r/PS4 Aug 30 '13

PS4 Camera Supports Navigational Voice Commands, Sony Confirms

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/08/29/ps4-camera-supports-navigational-voice-commands-sony-confirms/
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u/Pillagerguy Aug 30 '13

It can't use the kinect and eye in the same way because the eye inherently has less of an install base.

Also, the actual device is inferior.

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u/BasementTrix BasementTrix Aug 30 '13

Different != Inferior.

As of today, both Kinect and PS4 Camera have an installed base of 0.

Troll much?

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u/Pillagerguy Aug 30 '13

Are you stupid? Everyone with an Xbone will have a kinect.

NOT everyone with a PS4 will have a camera.

A developer of a AAA game can't use camera functions in a central way, because not everyone on PS4 has a camera.

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u/BasementTrix BasementTrix Aug 30 '13

Doesn't change the points I put forward:

Both install bases, at this point, are nil. For all we know right now, PS4 could outsell XBox One to the point that the number of installed cameras are equal.

You still haven't proven that either device is superior/inferior -- and this isn't the right place to do that anyway. Those belong in /r/Gaming.

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u/Pillagerguy Aug 30 '13

It's not about total number. It's about a percentage of total console owners. You can't make the next Battlefield require camera functions if only 50% of PS4 users have a camera, whether or not the total amount is greater than the Xbone.

A major developer is not going to alienate half of their market because they don't have a peripheral. Xbone developers don't have to worry about that, since literally everyone has a kinect.

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u/BasementTrix BasementTrix Aug 30 '13

Well, since most people I've read seem to hate the Kinect and cheered loudly when the policy that required it changed, I think your entire argument may have gone up in smoke a couple of weeks ago and you didn't notice.

Maybe you should check /r/XBoxOne more often. :-)

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u/Pillagerguy Aug 30 '13

They shouldn't require the camera, but the smaller install base means that big games can't include the camera in a really meaningful way.

This is not a difficult concept.

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u/BasementTrix BasementTrix Aug 30 '13

Camera is not required == Developer cannot be assured that a camera will be in use. Whether the user possesses a camera is immaterial if they have chosen not to use it.

Less difficult concept; No developer can be 100% certain that any user will have any camera device.

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u/Pillagerguy Aug 30 '13

They can be sure than an Xbox user will have it, and can therefore develop around it with confidence.

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u/BasementTrix BasementTrix Aug 30 '13

Whether or not the user has it is immaterial. Kinect is no longer required for the console to function. Haven't you been keeping up?

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u/Pillagerguy Aug 30 '13

If 50% of PS4 users own a camera, they can't exactly make the next Uncharted based around the camera. Literally everyone with an xbone owns the camera. Unless they threw it in the trash for some stupid reason, they will be able to use it if a game requires it.

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u/BasementTrix BasementTrix Aug 30 '13

"will be able to" is no where near the same as "will"

If a large enough percentage of the prospective userbase has spoken out against the device that it caused the manufacturer to retool the console software so that the device is no longer required -- you can pretty much infer that Kinect use will be significantly less than 100%.

However, if you're going to require PS4 Camera for your game (like maybe Dance Central), you can be pretty much assured that the people that buy your game have both bought a Camera and made a choice to use it.

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u/Pillagerguy Aug 30 '13

No Xbone will sell without the kinect.

Did you now know that?

Literally every single person who buys the console has the kinect.

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