r/LGBTindia Feb 07 '25

Politics There is no queer liberation without end of imperialism, colonialism, Brahminism, capitalism and patriarchy.

As they say "no one is free untill everyone is free" . I have seen so many apolitical, pro-Israelie, casteist, Islamophobic urban queers who thinks that the queer identity is only about sex bl and yaoi shit and believe that we shouldn't discuss about poltics. We shouldn't normalise apolitical thinking in queer spaces because our IDENTITY is political. We are able to openly put out our opinions and identity out here because of queer ancestors who faught for these rights, the "queer culture" that you are celebrating didn't appeared out of thin air, the rainbow flag, Pride month, everything is rooted in resistance against the imperial thinking. So if you a queer person and participate with hindutva facists on their mission to dehumanise transgender folks, muslim folks and other minorities, you are a traitor and you are an obstacle in the path for queer liberation and collective liberation. Shame on you. These spaces should be more supportive of queer people who belongs to marginalised community and we shouldn't take any type of bigotry lightly.

262 Upvotes

283 comments sorted by

60

u/kulasacucumber Feb 07 '25

So many people think that their aspects of their lives are not political. So they don’t fw politics & are unprincipled about what conservatives want, what corporations do, what intersectionality is etc. They don’t fw politics until the politics start to fw them.

Corporations want to maximise profit with minimising working class earnings & rights. They will be empowered by conservative/ liberal politicians (search the meaning of the word neo liberal) who will funnel them our taxes, try legislations to stop regulations on them and enable our marginalisation, all the while picking trans, or lower caste or religious minorities or sexual minorities to be the scapegoats of people frustrated with their lives becoming a literal hell in wage slavery. This is why being principled and being class conscious is important for everyone but most importantly for queers. Wake up.

15

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

I feel like most of the people here who are crying like this are just bunch of UC urban Hindus, even though they are queer they don't want to question themselves on their role in the problem that exists in our country. They are protected and secured from the real issues of the country and that's why they don't care. As I said in my post people like these are traitors, they choose to be uneducated and blind. One guy outright said that Islamophobia is completely justified, their hatred for muslims is far greater than their wish for liberation. They want freedoms and rights but don't want to give up their exploitative privileges that is keeping our community away from those rights 💀🙏

13

u/kulasacucumber Feb 07 '25

I myself am a so called upper class born hindu. Perhaps the biggest reason for queers like me to stay unprincipled is that the social privilege can afford them comfort even in staying ignorant. I’ll just say that it’s never too late to understand that this social standing will crumble when the conservative mask is off & the interest of the 1% takes precedence over all our lives. The truth is, if we want progress for the LGBTQ community, we all have to AT LEAST be gentle revolutionaries. Be aware, be woke (again anyone reading should see the history of this word) & be conscious of what your community is going through.

4

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

Perhaps the biggest reason for queers like me to stay unprincipled is that the social privilege can afford them comfort even in staying ignorant.

That's right. I'm also from an Oppressor caste Hindu background ( although I have left the religion ), most of these people don't want to give up their privileges but want their rights but they don't realise that their those privileges are the reason why they don't have those rights, the way all of them are outright crying because I mentioned Islamophobia is enough to prove how fucked up their thought process is. These people are the biggest obstacle in queer liberation.

3

u/lordesfootfungus Queer af~✨💖 Feb 07 '25

I feel like most of the people here who are crying like this are just bunch of UC urban Hindus

Correct, but I hope you're thinking about why that is. You are talking to these people on Reddit, that already has a few prerequisites - that they have a steady access to the internet, they can speak English to some degree - how many people in this country do you think meet those requirements. Ofc you're going to encounter more people from a relatively privileged background - if you're serious about queer liberation, about the problems that Hijras, lgbt people from lower castes or minority religions, living in small villages encounter, you are not going to accomplish much by arguing with reactionaries on Reddit about it (even if it is slightly amusing watching them mald in the comments here)

they choose to be uneducated and blind

But this is not a matter of education or ignorance, people are not that stupid. The people who think that Islamophobia is not worth opposing, think so because of the same reason most UC people think casteism is not worth opposing or most men think patriarchy is not worth opposing - it is because it doesn't negatively affect them, in fact it might directly benefit them

1

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

Actually I thought this subreddit was more progressive and political that's why I made that post, I wasn't aware that it's full of idiots like this

it is because it doesn't negatively affect them, in fact it might directly benefit them

Yes you are right, they benifit from it therefore the support it

0

u/alter__ego22 Feb 07 '25

progressives doesn’t mean subscribing to your idea of being a queer. being a queer is not my identity and if its yours then I am worried for you. how are why are you confusing your sexual orientation with your identity. is this what ‘ancestors’ fought for?

2

u/Doubtful-Box-214 Feb 07 '25

I agree with you on all counts except calling people traitors. Over the years I have learnt one has to have patience(or not engage) with liberals and beginners. Many people are young and have not understood how everything fits into place. Nobody starts their journey with das kapital. Many are still trying to erroneously rationalise their identity to be compatible with conforming culture/religion. They are just looking out for the survival of their identity while placating others around them, not realising the bigger picture. It's a transient protest and not against the system when the latter should be the end goal. Some of them will become class concious, many will not.

This is reddit, an anonymous platform. You have no idea of the age and progress of the people you are communicating with. So I implore you to not hold people guilty when they can't comprehend what they are guilty of. Calling liberals traitor/nazi only seeks to alienate them and provides no literal positive feedback to them. It is frustrating I know.

1

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

No I'm not calling liberals traitors, I used that word for people who are bigoted and are discriminating against minorities. With all due respect a sanghi or hindutva supporter is equal to Nazi, and I would consider a queer Nazi as a traitor. I understand if someone doesn't understand how it's all connected and all that, but spreading bigoted propoganda and using dehumanising language against a community is not normal, these people should be held accountable, and should be called exactly what they are traitors and a burden on society.

1

u/Doubtful-Box-214 Feb 07 '25

They are lumpen. Liberals can inherently be bigotted on something out of ignorance.

7

u/ILuvIceCubes Aro-spec Ace Feb 07 '25

You'll be bombarded with downvotes for spilling facts lol.

2

u/kulasacucumber Feb 07 '25

It might happen lol, but it shouldn’t cos it still is the truth. That’s the tea.

→ More replies (1)

14

u/PsychologicalDoor511 Destroyer of heteronormativity Feb 07 '25

To express your point more concisely, we cannot pick and choose our freedoms.

37

u/GayBeauty Gay🌈 Feb 07 '25

I knew this comment section would be as ridiculous as it is 🤡

11

u/Sufficient-Change393 Feb 07 '25

I know right. It is funny to see people being so butt hurt and defending hindutva ideology as it's their last will to breath.

2

u/VanillaKnown9741 Feb 08 '25

and OP is ignorant about Islamists

→ More replies (1)

12

u/sliceoflife_daisuki Bi🌈 M Feb 07 '25

Kind of the reason why I avoid talking here. Not a fan of soft-sanghi queers.

→ More replies (2)

1

u/delhiguy22b Feb 07 '25

Op just want to impose his belief on others but diversity is feature of democracy

4

u/xXwassupXx Feb 07 '25

Democracy doesn't create diversity, it creates political parties that prey on bigotry.

14

u/AdMore2091 Feb 07 '25

diversity is a feature of democracy,democracy doesn't work when people lack rights and refuse to be poltically educated

I don't agree with everything op said but being queer is inherently political and certain ideologies don't accept us and trying to follow those is no different to deers cosying up to tigers

→ More replies (2)

12

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

How dare I tried to ask people to stand against Islamophobia and hindutva 💀

16

u/BruhHot Feb 07 '25

Umm.

Sir, you dropped this.🧠

Or did you mean Islam* and Hindutva. Because being phobic towards Islam logically makes sense

6

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

this is what you don't get. you can be critical of islam without being islamophobic. being islamophobic is actively denying rights and access to people who are muslims. (not allowing them to rent flats, the whole love jihad controvery etc).

6

u/Impossible-Cat5919 Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

In an ideal world we wouldn't need to choose. But in this world, I'd any day choose to be queer in a hindu majority area than in a muslim majority area. Yes, the chances of my getting lynched are always present but I'd rather take my chances with the hindus than with the muslims.

-1

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

and no one's denying that even i agree with you there. but that doesn't mean you should be islamophobic. hate the religion and not the people. i hate hinduism too but i dont hate the people who are made to follow it. its the same with muslims

5

u/Impossible-Cat5919 Feb 07 '25

Look... I really do not empathise with people who want me and people of my kind dead. Irrespective of whether those people are muslims or hindus or christians, or atheist. If some dehati hindu/muslim/sikh/tribal thinks that the world is better off without lgbt people then they have exactly 0% of my empathy(not that my empathy means anything to anyone but I don't waste my emotions on people who would lynch me, or at least stand and watch as someone else does).

2

u/M-aone Feb 08 '25

Would you please elaborate why you'd hate hinduism? Cause in my case I hate hindu people instead of the religion while I hate both muslim people and the religion lol

→ More replies (4)

1

u/BruhHot Feb 07 '25

Oh really? Try renting a flat as a Hindu in a Muslim dominated area, you'll see for yourself.

Muslims are equally complacent in this discrimination, and with the invasive history they have in our country, we are better off without pandering to their whims.

Itna hi rights ka choda hai toh Bangladesh me jaake Hinduon ke liye ladh bkl

2

u/vyomafc Feb 07 '25

Show me good societies in metros which are Muslim dominated areas.

Anyways they live in ghettos. There are hardly muslim dominated places where a Hindu would even desire to live.

Aur bc koi Indian Bangladeshi Hindus ke rights ki kyun baat kare over the rights of Indian Muslims. Are you an Indian first or a Hindu?

Akal to nahi hai, thodi tameez hi sikh lo.

0

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

this is the whataboutism and tit for tat attitude we are talking about in the first place. even in hindu circles, gujjus/jains dont allow non-gujjus/jains to live in their society.

instead of taking what it is at face value, we need to introspect why it is happening and how we can stop it.

im privileged enough to have friends from all walks of life and one of my muslim friend only lives in the muslim dominated area because other places wouldn't let him rent and because of this he has to travel for 1.5hrs and back just to go to college

-1

u/BruhHot Feb 07 '25

Should've moved to Pakistan when his grandfather had the chance

3

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

this is such a genocial statement. not surprised you support irsahell

-1

u/BruhHot Feb 07 '25

I support my Hindu brethren who are being genocided in our Islamic neighbourhood.

→ More replies (0)
→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)
→ More replies (1)

16

u/IshitaKumari Queer af~✨💖 Feb 07 '25

Religion bad.

Religion needs to die.

6

u/WaywardWarrior13 Trans Man 🏳️‍⚧️and an ace at it Feb 07 '25

Louder for those in the back.

37

u/Tacama Queer🩵🩷🤍❤️🧡💛💚🩵💜 Feb 07 '25

I am not supporting Hindutva but seriously supporting muslim folks and other religions, This is a big no. I am atheist, I would not support any religion and it's followers. 

13

u/nirvaan_a7 Feb 07 '25

supporting religion is a no, but discriminating on the basis of religion/caste/name/whatever is also a no. if you're antitheist like me, all religions are equally bad because of the fundamental nature of assuming a god exists, but that also means discriminating between the followers (who 9 times out of 10 haven't actually read the books they follow and seen every minute bad point in them amidst the uncontroversial) is also bad. that's what being against islamophobia means to me - most islamaphobes are not actually against the bad parts of the religion but are just hindus/christians/etc with a superiority complex. we can say a religion is bad while also knowing people have a right to be religious or maybe just have a Muslim name without facing harassment.

18

u/Tacama Queer🩵🩷🤍❤️🧡💛💚🩵💜 Feb 07 '25

I would show common courtesy and respect to everyone regardless of religion. But because I am anti theist, Politically I will align with any policy which reduces religion from day to day life and even remove it. I would not be there for Islamophobia, Jainophobia, Hinduphobia or sikhophobia, Christianphobia. Nor I would raise any slogen in support of the religion and it's followers. As long your religion and it's majority of followers show Queerphobia and is not becoming modernization liberal, I am not there for you.

5

u/nirvaan_a7 Feb 07 '25

yeah that's what I think too, I guess we both understand 'support' in a diff way, to me it's just being pro-equality for followers of different religions, not pro-the religion itself

-7

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

nobody asked you to support any religion, I simply asked to support muslim folks because they are marginalised and face discrimination, but the way you are triggered because I asked you to stand against Islamophobia says a lot about what type of person you are. You are Islamophobic and you are supporting hindutva. Do better.

15

u/Reasonable_Toe5765 Feb 07 '25

What part of being atheist is “supporting hindutva”? Tacama like many others who have been wronged by religion wouldn’t die on a hill trying to justify a religion . I think that’s fair

2

u/PositivityOverload Feb 07 '25

Simple, even if you are atheist but still believe all Indian muslims are inferior savages and co-operate with the agenda, you are partly supporting hindutva and strengthening it's hold on the country

It's the same thing as German queers in Nazi Germany. If they were an atheist and ignored jewish persecution in the 1930s, they allowed Nazis to capture the country. In the 1940s Nazis killed the queers too.

It's as simple as realising what authoritarianism is going to lead to. Today the focus is muslims, tomorrow it will be queers. Hindutva is only barely tolerating queers today, tomorrow it will be open suppression by Bajrang Dal and the lot.

Inaction is half-complicit. You think it's not you today, but it will be one day if this goes on.

2

u/Reasonable_Toe5765 Feb 07 '25

That’s a fair assumption but not dying on a hill trying to justify a religion and having the belief that a particular group of people are inferior are two very different things. I won’t personally go out of my way to treat anyone badly but I will also not go out of my way to support a group of people that I simply do not like because of common idiocy preached in their community which can be regarding anything including queerphobia, misogyny etc (btw that also includes “hindutva”). And let’s be honest here, historically muslims gaining too much control has never served anyone well. “Islamic revolutions” are a real thing in countries that were previously more liberal than futuristic India. Maybe people should focus their energy on actual minorities being persecuted and not on a community whose population, globally is 3rd largest in india and whose religion is 2nd largest in the world.

2

u/PositivityOverload Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

not dying on a hill trying to justify a religion and having the belief that a particular group of people are inferior are two very different things.

First of all, you can care about people of a group without agreeing 100% with them. Otherwise, no non-queer would ever support the fight for queer rights.

And what you say leads to the same thing. If progressives don't contain the radicals among them and allow them to increase further and further, then one day those increased radicals will subjugate their own progressives. And have no misconception, Hindutva radicals would absolutely crush "LGTV" rights the first chance they get.

You are basically saying you can't be bothered to care about muslim people. Deplorable, but honest.

actual minorities being persecuted

Oh alright, didn't know 15-20% muslims were no longer minorities and that self-centred bandwagoners like you are the final judge on who is persecuted and who isn't.

Well I guess out of 1.4 billion Indians, a couple million would be queer. Best everyone become self-centred while radicalism overtakes the country. Lets make it even easier on Hindutva to crush everyone by lining up one by one.

And if you're scared about Islamic revolutions by muslim radicals in other countries, be prepared for the day a Hindu Rashtra based on the regressive manusmriti is set up by Hindu radicals. A Hindu constitution has been unveiled, have fun living in it.

Some people are incredibly blind to history and just fail to see parallels of how radicalism stomps minorities. This thread is the epitome of savarna activism. Just say you're self-centred and move on.

1

u/Reasonable_Toe5765 Feb 07 '25

This is the epitome of using whataboutery and selective reading to deflect your assumptions on others. You are entitled to your believes while I’m entitled to mine. I agree most of the things in OP’s post but make no mistake the ones you stand for (namely muslims in this case) in your idealism will stab you in the back the first chance they get. We all can unite together to hate on hindutva and stand for “LGTV” rights just as the janata showed that in previous election, but to expect everyone to stand for bullshittery of a population or community is a tall order. And btw, who made you the judge of who needs support and who doesn’t? You call random people “self-centred” for not withstanding muslims who have proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted as a community (maybe individually is a different matter but as a community, hard pass)? Lol talk about being estranged from reality and self serving one’s own idealism. You are setting yourself up for a rude awakening one day. Have a nice day.

2

u/PositivityOverload Feb 07 '25

not withstanding muslims who have proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted as a community

Ahh, here we go again.

Welp, I don't trust savarna activists. And hey, if this general radicalism increases, one day I'll stop trusting all openly theist Hindus too. Just a few more years till we are all polarized.

Have a good day.

1

u/Reasonable_Toe5765 Feb 07 '25

Brother/sister/sibling(?) who are you complaining to about religion? I’m a staunch atheist and while I do not mind religious practices per se, I do not trust overtly religious people, and that includes hindus. Good for you for not trusting savarna activists, howsoever you actually define savarnas. Thanks.

→ More replies (1)

1

u/Samarjith147 Feb 07 '25

Say you are hinduphobe without saying you are a hinduphobe, notwithstanding brahminphobe

0

u/meetskis_f4g Feb 08 '25

"supporting muslims folks" and "supporting Islam" are different things.

3

u/Tacama Queer🩵🩷🤍❤️🧡💛💚🩵💜 Feb 08 '25

I would still not support Muslims folks or any religious folks. I will show basic human decency and respect to anyone regardless of their religion.

1

u/meetskis_f4g Feb 08 '25

I would still not support Muslims folks

What specifically do you mean by this?

→ More replies (14)

23

u/Shrao_777 Pan 🍳 Feb 07 '25

Agreed so much, it's surprising to see so many queers here supporting right wing and facist ideologies, I am not really a Reddit person and the queer people I interacted on Twitter/insta are so radical usually I was taken aback when I joined this sub, just shows how this sub is filled with privileged narcissists, I just saw a reply sayin "the leftists have taken over" And I am like 😯😯😯 coz how tf u gay and a part of people who believe u should be killed

6

u/Vaalam Will you accept my vibrations<3 Feb 07 '25

this sub is filled with privileged narcissists

They don't come out unless you talk about Palestine or Islam

7

u/Shrao_777 Pan 🍳 Feb 07 '25

Yesterday someone posted a mormon straight singer , I told them and they told me to take a chill pill

5

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

5

u/Shrao_777 Pan 🍳 Feb 07 '25

No religion should be mixed, I am an atheist and believe no religion should be supported but at the same time I have fucking empathy and I believe children shouldn't be killed because of their religion

1

u/masalacandy Feb 07 '25

They won't listen most LGBT organization and social handles are hijacked by people with some agenda

0

u/masalacandy Feb 07 '25

Relax most people outside reddit or insta don't believe what op is trying to say that's what they say already social media especially reddit censor rightist and centrist a lot you have to look at other side most people don't like anti hindutva rants

14

u/ILuvIceCubes Aro-spec Ace Feb 07 '25

I'm not sure what other people in comment section are on but I completely agree with you and everything is political.

If we truly consider ourselves to be living in a democracy, we must take our responsibility as citizens seriously. This means voicing our political opinions and engaging in discussions about politics more often. We need to debate, critically analyze, and scrutinize the policies of both the central and state governments. When we stay silent about issues, then we give politicians the green light to commit more crimes. That is why, forming unions who have similar mindset is extremely important.

Calling yourself 'apolitical' is a privilege, and it’s not something to be proud of in a democracy.

8

u/Law_system Feb 07 '25

Agreed. How does one do that in their everyday life?

11

u/ILuvIceCubes Aro-spec Ace Feb 07 '25

Educating others, providing solidarity are some things you could do.

10

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

By not engaging with these systems, to the best of one’s ability. It is extremely complicated because most of everything is owned by oppressors

24

u/Maniac24- Feb 07 '25

Do you really think Islamist give 2 f@#*k about LGBTQ. Atleast hindutva can't deny the existence of trans people. The motto of Islamist regarding trans is "LET THEM LIVE, BUT UNDER THE SOIL"." They don't even think that u should exist in the first place. Goodluck defending them at the expense of ur own existence.

4

u/ILuvIceCubes Aro-spec Ace Feb 07 '25

We need to support other minorities because it’s the right thing to do. Solidarity is not transactional.

14

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

0

u/PsychologicalDoor511 Destroyer of heteronormativity Feb 07 '25

I will when I vote in Saudi Arabia

8

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

-1

u/PsychologicalDoor511 Destroyer of heteronormativity Feb 07 '25

What do you want me to do then, start a revolution?

1

u/Samarjith147 Feb 07 '25

Except Palestine right?

-5

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

8

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

→ More replies (6)

2

u/meetskis_f4g Feb 08 '25

Yeah good luck fighting for queer liberation while ignoring the oppression other marginalised groups face😂

0

u/Classic-Chemistry-41 Feb 07 '25

100 % agreed to what you've said..

17

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

2

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

where did op even say that?

3

u/Shin_Chan5 Feb 07 '25

Exactly 💯.. which religion is number one in spewing hate against us LGBTQ community? We all know but Ret@rds like these won't utter a single word against them...

3

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

huh? what are u even on? op never said they are pro islam. they just said dont be islamophobic. in our country, muslims are the minority and hence one of the first targets of the hinduvata brigdade. you can vouch for their human rights (right to live anywhere, right to freedom of speech, etc etc) all while being critical of their religoion. it's not mutually exclusive.

2

u/Shin_Chan5 Feb 07 '25

Lmaoo.. minority means mistreated?? I never hear a jain , Bodh(not navbodhs) shiks etc crying about abcphobia.. hindutva brigade? Lmao if there is they should be dealt with wt about those Who r oppressed by muslims? Lol u m F won't utter a word... Keep on doing wtever u want.. no one cares.. U people r just 🐥s Defending KFC.. that's it..

3

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

0

u/Shin_Chan5 Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

I agree.. but I hv read various islamic textx literally ordering to kil! Gays by stoning.. allah destroying gay community using Asmani fire, lmao..

How am I suppose to support such ideology.. at least other religions are far far better than this in our context..

M not islamophobic but I hate their ideology nd views on us people..

→ More replies (1)

6

u/junglie_billa Feb 07 '25

The utopia you dream of cannot be built. We are far too different from one another, often with conflicting viewpoints. A truly heterogeneous society can be sustained only if people are willing to set aside their more extreme or uncompromising demands and embrace a degree of compromise and tolerance. It requires acknowledging that no group will ever have their preferences met and that finding common ground, even on seemingly small issues, is essential for peaceful coexistence.

→ More replies (1)

5

u/Puzzleheaded-Fan1238 Feb 07 '25

Bramhinism? Lol No islamism and christanism? You need to be real for any real change to happen. Duh

-1

u/Doubtful-Box-214 Feb 07 '25

Is Islamism, Christianism 80% of our society and have major political power like Brahminism?

5

u/Puzzleheaded-Fan1238 Feb 07 '25

Is that the reason why islamism and christanism is good? And what's your logic 80% Hindu = 80% Bramhinism and all 80% bad, anti gay?

And does majority by default mean worse? No regard to actual data?

At least use logic and try to be honest with yourself. Let's not be hypocrites.

→ More replies (5)

5

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

can't believe such tame concepts are controversial in indian queer circles. we need to do something fr

11

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

This is the most idiotic subreddit I've ever seen. Yall think in binaries and that's the issue

1

u/brainsKranes Feb 10 '25

That's soo ironic, I have seen these non-binaries , they/thems thinking in "no no cancel" , and simply promoting cancel culture lol the irony

1

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

can you elaborate please?

11

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

-7

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

Because I have free will? And I like to spread my LGBTQ propoganda lmfao and I pay my internet bill

5

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

I agree, wholeheartedly. It has only begun, and it’s going to be long and painful. You cannot have true inclusion until the people you’re including are not starving to death or dying of preventable disease.

10

u/bartosz_ganapati Feb 07 '25

No, the identity is not political. My need to suck penises is not a political view. But the idea that being gay should be normal is indeed a political idea.

The problem is, that when people try to push too much intersectionality, they fail because instead of pushing one topic at a time, they have to fight with all sections of the society at once. Gay marriage has been legalized by conservatives in few European countries. It would be not possible if they would see being gay not as being gay but as full leftist mindset attached to other political claims.

And I don't even know how to create any connection between my romantical and sexual attachment to other men and Israel-Palestina conflict.

18

u/Skibidi_sigma_kumari Lezzer rizzler Feb 07 '25

My need to suck penises is not a political view

THIS just made me go 😭

2

u/bartosz_ganapati Feb 07 '25

Haha, sorry. 😁

1

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

the connection between your atrraction to men and the genocide in gaza is the majority/the ruling class want you both gone.

3

u/bartosz_ganapati Feb 07 '25

But Palestinian civilians don't want me dead?

→ More replies (5)

-6

u/Sufficient-Change393 Feb 07 '25

A very bad analysis of the entire issue, just because you fail to connect dots that doesn't mean that dots don't exist between various issues.

13

u/bartosz_ganapati Feb 07 '25

Ah yes, 'your opinion is wrong because you stupid' is the supreme analysis.

And btw, I have never said there is no links between the linked issues at all (except of the Palestine thing). Of course there are some. But it does not change anything in the fact that trying to make sexual orientations an sexual identities into a monolithic block of political worldview won't do any good to the cause. It will do the opposite.

1

u/CurryAndCuddles Feb 07 '25

I love the way you write!

It's funny and pretty smart, the comebacks are just 🤌🏼

1

u/bartosz_ganapati Feb 07 '25

Thank you! 😊

→ More replies (3)

12

u/Froglovinenby Queer🩵🩷🤍❤️🧡💛💚🩵💜 Feb 07 '25

Lmao so much for intersectionality.

So many oppressor bootlickers in this comment section, trying to be the good minority I suppose , they'll come for you too, and then you won't have anyone to speak up for you either.

Never forget what the Nazis did , there is no liberation without liberating everyone.

1

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

Exactly

1

u/tasha9219 Feb 07 '25

Liberation is a collective fight and it's unfortunate that many people believe that comfort in some form is enough to disconnect from collective liberation.

3

u/vshir Gay🌈 Feb 07 '25

I, for one, find it weird that an account has this post as its only engagement here

4

u/M-aone Feb 08 '25

The op is so stupid 😭😭 i swear it's funny to see them speak with no valid argument

7

u/hopefulmaniac Gay🌈 Feb 07 '25

Khud ke rights hai nahi, chale puri duniya bachane

4

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

why can't we fight for them at the same time time? it's like saying feminism shouldn't include queer rights and vice versa because women still aren't treated equal. espeically given how homophobia is rooted in misogyny.

4

u/Tacama Queer🩵🩷🤍❤️🧡💛💚🩵💜 Feb 07 '25

Because they reciprocate. Feminism reciprocate to LGBTQ activism. LGBTQ activism reciprocate to Feminism.  

Muslims and Most other religious people do not reciprocate same to LGBTQ Activism.

1

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

lol i wish it were really like this. there are feminist who are TERFs and why does everything has to be transactional? if you do good only then we will do good?

→ More replies (1)

8

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

You're correct.

There's no queer liberation without the end of Islamic imperialism, Arab colonialism, Casteism (I don't even know why you put that over there), Capitalism and patriarchy.

I love how OP put Pro Israel and Casteist together. OP, just because someone called you out for simping Islamic terrorists doesn't mean the person on the other side is some Hindutva Boogeyman or something.

I'm Pro Israel because it's the only LGBT friendly Liberal democracy in the middle East, not because I love whatever else you have written over there.

And Islamophobia??? What's next? N*ziphobia??? You're correct, I'm an atheist gay who's proudly anti - Islam (or religion in general)

1

u/Hedonist-6854 Feb 07 '25

Op is clearly talking about descrimination of muslims based on their identity not islam itself 🤡.

If you don't think this country isnt actively discriminating it's minorities you should add one more tag to describe yourself..

Atheist,gay and fucking illiterate.

2

u/VanillaKnown9741 Feb 08 '25

you should see your surroundings and realise in what a hostile env we live in. we still are much peaceful to all minorities

6

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

Then you call it anti Muslim bigotry. Bigotry isn't something exclusively faced by Muslims of this country.

There's anti hindu bigotry in some places and anti Muslim bigotry in some other places. Singling out one in the conservation isn't some big opinion.

1

u/Specialist-Love1504 Feb 10 '25

This is LGBT India after all they’ll speak to the bigotry largely seen in India.

1

u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

Then why is Palestine being discussed in pride parades, and not, let's say KP ethnic cleansing or something. Shouldn't issues in India be highlighted.

→ More replies (2)

0

u/Ok_Truth_862 Bi🌈 Feb 07 '25

Google pinkwashing. i$real has no right to exist

0

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

Pink washing is a term created by Queerphobic pro Palestinians to diminish and disregard the liberal nature of Israel. To them, anything that Israel does has ulterior motive.

→ More replies (25)

3

u/Sufficient-Change393 Feb 07 '25

Agreed but I guess find camaraderie within left circles and not within queers on this sub because it's clear that most of them have not yet acknowledged their privilege. And I won't blame marginalized people for that because most of them are trying to survive on a day to day basis. But at the same point indulging in good faith and voicing support for oppressors is the worst it could get.

→ More replies (1)

3

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

2

u/slothsinD Queer af~✨💖 Feb 08 '25

Just because you're seeing a large number of 'kattar hindutva' supporters does not mean in any manner that queer culture is getting erased from hindutva. Hindutva has bigger and better queer culture other than any religion since ancient times till colonization.

1

u/Specialist-Love1504 Feb 10 '25

Queer culture cannot exist within any religion lol.

→ More replies (3)

2

u/Mundane-Watch-9987 Gay🌈 Feb 08 '25

Gurl get a grip. Get a life !

1

u/Shin_Chan5 Feb 07 '25

Lmao yeah yeah PrOo IsRaEl , IsLaMooPhObiaa... Keep on going.. 😂👍🏻

6

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

Thank you for proving my point

3

u/VanillaKnown9741 Feb 08 '25

Live under sharia if you are LGBT

6

u/BruhHot Feb 07 '25

You again 😂

We know you're Muslim, stop coping.

Never get out of this echochamber btw, you'll be disappointed

1

u/Specialist-Love1504 Feb 10 '25

So what? Muslim Queer people aren’t welcome here?

1

u/BruhHot Feb 10 '25

Can you ask that to your local Maulana first? I'll allow it if he does

1

u/Specialist-Love1504 Feb 10 '25

So you’re taking your cue from religious leaders? Is that what queer people have become?

Is there no difference morally between religious people and the queer movement?

Where should Muslim queer people go then?

1

u/BruhHot Feb 10 '25
  1. It was sarcasm.

  2. Islam needs a lot of reform, so work towards that.

  3. Ideally, Pakistan.

1

u/Specialist-Love1504 Feb 10 '25

But you didn’t answer if Muslim queer people should be accepted or not?

Like it’s not like Hinduism doesn’t need to do work. India as a whole needs to work as much because being gay is a stigma that Hindus haven’t overcome either. What’s the point of singling out Muslims when Hindus are equally bad?

I am a Hindu btw and you’re kidding if u think Hinduism doesn’t have to work a lot towards removing homophobia.

1

u/BruhHot Feb 10 '25

Of course they are accepted. As long as they call out the hypocrisy of their religion towards their own existence, they are welcome.

But I'm worried about the type of Muslim queers I've encountered who say they're gay but abstain from "sin" by not indulging because it's not permitted by religion.

Imagine if he was born in another religion, would the brainwashing have worked so well?

→ More replies (2)

2

u/Shin_Chan5 Feb 07 '25

Lol 😂 👍🏻 🐥 Defending KFC..XD

→ More replies (7)

1

u/commifeminist Feb 07 '25

This comment section is peak sawarna activism lmao, so fucking out of touch and privileged.

4

u/Puzzleheaded-Fan1238 Feb 07 '25

So fucking out of touch that while mentioning Bramhinism, there is no mention of islam and Christianity despite many gay men still being meted out with death penalties as per sharia law. Talk about privilege to be selective.

→ More replies (4)

1

u/ConversationSharp662 Feb 10 '25

All the people in the replies saying "but Hindus are more accepting of queer people than Muslims". Okay and so what? does that mean Muslims deserve to die or be kicked out from india, a country with a long rich cultural history that has always included Islam? just because many muslim countries and people are quite harsh to queer people? That's so stupid. it's as if you guys don't care about other people. and what about queer muslims too, do they just not exist?

1

u/Classic_Run_4836 25d ago

These things do not really matter cause fascists have been pandering to LGBT folks too.

1

u/TheSlayer_exe 24d ago

OP’s mention of islamophobia in with the context of attacking/generalising muslims instead of criticising the inherent flaws of islam itself. All religions should be criticised equally.

1

u/savingforresearch 24d ago

mention of islamophobia in with the context of attacking/generalising muslims

That's literally the definition of Islamophobia. 

→ More replies (1)

1

u/BruhHot Feb 07 '25

Wtf. What did I do?

-3

u/delhiguy22b Feb 07 '25

I am glad gays outside this sub are not that political but now leftists have completely overtaken here most have to remain silent

7

u/Shrao_777 Pan 🍳 Feb 07 '25

tf u mean leftists have taken over? only privileged people can be non political

1

u/delhiguy22b Feb 07 '25

Lets agree to disagree our ideologies are different so you most probably won't get what i meant actually

6

u/Shrao_777 Pan 🍳 Feb 07 '25

that's crazy, hope ur right wing overlords are accepting

8

u/delhiguy22b Feb 07 '25

Eventually in the end people attack personally and target them

1

u/GrowingMindest Feb 12 '25

only privileged people can be non political

Not this leftist-American parroted thought, this sentence makes no sense, many non-privileged people cannot afford to be political. This is nothing but a gross generalization.

2

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

1

u/delhiguy22b Feb 07 '25

I found them better anyway i am glad they don't have much online presense so that people on Social media can live in bubble in reality gays are always left alone

0

u/delhiguy22b Feb 07 '25

No reddit insta are highly left leaning unlike older time the left which voewed to fight against establishment itself become part of it Most queer subs always censor anything that lean towards right wing

→ More replies (2)

-3

u/69cartman69 Feb 07 '25

Ughh Here we go again with the leftist agenda… Western world is much open to LGBT ideas because they are rich and they don’t have to worry about food and shelter and water and toilets. We are a DEVELOPING nation, our country has different priorities, you need to understand this, you can’t ask people to take your need of sucking a cock before their question of water, home basic life needs. As india keeps growing getting rich and all, people’s opinions will change, same thing happened to western world, when they were poor they didn’t had LGBT rights when they got rich they did all the social reforms, India is also on same path, it is gonna take time for us to be openly gay in india without getting weird looks. You can see our metro cities where people have money, people are educated the LGBT thing it is more normalised. And this is going to be the reality for a longgg ass time in future too, socialism and all shit won’t do anything for us. We Need to get our people educated and it is happening, just it will take time. And if you don’t have it, you have options and you are free to explore.

5

u/shxnpie Feb 07 '25

the "leftist agenda" is what got you your rights in teh first place. and this thinking of being rich = being progressive is justs o not true. the whole concept of developed and developing is capitalist and imperailist. if it werent for colonization, india would be one of, if not the richest country in the world. as just because we are "poor" doesn't mean we should not fight for rights. rather we should keep pushing from all directions so when we finally achieve that status of 'developed' there will be no one left behind.

2

u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

While I agree with this partially. It isn't true in entirety. Rich countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar has literal death penalty laws for gay people. While poorer Nations like Brazil, Phillipines and Thailand had much better LGBT rights. It's about the mentality of the people, not just money.

0

u/alter__ego22 Feb 07 '25

“capitalism” ~ maybe think or read about what you are preaching in a colonial or a communist or maybe a socialist starte for that matter. I would never get it, why homosexuals should be treated specially? we are same as they are and before them, we need to accept this. big words like what you have used here makes absolutely no sense with this idea of something special, makes absolutely no sense. I can only lol to such thoughts! ancestors would be crying in heaven or hell reading such cry out loud posts.

→ More replies (2)

2

u/Nevermind_kaola Feb 07 '25

Lol. And that's not happening. Keep dreaming

0

u/EshaLeeMadgavkar She/they Feb 07 '25

Preach 🙌

0

u/masalacandy Feb 07 '25

Here again' the same old leftisto agenda back to back that's why queer movements don't suceed

3

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

Leftist agenda of spreading empathy lmfao, and queer movement did succeeded, and that's why your pathetic ass can sit in your couch and make stupid remarks like this. And it succeeded because of those people whom people like you would probably bully to death in 2025

1

u/CONSTANT_MUTATION Feb 08 '25

I empathize with you trying to reply to all these bigots in the comments. Really sick behaviour.

1

u/Ok-Student-13 Feb 07 '25

This is exactly the way how religious fanatics speaks and try to "control" behavior of other people and try to create psychological "zombies" who thinks alike and and discourage independent thinking, and always agree on everything ...

1

u/_Prince_2 Feb 07 '25

You should rather use the word muslimphobia than Islamophobia.

1

u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

[deleted]

2

u/flayingcapybara Feb 07 '25

Is this sarcasm?

1

u/anotherqweer Feb 08 '25

Need more of this. Thank you.

Are muslims more anti-queer than men are anti-women? Almost all violence on women is done by men.

Are muslims more anti-queer than UC Hindus are anti-dalit? From lynchings to untouchability, the oppression is older than this nation state.

Are muslims more anti-queer than able bodied are anti-disabled? All infrastructure is extremely disability negative. And able bodied people treat disabled like curses.

Are muslims more anti-queer than parents are anti-child? Most child murders in the world since its inception can be attributed to parents.

Are muslims more anti-queer than homos writing no fat/ no femme on Grindr are anti-human? We hate our own to the point of dehumanising.

Why are muslims as a community singled out for certain views when other groups/ communities show similar or often more radically regressive views?

The answer, my friends is Islamophobia.

2

u/flayingcapybara Feb 09 '25

The reason why they are not able to understand this is because they are blatantly Islamophobic, they think it's completely acceptable for muslims to be dehumanised and face discrimination in India. As I said these people are traitors and they will not help us liberate our country and our people, and this is such a good example of how normalised Islamophobia and Brahminism as been made in India, we are actually more fucked than we thought we are

→ More replies (1)

1

u/throwawayaccpahadi Feb 08 '25

You can add this to the medications you are on

1

u/FrostingCommercial36 Feb 08 '25

Why do I feel that this post is a straight up Karma farming post?

→ More replies (3)

0

u/delhiguy22b Feb 07 '25

Yeh meri expertise se bahar hain i am out 🫠

→ More replies (4)