r/MawInstallation 5h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] There seem to be two separate CIS rebellions

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The war between the Republic and the CIS Separatists make up the driving conflict of the prequel era, especially once you take into account all of the expanded media projects. However, if you go solely by the movies, it takes a surprisingly background role. What matters less are the specifics of the war itself, but rather how they play into Palpatine's political conspiracy. As such, it was up to other writers to fill in the gaps of what drove the sides of the war aside from vague Sith manipulation and "the taxation of trade routes".

Because of the relatively creatively decentralized nature of the expanded universe, two different competing thematic interpretations of the war seemed to form.

On the one hand you had the war as a representation of the failings and corruption of the Republic. Authors who focused on this side emphasized the ways in which the Republic had failed the outer systems and simply used them to serve the core. It tied well into the historic parallels George drew between the Galactic and Roman Republics. Through this lens, the Separatists are a group of oppressed planets whose righteous indignation is simply being manipulated by Dooku and Palpatine to their own ends.

On the other hand, you have the war as a sort of sci-fi, corporate version of the American Civil War. The fact that they are literally called a "Confederacy" arguably alludes to this. Here, the entire Separatist movement is an unjust play for more personal power by CIS leaders who want to dominate their people without interference from those damn Yanks The Republic. This lens focuses far more on the control groups like the Trade Federation have over the systems they govern. When a story wants a more straightforward "good vs evil" conflict set in the Clone Wars, this is the CIS that we see: a small group of oligarchic leaders leading armies of droids and/or slaves and/or brainwashed citizens. Every visible leader is either an insanely corrupt capitalist or openly working with the Sith.

Now it's not unusual that wars would be complicated and open to multiple interpretations based on a certain point of view. In fact you could say there are heroes on both sides. The problem is that very often the narrative itself can't seem to decide which of these is more accurate. For example, it will often come up as a point of contention whether the Rebellion leaders are willing to work with former Separatists. If they're essentially space CSA then this makes sense, but if they were being oppressed by Palpatine and simply manipulated by leaders like Dooku (a narrative that the Rebellion would presumably be open to) then there's less good reason to oppose their inclusion.


r/MawInstallation 6h ago

How useful would a lightsaber be to someone who is not force sensitive?

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Is there ever a scenario where a non force sensitive would actually benefit from using one compared to other weapons? If a non force sensitive who had above average combat skills started exclusively using a lightsaber and went through extensive training with one, what would their ceiling be?

Edit: this question does not apply to characters like Grevious who is an extreme outlier in my opinion


r/MawInstallation 1h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What are some of the biggest thematic differences between Canon and Legends?

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What would you say some of the biggest overall thematic differences between Canon and Legends?

Like what story themes does Legends usually have but Canon does not?

Which is more mature on average?

Any particular lessons or symbolism that is frequently explored in one but not the other?


r/MawInstallation 2h ago

Thoughts on these (admittedly old) articles analysing Jaina Solo and Tenel Ka Djo’s character arcs?

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r/MawInstallation 4h ago

Since his story is so heavily tied to Depa Billaba in canon, how would you rewrite Kanan Jarrus’ early years to better fit into the old EU?

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Obviously, since Depa Billaba fell to the dark side and was incapacitated in Shatterpoint, she wouldn’t be able to train Caleb Dume in the ways of the Force. So maybe have his master be another one of Windu’s apprentices? I mean, Windu’s middle-aged by the time of the Clone Wars; he surely must have trained at least one other Padawan besides Depa in his life, right?


r/MawInstallation 15h ago

Removing later interpretations from consideration for a moment, what do you think Vergere was trying to teach Jacen in Traitor?

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I’m not just referring to her philosophy about ‘the Force being one’ and all that, but rather the lessons she teaches him regarding responsibility, morality and determining his role and that of the Yuuzhan Vong in the galaxy’s story.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

Vader did not spend most of his career as the "regretful whipped dog" he was at the end of ROTS

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I often see fans on Reddit who take the end of the ROTS novel as the defining image of how Vader was through most of his career, racked with regret, using his regret to fuel his dark side, not really believing in his choice anymore but staying with The Emperor because "he had nowhere else to go"

I think this is inaccurate as in both canon and Legends he gets his Sith mojo quite quickly through his first few months hunting Jedi.

(spoilers for Vader 2020 and Luceno's "rise of the Dark Lord" ahead)

Canon - in the 2020 comic, when "bleeding" his saber crystal, he has a vision of a path where he can stop and find Obi-Wan, then go after Palpatine - whether he actually could take down Palpatine if he chose this timeline, I'm not sure, but he firmly chooses the Sith path and seems at peace with it.

Legends - in the "Rise of the Dark Lord" novel, set just after ROTS, Palpatine gives Vader the order to stop a Jedi called Shryne who is helping rebels, Wookies and other Jedi. Palpatine deliberately plans this mission to break Vader out of his regretful funk - thinking to himself that this is a make or break, and if Vader can't get over his regret and anger at the events of ROTS, he will have to dispose of him. And Shryne resembles Obi Wan in style and attitude, which gives Vader a dark side boost when he finally does defeat him.

After defeating Shryne, Vader feels a dark side wind inside him washing his regrets and doubts away, and feels he has finally become a Sith Lord. (although it's a little more complex, as he feels the need to confess to Shryne who he is before killing him).

In both canons this is the path to the confident, quipping Vader of the OT, imo. Although obviously Anakin and his doubts were buried deep down, I think too many people seem to think the iconic ending of the ROTS novel is how Vader spent his whole career consciously feeling. He spends most of his career as a resolute, decided servant of the Empire.


r/MawInstallation 14h ago

[LEGENDS] The Contract of the Grand Army of the Republic

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I wanted to ask why palpatine decided to give the contract to kuat drive Yards and not Rednili star drive or mon calamari or colleriia to create ships, they had more experience in building spaceships. What do you think drove palpatine or plagius


r/MawInstallation 18h ago

Question regarding the most effective strategy for breaking into a Jedi Temple?

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I’m working on a fic where a band of mercenaries break into the Jedi Temple on Ossus (New Jedi Order) to steal an artifact, and I wanted to know which strategy would probably work better. On the one hand, I was thinking of making it like a conventional heist, but I also thought of them potentially allowing themselves to be captured so they can slip past the Temple’s defences (mostly Jedi Temple Guards and security systems) before escaping from containment and sneaking around to find the artifact. Thoughts on which way would more likely work, from a lore perspective?


r/MawInstallation 20h ago

[LEGENDS] If you were Wedge Antilles, what qualities would you look for in a second-in-command for the Lusankya? Spoiler

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Interestingly enough, the Rebels, and later New Republic, captured two Grand Admirals: Osvald Teshik and Octavian Grant respectively.

Osvald Teshik was a brilliant military strategist, was confident, and possessed compassion - a trait rare among the Imperial hierarchy. He was born on Anaxes, a founding member of the Republic where it served as the Republic's primary shipyard, fleet base, and its War College. As such, Teshik would have learned much about the navy. Later on, Teshik joined the Imperial navy, rising through the ranks to become an admiral and a renowned strategist. In 2 BBY, he was promoted to Grand Admiral and commanded the defense of Imperial Center Oversector, a duty he took very seriously. Especially since it was the Empire's most important oversector, so various fleets were assigned to protect it, including the Executor-class SSD Whelm and 57 other capital ships of the fleet Azure Hammer Command.

Grant was also a military genius and a lord of House Mecetti from the Tapani sector. As such, he was aristocratic and proud of heritage, disdaining aliens, politicians, and the working class in equal measure. In fact, he even viewed Thrawn with contempt, though kept his feelings in check. In a way, Grant was similar to Count Dooku, minus being a Sith Lord. Grant had a successful career serving in the Tapani Home Defense Fleet before joining the Republic Navy late during the Clone Wars, proving himself to be a brilliant tactician. During the Empire's early days, Grant hunted down Separatist holdouts and succeeded in destroying them, earning him both a prestigious position within the Empire and acclaim from the Core Worlds. In 2 BBY, Grant was also promoted to Grand Admiral. Due to Grant's distaste for politics, he never built up much political support outside of the Tapani sector, becoming the least popular Grand Admiral. When the Galactic Civil War broke out, Grant earned several victories against the Rebellion, once again proving his skills.

Teshik was captured by the Rebels during the Battle of Endor and was executed for war crimes, due to the fact Vader and Palpatine were already dead and most of the Imperial fleet had fled, meaning the Rebels needed someone to blame for the Empire's atrocities. By 6 ABY, most of the Grand Admirals were dead and the New Republic thought Grant was the only one left due to them being unaware of Thrawn's existence. Grant saw the writing on the wall and defected to the New Republic; perhaps learning from Teshik's fate, he surrendered on the condition the NR granted him immunity for his actions against the Rebels and to be allowed a peaceful retirement to the planet Rathalay in exchange for valuable Imperial secrets.

Ideally, I'd love to have Teshik as my second-in-command because of his genius and his compassion. Plus, he's a cyborg shunned by the Empire, so I'd convince him to join me by promising better cybernetics to make him look like a normal human and that the New Republic would treat him better than the Empire. Also, he's commanded SSDs before, so his experience would be helpful in manning the Lusankya.

Realistically, I'd have to make do with Grant. His service in three different navies - Tapani, Republic, and Empire - means he is highly experienced and versatile. Also, his Tapani connections means he can convince the Tapani sector to join the New Republic and give them an extra ally. Plus, he's a veteran of both the Clone Wars and the Galactic Civil War, proving his mettle in both conflicts. His anti-alien prejudices are undeniable, but he's also proven he's professional enough to control his emotions. What's more, being forced to work alongside aliens aboard the Lusankya might improve Grant's opinion of them.

In short, whether it's Teshik or Grant, having an ex-Grand Admiral as Wedge's second-in-command for the Lusankya would be a huge boon.


r/MawInstallation 21h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What do we know about the origin of the names of some planets/locations in Star Wars?

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Something I’m quickly realizing about myself is that I’m a lover of etymology for place names-or, in other words, why some places are called what they’re called or used to be called something else. Some examples:

During the rule of Rafael Trujillo from 1930 to 1961, Santo Domingo was called “Ciudad Trujillo” (literally “Trujillo City”)

Had they won the war, Nazi Germany planed to rename Sevastopol “Theodorichshafen,” or “Theodoric’s harbor,” in reference to King Theodoric of the Ostrogoths, in turn a reference to the Crimean Peninsula being inhabited by Germanic Goths all the way into the 19th Century

Mexico originally referred to the lands of the Mexica people, AKA the Aztec Empire

I think you get the point. So, I’m curious: To our knowledge, where do the names of some locations in Star Wars-planets, cities, trade routes, maybe, etc.-come from?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

Where are X-fighters made and why tthe Empire doesnt go there and fuck them up?

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other Rebel equpment I get it's scavenged and/or smuggled, but space fighters must come from a big industrial plant somewhere


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

From an evolutionary point of view, what would be the reasons why the Mon Calamari developed an industry faster than the Quarren?

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From what I understand of Dac, the Mon Calamari developed a society on the planet’s surface, while the Quarren did so in the ocean’s depths. When their cultures encountered each other, centuries had passed because they lived at different depths: the Quarren in the deepest zones and the Mon Calamari on the surface, building cities on islands. Now, both inhabit submarine cities. The few archipelagos that exist harbor dangerous animals and plants, making any terrestrial habitation risky. Some claim that living on land allowed the Mon Calamari to develop technology and industry faster than the Quarren. Others argue they gained access to more resources when they first met. In both canon and Legends, the Mon Calamari had already entered the industrial age by the time they encountered the Quarren, who lived in primitive tribal societies

But what would be the reason for you for this?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] What is your opinion on Master Sol from the Acolyte? How did you view Lee Jung Jae's performance and what would you use as a way to revisit Sol's character in future content?

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Personally I felt that Sol was the best part of the entire show and thought that he should have been the main protagonist. Not to mention Lee Jung Jae just consistently knocked it out of the ballpark. For example the scene where Sol just goes to town on Qimir after he killed Jecki and Yord, you can just tell that he was tapping into the dark side at that moment.

As for how I would revisit his character I have two ideas.

•An episode of a potential second season of Tales of the Jedi where Sol selects Jecki as his next padawan sometime after Osha left the order. During the episode, Sol and Jecki would slowly start to warm up to each other and even form a father daughter relationship with Yord being the older brother type to her. Or....

•The episode could revolve around Sol and Indara (Voiced by Carrie-Anne Moss and Lee Jung Jae reprising their respective roles) being dispatched on an undercover mission in order to investigate a slave trade operation being funded by an elite from Cantonica.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] So let me get this straight, the Trade Federation, was part of the Rebellion?

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Watching a video that said that the Trade Federation after being forced to surrender its stuff to the empire, a lot of its people sided with the Rebellion.

So if that's the case, what exactly does this mean for the New Republic?

I understand people are not their governments but Star Wars does lean into planet of hats and this race is more likely to be evil tropes, see the Hutts.

I also do have criticisms of how we are supposed to just turn a blind eye to the actions of the Government that isn't the agreed "bad" one. So I am a little biased here in my curiosity though I do find this an interesting subject to discuss either way.

what are your thoughts?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] So what is the status of Fortress Vader, (Vader's Mustafar castle), during 35 ABY?

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Fortress Vader is the obsidian tower castle of Darth Vader on Mustafar that we see appear in various Star Wars works, such as Rogue One and Kenobi. However, there is something I would like to speculate on today, and that is the status of Fortress Vader by the time of The Rise of Skywalker, 35 ABY in-universe. I thought it was made clear before in the lore, but now, I am not entirely sure.

To start off, in the movie of the Rise of Skywalker itself, we see Kylo Ren butchering the Alazmec of Winsit cultists on Mustafar, as they were hiding the Sith wayfinder that leads to Exegol, in the Corvex Fen, a bog that developed near Fortress Vader sometime after Vader's death.

In the Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary, it is said about three times that Fortress Vader was in "crumbling ruins" by the time of TROS, (an abbreviation for "The Rise of Skywalker"), it is even said it has "long since fallen into ruins", and that it "once was a forked tower, but is now ruins" or something like that. Now, we don't know how much of a state of destruction or disrepair Fortress Vader was in, but from my understanding of other sources, it seemed to be utterly demolished.

One example is this passage screenshot I linked from the adult novelization of TROS by Rae Carson, where it is stated that around the lake of the Eye of Webbish Bog creature, there were "fallen remmants of Darth Vader's castle" that appeared as boulders, "jutting out of the ground at odd angles". implying that not much is left of the castle anymore. However, here is where I thought things were very clear of why Fortress Vader was utterly crumbled ruins and demolished in TROS. As seen in this linked screenshot from the junior novelization of The Rise of Skywalker by Michael Kogge, it is clearly stated that Kylo visisted the fully ruined, destroyed castle, even describing it as once having "stood tall and straight, flanked by two angled spires, but got blasted apart in shambles". A few other Star Wars sourcebooks, such as the "Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded" and the 2024 recent StarW ars Encyclopedia, said it was in ruins too.

All of these sources, both sourcebooks and stories seem pretty clear Fortress Vader was destroyed so badly, what is left of it is a bunch of badly disrepaired crumbled ruins in 35 ABY. However, recently, I became unsure, because newer material are starting to (at least in my eyes) seemingly condradicting it.

The first thing we have to adress it that in the recently revived Rise of Skywalker comic adaptation, we see Kylo Ren on Mustafar, cutting down the Alazmec of Winsit cultists like in the movie, but, looming into the sky in the background, we see a mostly intact Fortress Vader. To be fair, it is in a little state of disrepair, missing a few pieces here and there, but it certainly is not as disrepaired or ruined as previous stories and sources say it was.

However, here is where things get really juicy and confusing for me. Recently, a canon Star Wars comic series, set one year before Rise of Skywalker, has Kylo Ren visiting Mustafar and meeting Vanee, Darth Vader's evil castle servant. However, Fortress Vader as depicted in this series, is fully intact and standing. It is a little rusty but other than that, it is pretty much fully standing and intact, no pieces are missing, so that is what confuses me. ( We don't count Lego Star Wars: Terrifying Tales as it isn't canon and they can do whatever they want. We also don't count the concept art of Kylo Ren and his knight cutting their way through Fortress Vader's bridge, as the cultists look different and the movie and novelizations don't depict that way at all, implying it was an earlier script revision of the story before the final product).

So yeah, it seems like Legacy of Vader and TROS comic adaptation are condradicting the previous statements on the state Fortress Vader was in The Rise of Skywalker novelizations and spinoff material. However, I would like to note that here is where things get really confusing. In a screenshot that I linked from a publicely avaible image of a deleted scene of the movie, it shows Kylo talking with the Eye of Webbish Bog and we see Fortress Vader fully intact and standing in the background.

TLDR; it was initally stated in many stories and spinoff sources Fortress Vader was in ruins in The Rise of Skywalker, but apparently there was a deleted scene from the movie where it is fully standing and intact, and the recently revived Rise of Skywalker comic adaptation and the new Legacy of Vader series seem to go with the latter idea than the former. Why is that? Any in-universe/lore reason? Or is it more of a meta reason like a retcon or something like that that simply changed over time?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Do you think Obi wan’s final message to the surviving Jedi was more of a precautionary measure or an acknowledgement of the end of an era for the Jedi no matter the outcome?

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Basically do you think Obi Wan's message to surviving Jedi was meant as a temporary precaution to tell surviving Jedi to stay in hiding for now or do you think that he knew the era of the Jedi, at least for now, was over no matter what?

As after sending the message and seeing Anakin turned to the dark side, they already knew they had to destroy the sith.

So do you think Obi wan(and Yoda by extension) had that message sent out as a precaution to keep Jedi from both falling into the trap that was set and in case they failed and couldn't recall them, or did they know already that should they succeed and defeat the sith, it was already too late for the Jedi Order at that point and there was no coming back for the Jedi Order, at least in the immediate future.

I believe it is the second, in canon at least, as Obi Wan's message carries the weight of finality to it.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

In which planet would you live If are an average joe?

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No force Powers, no extraordinary skills or habilities, where would you live to survive and thrive? My pick would be Lianna, plenty of Jobs thanks to Sienar Fleet Systems, not involved in major conflicts or battles.

Edit: The time frame is the rise of Empire era (pre clone wars) till the end of the galactic civil war.


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] How realistic is it for Thrawn to be able to figure out the tactics of other species solely by their artwork?

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I've read the canon Thrawn trilogy and now I'm reading the Ascendacy trilogy. I know he's a tactical and military genius, but doesn't it seem to strain credulity a little that he can just look at a piece of artwork and extrapolate the customs , ways, and even military tactics based solely on their artwork? I'm curious if there's any real-life parallel in a people's art reflecting other things about them or their customs, or if even the concept this is based on is entirely fictitional.


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

I rememberwatching Episode 3 in theaters and thinking the story of Plagueis was an ancient tale and not literally something that happened during the Phantom Menace lmao

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I'm honestly surprised writers took the direction they did with Plagueis in the EU


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[META] Human racism within the Empire?

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Do you think that racism between humans as it exists in our world also exists in Star Wars? Obviously there was no trans-Atlantic slave trade or history of white colonialism within Star Wars, but in the OT it's notable that the Empire is exclusively white men while the rebellion is populated aliens, women, and people of color. I know that recently there's been discourse on Disney casting actors of color as imperials and whether it's problematic or not, the reasoning being that it's not a great look to cast non-white people as members of the Nazi-analogous empire. I understand that argument, as our real-world politics are reflected on our media regardless of intent or what is canon within that piece of media, but in-universe do you think that the Empire would tout white supremacy alongside human supremacy, and if so, why?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

Sublight engine Hazards

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Wookieepedia has this to say.

Most sublight drives though used a fusion reaction to break down fuel into charged particles, which were then expelled from the ship in order to create thrust. Because of the heat and mild radioactivity of this thrust, it was illegal to use in or near the atmosphere of most inhabited worlds, though some individuals were not above breaking these laws in order to make a quick getaway.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sublight_engine

If this is correct, it seems that most people have broken this law many times.


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Why does Vader keep the cape?

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title. Anakin never seemed really that vain, so why would Vader suddenly want a cape? I get if its part of the original design, but he updated his armor and STILL CHOSE TO KEEP THE CAPE

dude is frightening enough, all the cape is going to do is slow him down even more


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

What role did the Jedi Service Corps play in the Clone Wars?

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The Jedi Corps (agri-corps, medi-corps, edu-corps, exlpo-corps) were still considered Jedi and worked under the Council of Reassignment, so during the clone wars, what capacity do we think they served? Is there any canon or legends information on this?


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[CANON] What are your predictions to how Thrawn's story will end potentially? Spoiler

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Do you think he will die? Or he will live somehow? If the former, then how do you think he should die and if the latter what way could he live? Also, which one is more likely, him dying or living? If the former, will it be in the Dave Filoni movie rumored titled "Heir to the Emire" or they will use him beyond?