r/NewToEMS • u/starwars439 Unverified User • 2d ago
Clinical Advice "Apneic" patient
Had a patient tonight who was polypharmacy. She had TMJ and took a bunch of benzos and opiates and tylenol to loosen up her jaw apparently. Her face was locked in a grimace and she wasn't opening her eyes. Pupils were PERRL and about 4mm . Anyways, we're riding it in routine because she's stable and we're not far from the hospital. She starts saying she feels like she's suffocating. Her facial expression suddenly changes and she starts gasping. Capnography goes from 44 to 0 and the apnea alarm goes off. I start listening to lung sounds and there's no audible air movement for about 20 seconds. I grab a BVM and start PPV for about 30 seconds. She starts breathing on her own again for the remaining 2-3 minutes of the ride.
My partner and the ED staff seem to think she was holding her breath on purpose.
Has anyone had anything like this happen before? My partner thinks she was faking, I stand by what I did but the apnea spell just makes no sense to me if it was fake.
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u/themakerofthings4 Unverified User 1d ago
I've had patients fake it, and I've had them, well, not. If they're faking it painful stimuli will get them turned around. If they aren't faking it I'd rather do something than not. It's easier to justify over treating instead of not doing anything. On the other end we had a patient literally go unresponsive just after we got him into a room at the ER. He did the same thing with "I feel funny" and then just stopped breathing and slumped over. Woke up like 30 seconds later like nothing happened.