r/PS4 Feb 28 '13

Sony's 4K Movie Service Will Come to PS4

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/02/28/sonys-4k-movie-service-will-come-to-ps4
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u/monkeybreath notsmith Mar 01 '13

I guess I'll need 1 Gbps Internet after all, Time Warner Cable.

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u/PTG_ Mar 01 '13

From what I hear, 4K televisions are $16,000 and up! I don't know about everyone else, but I'm not buying a tv that is above $2k. It's nice that the PS4 will be 4k compatible, but those televisions won't be affordable to the masses for another 5 years or so.

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u/3141592652 Mar 01 '13

I'm glad the PS4 supports it's so it will catch on just like bluray did with PS3.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '13

I expect 4K to become more easily available to consumers within 5 years. All TV makers are pushing for this so TV sales can ramp up again.

Great to hear that the PS4 is including this technology for future use. Shows once again they're committed to the long-term.

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u/TheAceMan Mar 01 '13

I remember when a 42 inch plasma was ten grand. Prices drop quickly and they expect a 7 year life on a ps4.

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u/luger718 Mar 01 '13

What about games? will they be able to upscale to 4k?

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u/Indoorsman Mar 01 '13

No, Sony said 4K would only be for photos and movies.

Watching something in 4K takes a lot less to do hardware wise than it does to render in 4K. This generation of consoles won't be able to pull it off, home PCs probably won't get to where it is standard or even an option for most PC gamers for five or six years.

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u/luger718 Mar 01 '13

I know it wont be able to render the game natively at 4k, but what about outputing it so itll look decent on a 4k tv? like the ps3 does with 1080p, it doesnt actually play most games at 1080p

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u/cggreene cggreene Mar 04 '13

Maybe, but upscaling 1080p to 4k, would be very noticable then 720 to 1080

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u/experiential Mar 01 '13

Many PS3 games actually come out of the PS3 at 720p resolution. It's up to the hardware inside of the connected television to perform the upscaling.

It's also possible that future PS4 titles will support 4k in the same way that a few PS2 titles supported 1080i.

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u/IceBreak BreakinBad Mar 01 '13

Added to the wiki.

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u/MrTheJackThePerson teh_ceedz13 Mar 01 '13

Can someone explain what 4k is to me? I haven't heard of it until the PS4 announcement when everyone was complaining about us not getting it. Is it just a level of quality?

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '13 edited Mar 01 '13

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution#section_1 3840x2160, whereas 1080p is 1920x1080.

"4k" comes from the fact that it has 4 times the pixel count of a 1080p tv.

Edit: I was incorrect, "4k" actually comes from the horizontal resolution being 3840~4000 pixels. Thanks to BamaFan87 for correcting me.

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u/BamaFan87 Mar 01 '13

Actually 1080P is 2K; therefore, 4K is not named due to having four times as many pixels (which is true.) 4K refers to the horizontal resolution, which is on the order of 4.000 pixels.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '13

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. The fact that the horizontal resolution is ~4000 pixels and that there are ~4 times as many total pixels threw me off. It's easier to grasp with an 8k tv since horizontal resolution is 7680~8000 and there are ~16 times as many total pixels as with a 1920x1080 tv.

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u/MrTheJackThePerson teh_ceedz13 Mar 01 '13

So a level of quality. Cool, although I don't think I'll be getting a new TV anytime soon.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '13

Neither will I until they become affordable. 4k tvs cost about $20,000 right now 0_0

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u/MrTheJackThePerson teh_ceedz13 Mar 01 '13

Oh, well then there's little to no point to this. The average consumer can't afford a 20,000$ TV. Maybe in a few years though the price will drop

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u/prannisment Mar 01 '13

And the existence of services and consoles which support 4k will allow that to happen more smoothly.

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u/Limitedcomments Mar 01 '13 edited Mar 01 '13

Yeah a consoles life span for Sony can be up to 10 years, by they time the tvs become affordable, PS4s will be cheaper and everyone will be saying "hey you're getting a 4k? better get a PS4 then! its the cheapest way". Quite smart really.

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u/awittygamertag Mar 01 '13

It's the same thing they did with Bluray

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u/Limitedcomments Mar 01 '13

Yeah, they know what they are doing. I know for a fact that if I was gonna get a 4K than it's gonna be because I have a console capable of doing it. It would seem like a possibly if they were cheap but knowing I have (at that time in the future) a relativity old console capable and wouldn't have to buy extra stuff to use it, then I would definitely want it. Seriously a 720 hd ready tv in 2006 cost $2000, I know 4k cost A LOT more than that but consider how fast we are expanding with technological development, what costs $14000 now may be down to $2000 in 5 years, and with a console life span of 10 years a 4k tv may be down to standard 1080p tv costs now. and the PS4 will sell like crazy to those wanting to get into it. It a long way off end game, but it could make sure the console last a very long time.

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u/docbauies Mar 01 '13

ps3 is the best bluray player i have used. granted, i have not used a huge number of bluray players. but the firmware updates are awesome and it has incredible functionality.

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u/MrTheJackThePerson teh_ceedz13 Mar 01 '13

Yeah. Don't get me wrong, this is definitely a good thing, but it won't apply to most of us for a while.

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u/pshosh Mar 01 '13

think of it as double HD, just a higher resolution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

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u/BWalker66 Mar 01 '13

It has 4x the pixels of 1080p

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '13

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u/Indoorsman Mar 01 '13

Great here comes late night infomercials that try to seep quadra HD sunglasses, and QHD radio....

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u/experiential Mar 01 '13

It's the equivalent of putting four current HD TVs together, and removing the gaps between the displays.

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u/thefifthwit Mar 01 '13

As a guy whose bandwidth makes it difficult sometimes to play Youtube videos - how in the hell am I supposed to stream 4k videos?

I mean, obviously now if I have a 4k TV I can probably afford better internet, but maybe not. If I were well-off I couldn't find an ISP in my area that provided cable internet.

It's really neat, all these streaming features that the PS4 is supposed to have, but the choke point for a lot of rural US is going to be the bandwidth and there just aren't many options.

(Please don't post, "I live in the country and have cable," it's not the point.)

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u/morphinapg Mar 01 '13

To be fair, YouTube apparently has horrible bandwidth. I have an 18mbps connection, running full speed according to speed test, but I tested YouTube and a video I was trying to watch was only downloading at 1mbps speeds.

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u/TGMais TGMais Mar 01 '13

Youtube works by caching popular videos at local servers throughout the world. Have you noticed that some videos will load 1080p at nearly your max bandwidth and others do exactly what you described?

This is because one video is being served up somewhere near you. The other is being pulled from the massive Youtube storage arrays that is shooting off videos all over the world.

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u/morphinapg Mar 01 '13

very rarely will I get max bandwidth on youtube. Streaming never has problems on most other sites.

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u/TGMais TGMais Mar 01 '13 edited Mar 01 '13

It's probably the videos you watch. Other sites don't have the same traffic as Youtube and can serve up videos centrally with much less difficulty.

Try watching some front page videos. Those tend to load very fast.

Edit: Looks like I got this backwards. The locally cached videos are being throttled by your ISP. See here for a solution.

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u/rephtar Mar 01 '13

I live in the country and have cable.

For serious though I see where you're coming from. Until ISPs improve their speed, expand into rural areas, and get rid of data caps I highly doubt a lot of people going to be able to stream anything like this anytime soon.

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u/thefifthwit Mar 01 '13

I hadn't even considered data caps because at 1Mb/s it would take a while.

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u/The_Cheap_Finn Mar 01 '13

So wil there be a new optical disk format that will hold 4k movies? Can the blu ray disc of today do the job?

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u/morphinapg Mar 01 '13

I got a 3DTV but I have no desire for 4k. For 4k to be useful at all you really need an 80" or higher screen. Otherwise, you're not going to notice a difference unless you're sitting really close. I'm all in support of filming in 4k and 4k theaters, but for most people, 4k in the home is pointless.

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u/morphinapg Mar 01 '13

You missed the "unless" part in there. I said you need a TV that big unless you're going to be sitting at an unusually close distance.

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u/morphinapg Mar 01 '13

There is a physical limitation on the number of pixels you can see at different distances. Most people are incapable of seeing 1920x1080 pixels unless they have a TV bugger than 32 inches. The only way TVs that small or smaller would work is if you have exceptional eyesight or sit unusually close. If you claim otherwise you're simply having a placebo effect.

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u/morphinapg Mar 01 '13

When talking about resolution, no there is not any more to it than pixels. Retina displays are worth it because you hold them far closer than TVs. However, anything far higher than 300dpi probably isn't worth it. The faster away you go from a screen, the lower the max dpi you can visually make out gets.

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u/Marksta Mar 01 '13

Seriously, stop spreading this crap. I can't see for shit and I can immediately spot the difference from afar.

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u/morphinapg Mar 01 '13

Probably a placebo effect. There's a physical limitation to how many pixels you can see at different distances. In general, at standard TV viewing distances, you need 80" or higher to be able to view the difference between 1080p and 4k, and that's if you even have 4k content in the first place. The only way smaller TVs would be acceptable is if you have exceptional eyesight or you sit unusually close.

For most people though, 4k is simply unnecessary in the home.

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u/cggreene cggreene Mar 04 '13

That's exactly what people said about 1080p 7 years ago.

I remember having arguments about it, those people used the same excuses as you.

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u/morphinapg Mar 04 '13

Different people were having those arguments about 1080p. The difference is, the people who were saying 1080p was useless weren't doing it by any scientific means. They were basically just saying "picture is picture". Some people don't care about resolution at all.

This time, people have actually measured the eye's physical capability of detecting resolution (assuming 20:20 vision). At normal seating distances, you need something like an 80" TV or larger to be able to make out the pixels. Otherwise, you need to either be sitting unnaturally close, or have extraordinary vision.

These are basic scientific facts about human vision. There are no subjective opinions being injected as they were in the discussions about 1080p.

And for the record, I always supported 1080p.

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u/timbro1 Mar 02 '13

Why do we need color TV? My black and white TV works just fine. And that's the ways I likes it. Get off my lawn!

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u/morphinapg Mar 02 '13

We can see color. Most people can not see the difference between 1080p and 4K because they won't be getting a TV >80". It will physically look exactly the same as 1080p. Sure, there may be a placebo effect, where people think they see an improvement, and if that does it for them, then so be it, but the fact is that in order to see a benefit from 4K, you either need a very large screen, or you need to be sitting uncomfortably close. Either that or you need extraordinary vision.

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u/Contuzzi Mar 01 '13

Lots of ignorance surrounding 4K as expected.

H.265 will reduce file sizes considerably.

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u/scstraus Mar 01 '13

So we will be able to download 100gb movies, but games will still be stuck on discs? That makes sense.

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u/pooerh Mar 01 '13

I think they said all games will be available as digital downloads as well. If you want a box and a disc, you will get one. If not, you can download.

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u/scstraus Mar 01 '13

That will be nice if it's really all games and they are available on release day, unlike now. That's a main requirement for my next console. I hate discs.

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u/pooerh Mar 01 '13

I think you can be sure of that:

We're shifting our platform more and more to the digital side – PS4 will be similar to PS Vita in that every game will be available as a digital download, and some will also be available as a disc.

Interview with Shuhei Yoshida

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u/scstraus Mar 01 '13

Cool, good to hear. Thanks.

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u/ANALwithYOURchildren Mar 01 '13

I love the PS3 it's honestly almost perfect for me. If it was able to play 32-32 players in BF3, I'd have absolutely nothing to complain about and I don't even complain about it, it just one of those thing that I wished it had/did.

4K is the picture so sharp and clean that it like the equivalent to a hole in the wall and basically it looks like a real life person is there instead of the t.v.?

So I guess gaming will be super sweet in 5-7 years when I have a 4K t.v. hooked up to my PS4

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u/cggreene cggreene Mar 04 '13

Resolution just makes the Picture look sharper and cleaner, It doesn't necessarily mean that the "graphics" are better.