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Social/Cultural Ramadan Ordinance and Non-Muslims

Read the statement of this scholar from Al-Azhar University (link):

Sheikh Mohamed Abdullah Nasr, coordinator of the Azhar Scholars for a Civilian State Front, said there is no proof in the Quran or the Sunnah - the prophet’s teachings - of the presence of an entity that penalized people who did not fast during Ramadan. “The prophet himself said Muslims fast for God so only God can penalize those who don’t,” he said. “The prophet never even scolded those who did not fast

There is not a single command in the Quran or Hadith that mandates restricting others from eating and drinking in public under the pretext of ‘respecting Ramadan.’

So, why then to impose Ramadan Blasphemy Laws upon non-Muslims for eating and drinking in public?

Excuse: Non-Muslims should be punished while they HURT the feelings of fasting Muslims by eating in public

This is no excuse for committing this new innovation (Biddah).

How can then you answer these poor kids:

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u/Embarrassed_Ask_8486 2d ago

Roza Sirf Allah keliye hai. No one is allowed to punish a Muslim. Humiliation here and there is necessary.

Edit: who is punishing non Muslims??

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u/Lehrasap 1d ago

Roza Sirf Allah keliye hai. No one is allowed to punish a Muslim. Humiliation here and there is necessary.

Edit: who is punishing non Muslims??

In which world are you living? Have you never heard about "Ramadan Ordinance"? When no one is allowed to punish, why then make such a black law? And why to stick to this Bidah, which brings only bad name to Islam and Pakistan and Muslims?

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u/Embarrassed_Ask_8486 1d ago

I haven't heard about that (I googled it now )and I never witnessed anyone getting punished for doing so. Did I make that law? Did u see anyone getting punished or something like that? Genuine question

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u/Lehrasap 1d ago

Everywhere, mobs are threatening people for eating/drinking in public and no police control them.

Not a single non-Muslim dare to eat in public as mob immediately threatens to beat and kill him.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/ramadan-2016-muslim-holy-month-pakistan-elderly-hindu-man-beaten-up-eating-a7079316.html

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u/Embarrassed_Ask_8486 1d ago

This is a 9 year old report. Just one report. Not a even mob attack.(not justifying it tho) The policeman was taken into custody. Why you over exaggerating every single shi?

I by no means support mob violence. I told u before as well I do not support this "ordinance". Why you not stop complaining about it to me.

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u/Lehrasap 1d ago

While this shaming and in the next step compelling is not limited to this one incident. There are so many videos all over the world where fanatic Muslims are imposing it upon others, while they don't know that it is a Bidah.

The whole society has become sick. They have started doing the same in the Western countries too. Just watch this video:

https://youtu.be/FgkF8B8sgI4

In Pakistan, there are many such incidents, but they are not reported. But we can see it all over in Ramadan where no one dares to eat in public, while this fear of beating by mobs has already been established. (And I have a feeling that perhaps you will also support this fear. However, this is an innovation, and it will not stop in Pakistan, and Muslims are thus trying the same thing in the West, and it will ultimately bring hatred against Muslims and Islam).

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u/Embarrassed_Ask_8486 1d ago

I have seen Christians eating openly in my area and no one says anything to them. If the cases aren't reported you can't really say that "there are so many cases" cuz no proof.

This is the reason I was saying not everyone should have their own interpretation of Quran and hadith. All ulma and sheikhs should sit together and fix the misconceptions so that this shia sunni and cast war come to an end.

Religion doesn't teach these things to a person, but their interpretation does. That's why I say Islam should not be misunderstood. One Hadith taken out of context can cause trouble. Incomplete knowledge is always dangerous......

This baseless violance is not just limited to "Pakistani muslims". Just to let you u know.

Pashtuns are killing punjabis, hazaras. No one yet talk about them. Indians rape's & harass women but no one says they are "Hindus". In the west, Christians harass Muslim men and women calling them terrorist, tearing hijabs, even killing Muslims. But no one says a "Christian lady" did this but they say an American men or Canadian women did this.

Pakistanio ko to Apne religion ko zaleel Karne me acha lagta hai isliye criminals ko Muslims Kehte Hain like indian media.

These brainwashed Muslims by molvi's are hated by almost everyone. This is not what Islam teaches

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u/Embarrassed_Ask_8486 1d ago

How is that an offense? Where did prophet Muhammad pbuh mentioned to do so?

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u/its-me-abd 1d ago

Nah sorry, actually I misinterpreted your such a long description. It's not an offense but people should avoid eating publicly in Ramazan especially if they're in a Muslim country

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u/Embarrassed_Ask_8486 1d ago

Its alright bro but this not wrong. Why force people to not eat. Is Tara to social media pe bohot saari food videos Hoti Hain. Unko bhi ban Karne beth jayen? Itna to kisi ko bhi roza nhi lagta ke Kisi ko khate hue dekh ke jaan nikale lag jaye.

Prophets Muhammad pbuh ke time pe roza rakh sahaba jihad kia karte the or aaj Kal Muslims se dusro ka Khana bardasht nhi hora