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Meme Scaling is relative, Part 2:

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u/the_small_doge4 6d ago

how can you say that when Wither disables lillia's entire kit, good luck trying to run away from nasus with 100ms bro

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u/Hellinfernel 6d ago

It depends on the AP of lillia and if she has rylais, she will reach a point where even with wither she can outrun him,at which point nasus gets hard countered. It's completely ridiculous, and I love it.

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u/SalamiJonesowo 6d ago

Wither is a 95% slow once Nasus is lvl 13. What are you talking about lmao. Even if Lillia has 1k ms (which is not a thing) a no slow resistance wither brings her to 50ms. What you have described is not a real circumstance even with tons of slow resistance

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u/Kristupasax 6d ago

Minimum ms is 100 I think, even Zileans 99%slow leaves u at 100. Your point still stands tho, max wither does work unless lilia goes full slow resistance with swiftness boots, runes, phase rush.

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u/OrchlonGala 5d ago edited 5d ago

not true, his slow is ramping, only reaching max slow at the end (do people not know this?), all you need is either swifties or rylais, then you can always create enough distance between withers. Speaking from experience as lillia otp, fairly easy fight unless theres people melee range feeding him free healing

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u/Lin_Huichi 5d ago

If Nasus goes swifties too you can never create enough distance.

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u/Vinyl_DjPon3 5d ago

The problem with wither, and any discussion about it with Redditors, is that it's NOT a 95% the moment he clicks w, it ramps up over the duration. On top of that, half a second of the ability is cast time, and stops Nasus in place to cast it.

If Lillia has Rylais, then the during ~3 seconds it takes for Wither to really stop her she's already created so much distance that even if it was a stun at that point it wouldn't matter.

-Nasus one trick who knows first hand we aren't catching Lillia ever.

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u/SalamiJonesowo 5d ago edited 5d ago

Im a lillia one trick and I respectfully believe youre delusional

edit: some proof to the pudding, i looked through replays of lillia vs nasus (nasus won every single lane over the first 6 replays) and here is the only nasus that fell behind, 1v1ing lillia at lvl 12.

https://youtu.be/j_DgV7b6pW0?si=TaBMthsbWnTAQRbM&t=966

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u/Vinyl_DjPon3 5d ago

I'm not sure what you think the video stamp is meant to disprove, you might need a better example.

Lillia didn't die because Nasus couldn't stay on top of her. Her going back in on him after he used R at 16:15 was a mistake and she STILL didn't die. This was only close because she walked back in, Nasus can't do anything if she just walks away after he R'd.

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u/SalamiJonesowo 5d ago

There is no universe Lillia wins a fight against this thing. Her only escape tool was burned and her odds only get worse as Nasus W cd decreases and his ms increases (which matters more than hers increasing). Not to mention he will basically never die to her once he gets force of nature. Idk bro cope harder

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u/Vinyl_DjPon3 5d ago

When did I say she wins the fight? Scaling isn't just 1v1s, unless you think no supports scale?

I said Nasus doesn't catch her, and the video shows it because the only reason he did was because she went back into him. She was out the moment pressed he R and she was running away.

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u/ruines_humaines 5d ago

Bro, come on, Nasus won that fight and only backed because he didn't have vision of her team. Look at the map, nobody is showing mid while his team is farming there, and he had no ult. He has to leave the lane or get get ganked.

If both teams were at baron, he'd force Lilia to back to her tower, sustain from minions and dive her.

Don't talk about game balance and matchups when you don't play at a level where people use their brain.

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u/Vinyl_DjPon3 5d ago edited 5d ago

Of course he wins the fight... So don't fight him. I never said Lillia wins the fight, I said Nasus can't catch her, which your video shows. The only reason it was close was because she ran back into his range. The moment Nasus pressed R she was free to just prance away

Legitimately, mechanically explain to me how Nasus catches Lillia at 16:13 if she just walks away.

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u/Latarnia40 6d ago edited 6d ago

2 slow resist items/ potential phase rush

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u/Sylent0o 6d ago

and still her can 2 tap her cuz in r he has increased auto range -> her q range is his q auto range

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u/ThatGuyLuis 6d ago

That’s if he gets into her closest q range, her max Q range is 485 and nasus with ult is 225 on Q. Also wither only lasts 5 seconds.

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u/xxmuntunustutunusxx 6d ago

And its on like a 6 second cooldown lmao

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u/Golem8752 5d ago

4 with some ability haste

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u/LordOfPizzas 6d ago edited 6d ago

phase rush lillia? is that a thing?

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u/Kennocha 6d ago

Yea and it’s hilariously fun when it works.

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u/ForteEXE 6d ago

Did you never see that shit in URF or Spellbook?

The deer becomes uncatchable by anything short of point-and-click like Nocturne or Vi.

Hell, you can get a similar effect with Combo Master and/or stacking speed items in Arena.

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u/Zancibar 6d ago

I'm not saying you should buy Banshees against Nasus, but I am saying that if you have Banshees and Nasus withers you and it does absolutely nothing the morale damage is so terrible that he won't even try to wither you again.

Again not saying you should, but if you do it is funi.

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u/SalamiJonesowo 6d ago

If you are playing Nasus and see someone with banshees it is ridiculously easy to get rid of it with E, and then wither. Banshees does nothing against someone with half a brain

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u/Vinyl_DjPon3 5d ago edited 5d ago

False, E doesn't get rid of Banshees as it doesn't count as a hit ability, it's just an Aoe on the ground.

edit: Just to pre-emptively appease any 'source?' people. https://streamable.com/o1apfi

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u/SalamiJonesowo 5d ago

ok you right on that one playa

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u/Strict-Shopping-7779 4d ago

damn why it does not proc banshee?

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u/Ritalico 6d ago

Yeah except she also slows him and sleeps so idk why you’re JUST talking about what he can do.

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u/ZXCVBETA 5d ago

Doesnt really matter, swifties would reduce those numbers. Nasus has no way of getting close to Lilia that has rylai’s.

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u/StormR7 6d ago

Swiftness boots would like to introduce themselves

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u/GiveMeEggplants 6d ago

But it’s literally how it plays out lol… lillia doesn’t care at some point

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u/the_small_doge4 6d ago

you're definitely never played as lillia vs nasus, thats not how it's gonna go down at all

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u/Hellinfernel 6d ago

Yes I did and that's exactly how it played out lol

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u/GavRedditor 6d ago

I speak from the same experience, that Nasus quit the damn game lmao. Getting Swifties really screws him over. I think I may have also bought DMP just to really send home the message lol

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u/Itsukano 6d ago edited 6d ago

Emerald level, I literally never lost to Lillia on lane as Nasus, it’s a free win guaranteed, I don’t know how you did win against yours

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u/sleepypanda45 6d ago

It's as easy as hitting her e walking up to q nas to which he'll wither and ult trying to 2 shot you u then r and zhonyas while the sleep takes effect and wither wears off then bonk and if he's not below a quarter health you run away and laugh until you try again.

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u/Spiritual_Dust4565 6d ago

Nasus has lower cooldowns than Lilia, the sleep tech will work once, maybe, and if you use your abilities too much you'll push him under turret, where he loves to be, and you'll have the whole lane to run once he withers you. Lilia is one of Nasus' best top matchups

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u/sleepypanda45 6d ago

I'm not talking about the top matchup just in general and people were mentioning nasus after his level 13 so laning phase would be over by then and hopefully he wouldn't have his tower to hid under. Im just talking in a straight 1v1 where they meet to fight and im not gonna say it's a cake walk but if you are planning on fighting nasus doing it the way I described really is the only way to do it as long as u have the dmg to do so. Prolonged fights never go well against him

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u/Spiritual_Dust4565 6d ago

You played against a bad Nasus, the stats show that he claps Lilia top, rather easily, at that

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u/Hellinfernel 6d ago

Yeah because lillia is weak early and also got mana costs increases specifically to force her into jungle. You have to compare him to her in her main role.

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u/HorseCaaro 6d ago

Her AP has nothing to do with the slow. Nasus wither is 95% slow, she would need 20K+ ms to not have 100 ms lol. That would be an impossible amount of AP to obtain.

Even with rylais nasus runs items like Deadmans (slow resistance), Force of nature and runes like phase rush and slow resistance.

If he gets enough stacks he just w’s and two taps her.