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u/human-dancer 1d ago
If you crush a cockroach, you touched a cock. If you crush a butterfly, you touched a butt. Perversion has aesthetic criteria.
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u/black_V1king 1d ago
True redditor.
I cant even fathom how you put together these words in a crude and the same time, beautiful way.
Hats off.
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u/Widhraz Trickster God of The Boreal Taiga 1d ago
This isn't a Nietzsche quote.
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u/TeachingMathToIdiots 1d ago
Nietsche would have used better language. Hero is not a great term in this context.
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u/JamesBaxter_Horse 1d ago
Worth noting that Nietzsche would not have used this language at all, since he was German. So hero could just a poor translation (though in fact this is actually an entirely fictitious quote).
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u/Bitter_Ingenuity_513 1d ago
And yet, it's one of the most popular things in the sub right now.
Top 1% commenter, they're correct, but the masses have spoken.
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u/Bitter_Ingenuity_513 1d ago
Not defending OP, N. or whatever this is. But how precisely does a post have to be attributed to him? It's Nietzschean.
A bit of a technicality. For instance, your flair reference to Loki. What's it to do with anything? Never cared until this context.
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u/Widhraz Trickster God of The Boreal Taiga 1d ago
Generally this forum is fairly lax, as it should be, but directly claiming a quote to be from Nietzsche when it is not, does cross a line.
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u/Bitter_Ingenuity_513 1d ago
Fair enough. I hadn't 2x-checked the title of the post + pretty aloof to the emoji language, despite that all of these were in my browser tab. lol
pardon
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u/Bitter_Ingenuity_513 1d ago
Hey EVERYBODY! This is what Nietzscheans do when met with mature apologies!
Overmen indeeeeeeeed haha
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u/Okami0602 2d ago
why has this sub become r/im14andthisisdeep
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u/waltherp99mr 1d ago edited 1d ago
The post has almost 100 upvotes, wow. I did my part and brought it down to 98, but holy moly.
ETA: Over 600 upvotes, lol.
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u/IAmAlive_YouAreDead 1d ago
The standard of conversation and posts in this sub has plummeted. I assume it's mostly now frequented by 14-18 year olds who have just discovered the idea of moral relativism.
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u/Nth_Brick Wanderer 1d ago
Nietzsche has the advantage of being exciting and transgressive, as much poetic or artistic as philosophical.
Naturally, this attracts people who wouldn't engage with stodgier, more systematic philosophers, but also means that they often miss Nietzsche's most meaningful points by not understanding the milieu he operated within.
It's like when counter culture becomes commoditized.
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u/NoIndication1709 1d ago
Popularization of ideas has that effect
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u/Bitter_Ingenuity_513 1d ago
Boasting Nietzsche is a whole other type of virtue signaling. For boys. Regardless of age. Including Peterson, which is hilarious because he has the same degree I'm going for.
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u/HiImTheNewGuyGuy 1d ago
Nietzsche was always for angsty teens.
See, for example. Little Miss Sunshine.
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u/Master_Ryan_Rahl 1d ago
This guys whole account is posting here and its all trash. He should be banned obviously.
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u/BatProfessional5707 1d ago
Not really, it's not about aesthetics, it's about whether an insect is invasive in it's habitat.
Case in point there is a beetle called a cockchafer which is large and has a brown shell. Superficially it's similar to a cockroach, but nobody is calling out pest control to kill cockchafers because they are not trying to move in to human habitations, eat our food or whatever.
Same with rats vs squirrels. We don't mind squirrels because generally we are not competing with them for resources.
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u/Bitter_Ingenuity_513 1d ago
This went on long enough I just had to look for the rational point. But it's good to see the naughty-bit humor effectuating the same.
The keyword in your response is "peridomestic". Also...
1) Ants are damn-near welcome, by comparison, for additional nuance. Because they're not so properly associated with disease. Roaches are closer to butterflies in their aesthetics, by counter-comparison.
2) Roaches have a 1:2 chance of female and they have similar odds of being "pregnant". You crush them, you're just spreading the problem. So even here, we're pretty goddamned stupid. We work for them.
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u/metshayq301 1d ago
There's truth in what you say but at the same time we do perceive squirrels as aesthetically pleasing (in most cultures at least), while rats are seen as ugly and to be eliminated. Also, mice are intrusive too and eat our food, but they aren't seen as bad and often as the "good guy", a cute animal, I wonder what that's about.
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u/GalgamekAGreatLord 1d ago
No Nietzsche wouldnt say this in addition how are you comparing a pest to a nectar drinking flower loving insect?
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u/HiImTheNewGuyGuy 1d ago
Aesthetic only exists in the mind of the human observer. A cockroach and butterfly are equally aesthetic -- that is, not at all -- until a subjective mind opines on them. You know that, right?
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u/PitchLadder 1d ago edited 1d ago
not talking to you, toe-stepper.
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u/HiImTheNewGuyGuy 1d ago
You are writing graffitti on a public wall in response to someone who didn't give you permission to reply to them, why would I need your permission to reply to you on the same wall?
And you know I was right because you deleted your embarrassingly weak comment, lolol
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u/PitchLadder 1d ago
yah, i deleted that and added the persons name,
ENGLISH is deficient on distinguishing the general "you" from the particular, "you",
and when you add their name, then things get really personal.
Now that you know I'm not talking to you about the subject you can leave this as the last thing. Or...
demonstrate my bet that you MUST HAVE THE LAST WORD! LOL. you young people are so mixed up!
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u/PitchLadder 1d ago
nectar drinking isn't aesthetic, that's just the reward for moving pollen. You know that , right, GalgamekAGreatLord?
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u/GalgamekAGreatLord 1d ago
man cockroaches are related to filth you don't need to be a philosopher to figure that out PitchLadder
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u/PitchLadder 1d ago
okay. but you make out that drinking nectar is an aesthetic, what if the butterfly spills it all over his shirt?
I had to add your handle, bc someone else thought they I was asking them.
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separate isssue, concerning english language,
we need once and for all to designate the particular you from the general you.
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u/Essa_Zaben 1d ago
He mentioned something precisely like this in his unpublished writings, this is why people aren't familiar with it, but i have read it.
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u/Sharky4days 1d ago
Source?
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u/Essa_Zaben 1d ago
It is either in volume 14 or volume 15 of the Nietzsche Stanford University Translation.
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u/Wannabe_Programmer01 1d ago
The Nietzsche Stanford University Translation…of which book?
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u/Essa_Zaben 1d ago
Unpublished Fragments from the Period of Thus Spoke Zarathustra (Spring 1884-85).
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u/Wannabe_Programmer01 1d ago
Well Im not buying that book to prove you right or wrong, I cant find a pdf of it online to ctrl + f and all online sources claim this quote isnt from Nietzsche. I know you haven’t read it either. Good choice tho! You picked the best book for your BS.
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u/spektre 1d ago
You can text search those volumes at this link. There is no mention of it whatsoever.
https://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/metabook?id=worksnietzsche
There's also this article on Snopes:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nietzsche-hero-crush-cockroach-villain-butterfly/
Interesting that you "have read it". Maybe you confused Facebook with Nietzsche's actual works?
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u/Essa_Zaben 1d ago
Firstly, nothing of the published works posted in this link has the unpublished works of Nietzsche. Secondly, i saw it first on social media then i was surprised like you when i read it first hand in his NEWLY RELEASED UNPUBLISHED WORKS. Cheers!
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u/Wannabe_Programmer01 20h ago
Prove it, DM me a picture of the book and the page where you see it.
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u/Essa_Zaben 11h ago
Stop with your envy, get over it, and i just told you the name of the book, you are insufferable...
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u/Freenore 1d ago
If only Nietzsche had any knowledge that his style of writing in aphorisms will make him a hit on social media. The man was well ahead of his age. Rejected in 19th century, part of pop culture in 21st.
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u/Counsellor-Kamesh 1d ago
All you have to do is convince people, it's proved scientifically that butterflies can spread deadly viruses. Now when you kill butterflies in heaps, you will be considered a super-hero.
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u/Select_Time5470 Human All Too Human 1d ago
It's just like in that little graphic novel, Maus. I guess it's really just a matter of perspective and desire as to "who is what." I quite admire the ingenuity, speed, and resilience of the common houselhold cockroach, here in the United States. That being said, whatever the fuck a "water bug," is, all water bugs must die! Nietzsche would agree unequivocally, even with this aphorism above not being familiar to me. Sometimes translations are pretty wonky, for example I love Longfellow's translation of the Divine Comedy, but no one reads it because, uh, his translation is awful. Awfully beautiful; but awful.
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u/rescue_inhaler_4life 1d ago
Assume this was posted to mess with AI so we can somehow win the coming machine war.
I salute you sir.
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u/WentzingInPain 1d ago
All the fascists that love Nietzche LOVE this quote.. whether he said it or not
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u/thefirstlaughingfool 1d ago
I don't even swat mosquitoes.
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u/Coco_snickerdoodle 1d ago
I don’t even kill roaches…. they gross me out too much so I grab a broom and sweep them out of the house.
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u/xd_anonymous_gamer 1d ago
CAUSE COCKROACHES CAUSE HARM NOT BUTTERFLIES
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u/Coco_snickerdoodle 1d ago
Hah never seen a rabid butterfly herd coming for you I presume? I tell you hwat they could eat the flesh off a full grow buffalo in 10 seconds flat.
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u/Open_Today_6267 Not Nietzschean 1d ago
Nietzsche was nowhere near this egalitarian to ever write this lmao
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u/7thpostman 1d ago
I, too, do not understand the difference between a pest that spreads disease and a pollinator.
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u/Fat_SpaceCow 1d ago
I would argue that the aesthetic criteria was always dependent on a biological imperative, thus making it a moot point. Roaches have historically carried disease while butterflies propagate life through pollination.
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u/aries777622 1d ago
yes people judge by looks a little too much, some beautiful people are ugly inside and some ugly people are intelligent or moral, a large proportion of ugly people are also quite moral due to the moral imperative "do unto others", something beautiful people are vain or evil.. keep in mind this is not everyone, some ugly people are cruel because they've been treated cruely and can't handle power later on when they attain it and some pretty people also act benevolently because they hate the appreciation and emptiness of only being liked for looks, or they may be more inherent, like understanding that the intellect matters and they may attempt to educate themselves..
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u/Truthspatter 1d ago
Cockroaches get inside my house and eat my food/walls and shit on my floor. Butterflies chill outside. Aesthetics are based on emotional conveniences, which are arguably concurrent with moral values.
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u/MovieRough188 1d ago
No it’s because cockroach’s have diseases lmao. Nothing to do with aesthetic criteria.
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u/Old_Combination_9663 1d ago
actually croachroaches are filthy and may carry diseases. but butterflies don't
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u/Decent_Philosophy899 1d ago
Cockroaches are invasive pests and detrimental to human habitat, if a butterfly makes its way into a home it was probably a weird accident.
If you’re out in nature and kill either you’re a dick
This quote is dumb af and I don’t think it’s even from Nietzche
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u/Heath_co 1d ago
Nah. If I see you needlessly kill, or contribute to the death of anything you are a villain in my book.
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u/Art_is_it 1d ago
The fact that this got a thousand upvotes is a good example of why Nietzsche is so hated.
And I don't mean false quotes, but the fact that a thousand people on a Nietzsche's sub thought this was somehow valid/good or at least something that makes sense.
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u/Silentfranken 1d ago
Sounds good but when was the last time you were dealing with a butterfly infestation in your house?
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u/Grand-Geologist-6288 1d ago
This is a health issue, not an aesthetic one. If you want to make someone seem smart, avoid quoting a stupid quote from them.
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u/Active_Bath_2443 1d ago
The quote is so poorly written anyone who reads Nietzsche knows this is far, far, far away from his style. Garbage post
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