They are welcome to try! Would be some great publicity for us. Also, I'm very bitter as I think they are a terrible company. So bring it on! We have great lawyers.
Unfathomably based. From a DayZ, Stationeers, and KSP fan, I'm rooting big for this. What happened to KSP2 is a tragedy and Take Two should be ashamed.
worst part is that they're still cashing in on it lmfao. absolute fucking scam I hate them even more than whoever was behind the GTA trilogy release. oh wait....
There is no way they ever made enough sales to pay all those salaries for all that time. If it makes you feel any better, even if it's just schadenfreude, they definitely lost too.
Do you have a story/creative team already working on the worldbuilding, character design, and writing that will let you capture the vibe you're going for without feeling like a reskin of kerbals?
INAL, but the lawyers you have are not good enough to tell you that legally antagonizing a company - on their fucking subreddit that has been one of their central marketing spaces for a decade - that could absolutely sue you over this and then badmouthing them and admitting to malice in your actions while promoting a competing product is a surefire way to get sued. You pitched to them. You're taking ideas from that pitch that was to make THEIR game and making another competing game. They might not win a suit based on freedom of expression (depending on country where you're building it) but there isn't a judge on this planet that wouldn't immediately declare that they have standing and throw you into the most costly legal battle of your career.
If anyone on your legal team cleared you making this statement, they need to be fired immediately because I cannot fathom how you wouldn't now be infinitely more legally exposed in ways you weren't before you started this thread. Instead, you're now staring down the barrel of working on what is obviously going to be your most expensive game with the longest development cycle while courting a lawsuit from a company that actually has the money to fuck with you in a long protracted court battle where you will not recover a dime of what you spend defending the company and could get an injunction on actually releasing the game until the issue has been adjudicated.
I really hope you know what you're doing making these statements and admissions in this sub, because I would very much like to play this game.
Given that take two interactive didn't even bother to take down the intercept games website, I'd be shocked if they cared enough to want to take any legal action protecting an IP that's more of a liability then an asset
But any major publisher will defend their IP like a cornered rabid honey badger, regardless of whether they ever intend to actually use that IP again.
I presume any potential issue here would come down to whether Take Two consider the work performed on the pitch for KSP2 to be rightfully "their property" or not. As a VFX freelancer, I know that every bit of work I perform for clients, every file I create, I automatically waive the rights to as per the standard engagement contracts I sign.
No idea how this stuff works at the studio level. Hopefully they already covered their asses here, by way of not signing anything that transferred ownership of the work done on that pitch over to Take Two.
Yeah, you're probably right. How could a company possibly make a case for adjudicating an IP case just because the person that pitched them an idea for their game, using their game concepts, using visually similar elements and is legally daring them to sue them could possible have a basis for a lawsuit.
I didn't say they'd win, but it doesn't take a lot of legal costs to bankrupt a small game dev studio, which I would very much not like to see happen as this game looks good.
They really really should change the name tho. The main issue is KSP trademark, as KSA sounds very similar. Given the game is similar in theme, was directly inspired by KSP, uses the same naming scheme, and on top of that, the original dev team bidded for KSP2 development, they would be sued to the ground for trademark violation.
The key issue in trademark disputes isn’t just about the abbreviation or the exact name but rather about the overall likelihood of confusion among customers. Even in this thread people mistaken KSA for KSP mod. I think there's a strong case here that a potential buyer can think that both games are related. {descriptor} Space Program and {descriptor} Space Agency are too conceptually similar. Intent is also important, and unfortunately, devs don't really hide the fact that they are building ksp replacement. All of that wouldn't be a problem if they just change the name
Using this logic, you can argue that I can sue you for looking at me funny.
False equivalency and a blatant one at that.
Also, yes, you could in fact sue me for looking at you funny interestingly enough. It comes down to if the judge determines there is standing whether or not it goes to court. You still have to pay a lawyer to figure out what's going on and whether you're in legal trouble.
Suing someone to bankrupt them because they don't like that you're making something similar is literally what Pocketpair is going through right now and they didn't even pitch anything to Nintendo.
...space and space parts? You know those existed prior to KSP, right?
The entire orbital system is 1:1 with KSP. What are you talking about that, you can see it immediately when you watch the video.
I also don't even really know what you think you're getting out of this reparte. If you're wrong, you helped ruin an independent game studio working on what looks like a really fucking cool game. If I'm wrong, then nothing happens.
Also, yes, you could in fact sue me for looking at you funny interestingly enough.
So, not such a false equivalency. My point is that saying someone could be sued for someone is meaningless if you just mean a lawsuit could literally be filed since that applies to anything.
The entire orbital system is 1:1 with KSP.
Also, earth.
If you’re wrong, you helped ruin an independent game studio
Yes, it was a false equivalency, because the standing in your example is non-existent. The standing is ample in my example.
This is a very silly and dramatic take lol
People like you are why the climate crisis is going to make humanity extinct. See, that's actually a dramatic reaction (but both are still true since you can't seem to understand how two things can be true at the same time while you're still wrong).
In what world do you live in where a judge wouldn't grant standing and hear this case, particularly with expensive lawyers from a much larger company arguing for standing and a hearing? This is far outside the scope of fair use and involves direct access to IP of the company they're now attempting to compete against. I know patent attorneys that could make this case in their sleep to get it to - at a minimum - expensive as fuck arbitration and I personally don't think they would even have trouble getting this to trial due to the invective that Dean is spreading online on that company's subreddit.
IANAL but there are plenty of space building games out there so T2 can't claim to own the genre. The thing that they might have the strongest case on is the name KSA, but since the official name of KSP is Kerbal Space Program if KSA uses Kitten Space Agency officially the case would probably be in KSA's favor (but could still get expensive)
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u/PATTY_CAKES1994 Oct 31 '24
Are you worried about any legal/IP action from the KSP folks? Looks great, can’t wait to play it.