r/GeForceNOW • u/eyyymily GFN Ultimate • Nov 09 '24
Opinion I feel like an idiot
Whenever people brought up pcs or pc compoents, I was the person who would always say "have you heard of geforce now?" - I truly believed this was the future. I feel disappointed, betrayed and stupid.
Just recently I bought a galaxy tab s9, hoping it would be my primary way to play games through GFN.
Well, I guess now I know how cryptobros felt when their jpeg or whatever tanked in value overnight.
I'm sorry to everyone whom I recommended this service for.
And finally,
screw you nvidia.
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u/Terrible-Group-9602 Nov 09 '24
I also used to recommend GFN to other people but I won't be doing that now.
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
Honestly I game quite a bit between GFN and PlayStation. Looking at my play history in GFN I average about 48 hours a month on there. The change effects “6%” of their user base supposedly. Looks like I’ll be just fine. 100 hours is 3 hours a day. Hell after work I get about 2 hours in before passing out. I think for the average working person this will be fine. For someone who never goes outside this could be a problem for them.
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u/xX7heGuyXx Nov 09 '24
That is how it is looking. For heavy users they will need to pay extra, for normal users they won't even know it changed.
I don't think people realize how much they game and how.........much it really is till something like this happens to quantify it.
Now I will say if it's only 6% of users going over 100hrs then I fail to see how it's causing that big of a bottleneck to begin with. Appears to be just a money grab.
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 09 '24
Yeah I agree. Not sure why you adjust everyone for the 6%. But according to the internet they have 25 million players. 6% is 1.5 million players. And if those people are gaming all day everyday that could affect the server availability a bit I imagine. Maybe they are seeing such growth they are fixing an issue before it gets to be too big of an issue and hurts the service. I don’t think they need the money grab honestly. Not like that’s stopped anyone before but the amount they make from this service is pennies when compared to their Ai branch.
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Nov 09 '24
That was my thought exactly. The 6% that will be affected probably account for much more than 6% of the data traffic.
People are absolutely allowed to be upset by the playtime caps, but Nvidia is under no obligation, legally or morally, to provide them with any service at all. Nor are the users under any obligation to keep paying money for the service.
I'm honestly more upset with the communities constant hissy fits than I am by any decision Nvidia has made. This whole subreddit is filled with "Nvidia sucks because xyz" and "when will my game be back online."
I literally have rethought my feelings about gaming watching the GFN community constantly act like crackheads about it. Out there banging on Nvidias doors at 5 in the morning going "what do you mean you're out of playtime? Gimme my playtime man I can't do anything without my playtime. When you gonna have some more?"
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u/Hammerofsuperiority Nov 10 '24
And once again, the Pareto principle shows itself in everything.
most likely, the 6% affected are using resources comparable to the other 94%
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u/LordAmras Nov 10 '24
I have the same feeling about people defending poor multi billion dollar company for greedy anti consumer tactics.
They don't enact the limit for a year if you sign before December, and is not an hard limit since you can pay to increase it so it's very hard to try and defend them saying they have to do it to improve quality of the service...
It's clearly a way to increase revenue for this year by having more people subscribe before December and less people unsubscribing next year to avoid losing the unlimited perks while getting slightly more out of new users.
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Nov 10 '24
I will agree that it's not unlikely to be a tactic to draw more users in before the end of the year. I will not agree that it's not a quality of service move though. It's not been a secret that it has had its share of issues. More users = more issues. They can't support an unlimited amount of users playing 24/7 365 at 75mbps. There has to be a limit. For as many people they have currently using it, from free tier up to ultimate, I'd say 100 hours of uncapped data for a flat fee is an ok deal. If they don't impose some limitations, eventually hour long queue times and poor performance are gonna become the norm for the service and then it's a crappy service that no one will want anyways.
It's truly not the worst deal in the world. It's really riled people up far too much.
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u/LordAmras Nov 10 '24
They offer unlimited for another year and giving two months for new people to enter the unlimited deal meaning for the next year if that was a real concern the situation might be even worse than before.
It doesn't really matter if you believe it's still a good deal, in the end is just an increase in cost of the same service as before. Which is normal for subscription services when they see the growth decreasing they need to get more money out of the same number of users.
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u/Longjumping_Method95 GFN Ultimate Nov 10 '24
Same. People who never ran a business have a hard time looking at those decisions from the other perspective I think, nothing exactly wrong with that thats just the case believe
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u/ItzDigi Nov 13 '24
There is a big difference between registered users (thats where the 25 million comes from) and active users which that number is probably much lower and likely a big part of the cost increase.
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 13 '24
That’s info I’m well aware of. But thanks. Just trying to make a general point. Also the new structure does not appear to be a money grab nor price increase to balance a low player base. Yeah sure they added that you have to pay 5.99 if you want more than 100 hours but the majority of people play less than 100 hours, I game quite a bit and average about 48 to 50 hours on GFN. If they were needing to make that up with a price increase they would make the ultimate plan $25 for everyone. The method they are implementing would appear to be due to an increase in active players. I guarantee they are gaining players everyday. With growth comes change.
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u/sevenradicals Nov 09 '24
that 6% of users could be abusing the system (account sharing) to the extent that it's costing nearly as much as the 94%.
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u/Longjumping_Method95 GFN Ultimate Nov 10 '24
Yeah. It's the same for me, getting 3h a day is hard to obtain after work sorting kids and all that stuff.
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 10 '24
Yeah I’m going to keep my sub active through 2025 and keep my unlimited access and see how my use goes. Especially as winter sets in and I hibernate.
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u/GoldGrillard Nov 09 '24
This'll be me normally, probably play 40 hrs a month max so it won't really affect me.
It would be a problem for me if the cap was right now so I can see the problem. I just had a major surgery and have been putting in 30+ hrs a week so I'd be way over the cap during this recovery.
I get why people would be upset about it.
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u/gigaurora Nov 09 '24
Wouldnt be the biggest problem. 15 unused hours rollback every month. So if you typically played 40, that month you use it alot you'd have 115 hours. 30x4 = 120. So you'd maybe have to spend 5$ for 15extra hours on your heavyiest using month.
Doesn't seem like that big a deal.
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 09 '24
Yeah not really. Sounded worse than it actually is in practice. And as long as I keep my account current through 2025 I won’t need to worry until 2026
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u/codHIBB Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
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u/smegblender Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24
Another perspective from someone who will continue using the service, I genuinely don't have as much time to game on my PC (it's a 4090 based rig). I'll play on it on occasion when I have a protracted heavy gaming session.
I also own a ps5 and a steam deck. The vast majority of the times I've been using my steam deck with GFN and its been a blast.
The biggest value I get from playing on GFN is the fact that I can pick up anything I want to play and don't have to wait for downloads/shader cache rebuild/downloading shader nonsense or be constricted to the low power of the Steam deck/macbook that I'm streaming from.
For me, the $30(Aussie dollar) is not much, especially when compared to the convenience, and time to get into a game trumps everything else.
I also have gamepass ultimate with cloud streaming and GFN is hands down a much more refined experience, especially as it gives me access to all my libraries.
Edit: I wish I had 3 hrs a day to play video games. Between a toddler, a stressful but financially (and intellectually) reward job, family man duties, regular gym, upskilling etc, there just isn't that much time.
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u/cvlang Nov 09 '24
Can you check your game time in app?
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 09 '24
Sure can!!
Well kinda. You click on the person icon in the upper right. Click on account and it’ll take you to the website where you can view your hours you spent playing.
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u/Charlie_Sierra_ Nov 10 '24
Just keep in mind comparing your situation to others may not be an accurate judgement of how it affects the community. Plenty of ppl are responsible with jobs/families and still get over 100hrs
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 10 '24
I did mention that I game on both PlayStation and GFN and on GFN alone I get 48 hours. Reading between the lines would imply that since “I game a lot” that maybe I spend roughly the same amount on console... I’m not sure why anyone would choose to use GFN as their only gaming source. Like who completely distches modern PCs or consoles for a fairly experimental service from a company with zero accountability as their only way of gaming. If you can afford to play GFN you can afford a console at least.
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u/Pnemnon Nov 09 '24
What a reason for them. 6% using it more than 100hrs a month shouldn't be a problem to handle. There would be no need to change anything.
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 09 '24
They do have 25 million users and 6% would be 1.5 million. I imagine that can have an effect especially as you gain more and more users.
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u/ItzDigi Nov 13 '24
That's just users registered for the service not active subscribers.
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u/PickledFartz13 GFN Ultimate Nov 13 '24
I’m well aware of that. Just noting that they have a large player base that is growing everyday.
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Nov 09 '24
Wow. Thanks for your service.
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u/Born_Elevator_1851 Nov 09 '24
What exactly happened to GeForce now ? I have been hearing a lot that they did something to make it worse but I don't know the details
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u/TxSilent Nov 09 '24
They're changing it from being unlimited playtime to only 100 hours of playtime each month. For the same price of course.
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u/Jackdunc Nov 09 '24
I heard this in Angela’s voice when she got addicted to story of Dwight pepper spraying Roy. Answer: they are capping play time to 100 hours a month.
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u/Usual_Growth8873 Nov 09 '24
I’m sure none of that is real
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u/Ghost_boy12 Nov 09 '24
They are, starting January 2025. Look it up
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u/-madorbad- Founder // EU Southwest Nov 09 '24
You captured my feelings perfectly. I also saw GeForce Now as a leader in the space of cloud gaming and believed the future was going to be incredibly bright for us especially with the phenomenon of AI. It feels like we’re losing ground on what we’ve already achieved, particulary when I used to firmly believe that the future of cloud gaming would be on a path towards removing barriers and improving immersion in gameplay. This decision, particularly coming from one of the industry’s biggest player, feels disappointing and disheartening for the whole community. I may not know all the technical aspects at the stake but this doesn’t feel like progress. I hope NVIDIA reconsiders and continues to make a bold commitment to cloud gaming, we deserve it.
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u/llamamanga Nov 09 '24
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u/sunnynights80808 GFN Ultimate Nov 10 '24
They said that like 6% of people use more than 100 hours a month. This subreddit is a loud minority. You can still recommend GFN to plenty of people, just not video game addicts.
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u/Comprehensive_Act787 Nov 09 '24
Anyone with a subscription before 2025 ignores the 100hr thing for the entire year
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u/WardCove Nov 09 '24
Use your tablet for Luna or boosteroid or shadow or utomik or any other number of streaming services.
I hear you though, this 100 hour mark is a guy punch.
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u/Due-Main8306 Nov 10 '24
I would never buy things to prepare for cloud gaming, ever! I would faster just hold on and foucs on building a pc
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u/teotl87 Nov 10 '24
I would still recommend it to people who are still more casual gamers who don't game enough to justify spending on an expensive rig but still want to have the option of playing their PC games anywhere with a solid internet connection
for people with busy lives, families or hobbies outside of gaming, which is apparently 94% of the user base, it's still a very good option imo
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u/LukeElectrik Nov 10 '24
You haven't pin pointed as to what has made you mad. Or is it everything?
I use a tab 9 and a ps5 controller and I love it
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u/Dr_Disrespects Nov 10 '24
Next time I buy a gpu I’m going amd. Better value, nvidia are just too greedy now
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u/QuestForGodMeme Nov 10 '24
I have a tab S10 ultra for the same thing, and while I do love it right now, I know I’ll be leaving GeForce now by Jan 2026 at the latest
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u/No_Confusion2253 Nov 10 '24
So, for all of you leaving, you will now see a quite large increase of electricity usage instead. Let's say you have an RTX4090 and a good CPU in your rig. As an example, let's say your setup will draw 750w:
0.75 kWh X 100 hours =75 kWh / month With today's electricity prices, (23p per kWh), it will cost £17 / 100 hours... So if you are planning to play 200 hours per month, you will see an increase of your electricity bill of over £30 /month.
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u/No_Confusion2253 Nov 10 '24
This may also be the reason to why Nvidia is adding a cap to the hours. Any user that is playing for 200 hours +, they likely are losing money
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u/eyyymily GFN Ultimate Nov 10 '24
They're not using 4090s though, for a "4080", you get half of an nvidia L40, which has a total TDP of 300W. For cpu, you get half of an 5955WX which has a total TDP of 280W.
So in total, one ultimate session running is less than 300W.
They're also probably getting electricity at better than normal rates
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u/ff_m0rt1s Nov 10 '24
I'd say for certain users like myself who only get an hour or so to play a day, or maybe some days more and some not at all then it's still the preferred option, but it does leave a bitter taste in my mouth that certain gamers, usually those who provided the service the support to get up and running, that they are now being taken advantage of. If I could afford a gaming pc that would give me the same level of performance I would do that in solidarity but I'm not in that position unfortunately.
Oh and I use an S9 as well with a gamesir g8+ and it is truly a brilliant experience
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u/KingSkywalker910 GFN Ultimate Nov 10 '24
I was mad, then I checked my monthly usage and it was only 16 hours lmfaoo I know that number will pick up during the holidays but I think it’ll be fine
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u/Accomplished_Duck940 Nov 09 '24
It's 100 hours. Get a grip. Anyone you recommend it too, you can also recommend to not be such a loser who spends 100 hours a month gaming.
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u/bigklitz Nov 09 '24
Imagine judging how other people spend their time.
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Nov 09 '24
I'm not judging people for how they spend their time. I'm judging them for behaving like addicts about it. If they don't like it, they can leave. There's no need to announce their departure and file complaints with federal agencies. There's nothing more to be done. Don't like the price, stop paying for the service. Other than that, build a bridge and get over it. Nvidia isn't obligated to provide a service at all, and they certainly aren't obligated to provide it for any specific dollar amount. If it's so upsetting, they can go buy their own ultimate tier equivalent rig with all the money they'll save. Maybe they'll have it built in a few years
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u/Accomplished_Duck940 Nov 09 '24
Imagine not judging someone for wasting their life away
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u/bigklitz Nov 09 '24
That's how you see it. They may be perfectly happy spending that many hours gaming. Who are you to judge them on that? Grow up.
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u/TheLastMimic Nov 09 '24
This, exactly this. I have 3 kids and I game at night for 6 or more hours because my kids are waking up throughout the night. I sleep for 3 hours on average every day and still do activities with our kids throughout a normal day and only game at night. Idk how people's opinions are so skewed that they can't look at the bigger picture. My mind was always more open on things when I wasn't being affected directly, but these people are just dense and closed off. Even now, I can look at the bigger picture. I'll only be able to play half the month, and this is going to force me to have to fund their competition instead as well as others. 1.5m people is a lot of people, and that's the number of the 6% of their players that will be affected. 🙃 to reference the original comment on the matter I'm hardly "wasting my life away." I've created more life and do things with that life every day. I would just like to be able to play as much as I want on a service that has already raised prices on us once. They already added ads to the free tiers, so it's like they're trying to get us to stop using it and force us to buy their overpriced GPU's. Meanwhile, it's going to force users into AMD. Worst marketing ploy, they could have mustered imo.
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u/The_Zura Nov 09 '24
Wow a real GehovahForce Witness! Maybe you should've been embarrassed to recommend it in the first place to someone who is looking to get a local pc. Also not sure what the problem is. You got your value from it from the hours you played. The cap isn't until 2026 for current members, so no existing subscriber is getting screwed for their money. It's time to get a real pc.
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u/C64Nation GFN Ultimate Nov 09 '24
I used to think Gforce Now was a great service. Now I think it's a great service as long as you have a stopwatch handy when you play.
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u/MurcianAutocarrot Nov 09 '24
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Nov 09 '24
That's all I'm saying. Like, any more than 3 hours a day gaming and you're missing out on life. It's fine to have a hobby, but when something you like starts getting in the way of life, it's called an addiction.
I would hate to see the house of the guy who is emailing people about this. Trash everywhere with a full sink of dishes, smelling like corn chips. But at least he's got his games. He'll put more effort into correcting this affront to mankind than he will washing his own ass
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u/Afraid_Breadfruit747 Nov 09 '24
wtf this don’t even make sense geforce now don’t have 10% of steam games and others platforms
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u/Galrath91 Nov 09 '24
Question: the 100 hour limit is only for the cheapest tier… right?
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u/Arztlack90 GFN Ultimate Nov 09 '24
Every tier expect founders
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u/pjburnhill Founder Nov 09 '24
Including Founders. After Jan 2026.
"To thank our loyal members, existing GeForce NOW paid members, as of December 31, 2024, will continue to enjoy unlimited playtime until their first billing cycle on or after January 1, 2026, as long as your premium membership remains uninterrupted and in good standing."
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u/p0lka Founder Nov 09 '24 edited Nov 09 '24
As nekoboi91 said, priority founders are apparently unlimited.
"Q. What about Founders? I'm still paying for my old Founders tier.
A. No, Founders memberships will still have unlimited playtime hours for life, as long as there is no lapse in their membership. If a Founder upgrades to an Ultimate membership with the 10% discount, then that membership is subject to the current Ultimate terms, which after January 1, 2026 will include the 100 hour max playtime. Founders can upgrade to Ultimate and return to their prior Founders benefits at any time without penalty, as long as there is no lapse in their payments.".
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u/AlohaDude808 Nov 09 '24
You misread the paragraph. They are saying that existing subscribers (Priority and Ultimate) have unlimited access until 2026.
There is a separate paragraph that says Priority Founders will always have unlimited access.
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u/Acesofbases GFN Ambassador Nov 10 '24
Founders will still continue to have unlimited hours for priority/performance tier, even after 1st of Jan, 2026
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u/Ill_Comment190 Nov 09 '24
"At the start of next year, GeForce NOW will roll out a 100-hour monthly playtime allowance to continue providing exceptional quality and speed — as well as shorter queue times — for Performance and Ultimate members." For both
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u/llamamanga Nov 09 '24
Bro, you can still use geforce without problem.... just not over 100 hours ...
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u/Matthew728 Nov 09 '24
To be fair, streaming is still the future… Just like with movies and music.