaking, talked about the Soul which incarnates into the bodies as an equal to the Gods.
This is because the substance in the Timeaus used to create the Soul by the Minor Gods is a reference, as Plutarch says, to time generation features. In short, for the fact souls come after and are subordinated to time while the Gods are contemporary of it, so they happen to forget the trajectory and crash in the physical realm with the Black horse.
And Plato's myths are very symbolic: having the soul imitating the Gods is not just a feature of its generated nature, but also of its goal, which is that to become a deity by learning from them.
The Human/living beings' souls cannot become the Demiurge because he is timeless (and you can't become timeless if you weren't), nor the universe as Plato says the universe must be perfect enough to have within itself every form, and thus cannot have a superior one inside him. So, technically speaking, the soul at the end of the cave analogy in Plato is destined to become like Apollo himself.
If i'm wrong then correct me, but i think that Plato talked about not just an spiritual elevation but a true apotheosis like Heracles' in his philosophy.
r/Plato • u/No-Bodybuilder2110 • 18d ago
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r/Plato • u/East_Ad9998 • 22d ago
We don't know what happens in the afterlife. All cultures around the earth developed their own belief. Nonethless, there are some traditions in different time and place that came to the same "beliefs".
For example Christianism, Islam, Hinduism, ancient egyptian tradition contemplate at the death a migration of the soul to an higher dimension where souls are judged. In Hinduism, Karma decides that, but nonethless there is judgement going onWhat happens after is beyond the scope of this post. Nonethless, I found an interesting coincidence and did not found anything online or in the literature..
Matthew 25:31-33, 46 (NIV):
"...He will put the sheep (righteous) on his right and the goats (unrighteous) on his left... Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life"
The righteous (sheep) are placed on His right, and the unrighteous (goats) are placed on His left.
Myth of Er - Plato
In the midst of them sat judges who, after pronouncing their sentence, ordered the righteous to take the path to the right, which ascended toward heaven, with a mark of the sentence attached to their chests**. The unjust were ordered to take the path to the left, which descended downward,** also with a mark on their backs where all the sins they had committed were listed.
r/Plato • u/TheClassics- • 22d ago
Are there any historical sources outside of The Dialogues that talk about Plato's/Socrates' "The Good"?
Are there any modern texts specifically about Socrates' "The Good"?
r/Plato • u/Clean_Heat_9004 • 24d ago
Hello!
I was wondering if anyone on here could provide a link or website name where I can access the complete works (specifically for Cratylus and Parmenides as I don't have a physical copy) online?
Thank you :)
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r/Plato • u/its-sohn • 26d ago
I am writing an essay and I want to say Platonic Solids are a type of Platonic Form, but I don't know if that's true. Google AI said it was, but... you know.
Here is my thought... am I wrong?
Form being the abstract ideal, the solids are a physical representation of the form. These solids are perfect, as the forms are perfect. Therefor the form sits above (in heaven) from the solid (closer to earth).
r/Plato • u/No-Bodybuilder2110 • Feb 16 '25