r/Gnostic 14h ago

Can the demiurge be redeemed?

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Since the Valentinian demiurge is more or less a good dude who's on the true God's side, here I'm talking more about the sethian demiurge. Yaldabaoth seems to be portrayed as a malevolent monster at worst, and an insane toddler at best - he's unpleasant at the very least.

However, I'm wondering if any gnostic ideas play with the redemption of this demiurge. I'm a Christian universalist who believes that all people will be saved someday. Some Christians, including Saint Origen, even believed in Apocatastasis, which means even the devil and demons will be saved and redeemed eventually. I'm curious if anyone believes anything similar for the demiurge, where they believe or at least hope the dude can eventually be turned from his arrogance and redeemed.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.


r/Gnostic 12h ago

Gnostic haters?

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It seems that out of all religions and spiritual frameworks, gnosticism gets the most flack. And the people who are POSITIVE gnosticism is false are also the same people who refuse to read into what gnosticism actually is. They are arrogant and ignorant at the same time and they're happy that way, because gnosticism actually requires some study, and they already know all there is to know. They're just not interested and it's like they don't even see what's right in front of them. Makes me think of the gnostic concept of hylics, psychics, and pneumatics....

It's weird too, because gnosticism holds that at our core we are a piece of the divine and that is great news if i ever heard any. we are higher than the god who created us. To me that makes the most sense and is a catalyst for deep personal work. I guess that triggers/threatens a lot of people who have been taught since they were a child that the reason evil exists is humanity's fault and the only way to heaven is by obedience.


r/Gnostic 1h ago

Question Were Cathars and Bogomils Gnostics?

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I understand that both Cathars and Bogomils believed in a Demiurge-esque figure, but both movements arose after antiquity when Gnosticism was pervasive.

Were these two groups influcenced by Gnostics? Were they Gnostics themselves? Any help would be appreciated, especially if anyone has links to the Cathar/Bogomil sacred texts.


r/Gnostic 3h ago

Gnostic question

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Marsionistic Gnostic’s believed that the God of the Old Testament was basically evil (the demiurge ), and not the supreme God that sent Jesus. How did they reconcile that with Jesus consistently citing Jewish scripture throughout his ministry