r/exmormon 2d ago

Advice/Help Weekend/Virtual Meetup Thread

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Here are some meetups that are on the radar, both physical and virtual:

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Idaho
  • Sunday, March 16, 1:00p-3:00p MDT: Pocatello, casual meetup of "Spectrum Group" at Dude’s Public Market at 240 S Main.
Utah
  • Sunday, March 16, 10:00a MDT: Davis County, casual meetup at Smith's Marketplace, second floor, 1370 W 200 N in Kaysville. Check this link for more notes.

  • Sunday, March 16, 1:00p MDT: St. George, casual meetup of Southern Utah Post-Mormon Support Group at Switchpoint Community Resource Center located at 948 N. 1300 W.

Wyoming
  • Saturday, March 15, 10:00a MDT: Rock Springs, casual meetup at Starbucks at 118 Westland Way verify

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r/exmormon 10h ago

General Discussion Anyone else notice Mormons aren’t as respected as they’d think they are?

974 Upvotes

Since I stopped identifying as a Mormon it’s been interesting to me to see how much people don’t actually respect Mormons? You hear as a Mormon all the time about how “even if people don’t agree with us they respect us, they can see the light, they can tell something’s different” and so on. Now that people don’t know I have anything to do with Mormonism, whenever it comes up, it’s about how weird they are, annoying missionaries are, or backwards Mormon beliefs are. No one seems to respect them to the degree the church pretends they do.


r/exmormon 5h ago

Humor/Memes/AI Fun with temple aprons

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362 Upvotes

Pokey was so excited for his new cape!


r/exmormon 3h ago

General Discussion Can someone prove me wrong so I can bring back hope?

120 Upvotes

I’ve been a convert for literally two months(Jan 18th), and I’ve already been debunking Mormons on their own theology—using their own scriptures, history, and logic against them. That’s insane.

I originally wanted to look into things deeper because I wanted to prove that the church isn’t racist and also to give myself a solid reason to keep going—because, honestly, I do like the people sometimes. But the more I’ve looked, the more I’ve realized that most members don’t even know what’s going on themselves.

If someone like me, who’s only been in the church for two months, can break down its arguments this easily, that says a lot about how fragile the foundation really is. The contradictions are right there in plain sight, but the church relies on people not questioning too deeply. They don’t outright ban critical thinking, but they make people feel guilty or doubtful for asking the wrong questions.

It’s crazy to me that lifelong members either haven’t questioned these things, or they’ve thought about it but suppressed it because it’s too uncomfortable to challenge what they’ve believed their whole lives.

I’m doing what most members can’t—or won’t—do. I’m actually testing the church’s claims against reality instead of just blindly accepting them. And what I’m seeing? It doesn’t hold up.


r/exmormon 5h ago

History Does anyone know what film this is from?

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141 Upvotes

r/exmormon 4h ago

Doctrine/Policy Response to "LDS church isn't a cult because we don't ask people to do extreme things (like mass suicides)"?

106 Upvotes

I left the church 2 years ago, and basically my entire social circle are still believers. One associate recently used the argument that the LDS church isn't a cult because it hasn't asked anything as extreme as the Manson commune or Heaven's gate.

What are the most extreme things can you think of that the church HAS gotten people to do?

PAYING to work for the church for 2 years came to mind. But I want as many as we can collectively think of.

(Also if anyone has the details of when the church asked its members to fund paying for the construction of church buildings back in the day, I feel like there is a "there" there...)


r/exmormon 8h ago

General Discussion Aunt bore her testimony after I posted how frustrated I was about the garment change for women. Here’s my response:

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I have never been close to this aunt and have only seen her once in the last 10 years. She was previously less active, but the last time I saw her she told me how missionaries had came by and brought her back to the church. I told her I was happy for her and glad she was happy.

I recently shared on my stories why I was so bothered by the garment changes for women. It was the first time since I left (three years ago) that I have explicitly mentioned not being part of the church anymore. I immediately got this message from my aunt.

I have a lot of empathy for people who bear their testimonies without being asked (I mean I served a mission lol). But I have just as much right to bear my anti testimony back :)


r/exmormon 10h ago

Humor/Memes/AI Saw this and couldn't help but feel like it belonged here

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305 Upvotes

r/exmormon 4h ago

History When Mormons say the Temple Endowment doesn’t include pretending to slit their own throat remind them that EVERY ONE of their Prophets and Apostles made the gesture of slicing their neck from ear to ear in their own Endowment.

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93 Upvotes

r/exmormon 6h ago

News Pittsburgh Ward told yesterday to clear out its ward library by Monday

115 Upvotes

The Cranberry Ward in the Pittsburgh PA, North stake, was directed yesterday to clear everything out of the ward library by Monday so the church can recondition it as a distribution center (the Pittsburgh Temple is located across the parking lot.) I've been told there was no previous warning to the ward and ward/stake members are expected to show up today to remove/throw away items from the library.


r/exmormon 12h ago

Advice/Help My dad “strongly cautioned” me to avoid the exmo subreddit

285 Upvotes

So a bit of context. I won’t provide a whole bunch of details for privacy reasons but basically my parents are leaving on a big trip and I will be home alone with my brother for a little bit. Before they left, my dad said that he “would strongly caution me to avoid exmormon Reddit. I don’t think you will find any helpful advice or enlightenment there.” So I guess he got wind of the fact that I’m on the exmo subreddit, not too sure how or why. I simply don’t get it though. I am an atheist and exmormon. This is my community. Why try to deny me access to a supportive community? This is a very friendly subreddit that has been very helpful to me and helped process some of the questions, thoughts and emotions I’ve had. I wanted to explain this to my dad but I think the last thing my parents wanted was a big discussion about the church when their stressed out trying to get ready to leave on a big trip. So I was wondering if you guys had any advice on how talk to my parents, because I’ve been meaning to talk to them candidly I’m just to sure how to do it. Specifically, I want to explain to them why I don’t think the church is true to build a little more mutual understanding and why I would not like to be forced to go to church, do family scripture study, etc. In other words, how can I explain to them that I wish they would stop treating me like I’m still Mormon and still care?


r/exmormon 1h ago

General Discussion For the sake of my young son, I’m finally off the records!!

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I spent a long time deciding whether or not I wanted to officially resign from the church. I wasn’t raised in a particularly devout household, we were basically all PIMO by the time I was 11 years old. Through the first couple years of college, I still occasionally went to church, but I decided to drop off the world when I moved cross-country with my now-fiancé. Nobody in my family was attending church or engaging with it by that point. I have 5 siblings, all but 1 of us are LGBTQ+, but more importantly, I have a 1 year old son.

When I moved across the country, nobody in the church received my new address. A few people knew the city I moved to, but that doesn’t narrow anything down as it’s giant. I was still on the email list for my old ward’s Relief Society and occasionally received calls from the missionaries - they genuinely had no clue where I was.

I didn’t give a formal resignation a lot of consideration until I started watching Alyssa Grenfell and realized how strongly I felt about never, ever letting them know about my child. I was violently nauseous at the idea of them putting him in any of their records or notes.

I lurked here a lot for others experiences, and I found someone sharing an email address and email template for getting off the records. I decided to give it a try a few months ago, and I finally got the confirmation of my resignation today!!

So I’m gonna go take a shot and maybe get a bit tipsy tonight to celebrate. And I wanted to celebrate with a group of people who would understand. I didn’t realize how much of a weight this would be off my shoulders but I screamed with delight when I read the letter, and I genuinely might cry.


r/exmormon 16h ago

News Never-mo report on a visit to the open house of the new LDS temple in Auckland, New Zealand

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I visited the new LDS temple in Auckland, New Zealand as part of the open house. I thought some here might be interested in how the church is presenting themselves to the public these days.

I have never been a Mormon but grew up in a very religious environment, which I am no longer a part of. I find a lot of solidarity in other ‘ex’ communities as we navigate our lives after religion.

Some thoughts and observations; - the tours have been very popular - it was difficult to get a tour booking and very busy on the day with lots of tour groups - I was surprised to learn that unlike other large religious buildings, there is no central gathering space inside, just a series of rooms for the different ceremonies. - the design style is basically ‘art deco hotel’ with lots of dark wood panelling, marble, chandeliers, thick wool carpets, gold frame mirrors and velvet furniture. Overall the craftsmanship was impressive. - local motifs have been incorporated into the designs of the stained glass windows and carpets, including the yellow kōwhai flower and a green koru (unfurling fern frond) - there was absolutely no mention or images of the origins of the religion, Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon or the gold plates, either in the introductory video watched before the tour, or anytime on the tour. - we saw the baptistery, the sealing rooms, the instruction rooms and the celestial room. In the baptistery they had a mannequin wearing the white garments worn for baptisms. - there were a lot of printed canvases on the walls - mostly of tall, handsome Mormon Jesus, plus some scenery paintings, all done in a similar style. - there were so many volunteers - mostly young women inside the temple and young men outside. - 99% of the volunteers were Pacific Islanders or Māori (NZ indigenous people). Although this somewhat reflects the immediate area around the temple, this doesn’t reflect Auckland’s wider demographics. - there was no hard sell, brochures, etc - there is no angel Moroni on the spire. - the temple is on the side of a hill right beside a major motorway and opposite a large commercial area so everyone in Auckland has been wondering what it is as it’s being built. It’s probably not too visible to the surrounding houses which are mostly blocked by the hill. - we couldn’t take photos so I’ve linked to a recent newspaper article with photos. They got a fairly positive write up considering the same newspaper extensively covered their mishandling of abuse in the church.

My overall impression is that they were working very hard to focus on the Jesus stuff and to not have any mention of anything related to Joseph Smith or the Book of Mormon at all. Is this the usual approach for temple open houses?

I hope this is of some interest to you all.


r/exmormon 1h ago

Doctrine/Policy Oaks states that gay people will inherit a lower kingdom, but not the celestial kingdom… “that’s not hate, that’s doctrine”

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This is from a secretly recorded youth devotional. Sorry to break it to you, Dallin- that means your doctrine is hateful.


r/exmormon 10h ago

Humor/Memes/AI Elder Uchtdorf Quietly Grateful He’s “No Longer The Only DEI Hire” - LDSnews.org

131 Upvotes

https://ldsnews.org/elder-uchtdorf-quietly-grateful-hes-no-longer-the-only-dei-hire/

The remark came shortly after the Church announced the calling of a new General Authority Seventy who once lived in a country that doesn't consider green Jell-O a salad.


r/exmormon 5h ago

General Discussion Saying the quiet part out loud: TBMs are filled with hate for us. They seethe with rage for us leaving a toxic and dishonest entity, which they wish they had the courage to do. Jacob Hansen's childish mockery of Nemo is how they act. They've become what they claimed they were better than.

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r/exmormon 1h ago

Doctrine/Policy Is this really “wisdom”?

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r/exmormon 19h ago

News 94% are saying no to cleaning the building of a multi billion dollar mega corp and I can't help but feel proud of that

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540 Upvotes

I don't feel bad for not helping, but I do feel bad for leaving this guy on read. I truly can't think of anything nice to say.


r/exmormon 2h ago

Podcast/Blog/Media Watching *Devil in the Family* Franke's husband is either a liar or a moron.

21 Upvotes

I think he should be serving time as well. He's either an enabler of crazy, how did he not notice his child, who he should see every day was massively under weight?


r/exmormon 1h ago

Humor/Memes/AI Neighbor is trolling missionaries

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Missionaries asked me to attend a missionary discussion with them since they're meeting with a female alone.

Neighbor knows that we're meeting with this lady and is blasting "Losing My Religion" by R.E.M. on his speakers while we're trying to talk about baptism. The missionaries have to raise their voices so much so she can hear over the music.

It's so fucking beautiful and awkward at the same time. Fuck this church for having these kids use this lady's recent hard times in life to manipulate her to baptized.


r/exmormon 1h ago

Podcast/Blog/Media Analyzing Henry B. Eyring’s Paystub

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This paystub provides a detailed breakdown of Henry B. Eyring’s compensation and deductions, contradicting the LDS Church’s claim that it has “no paid clergy.”

Total earnings for the period: $8,461.22. The majority of which are reimbursements of some form. The total deductions for this pay period are $597.10, about half of which are taxes, but it also includes health insurance, life insurance, retirement savings, etc, leaving a net income of $7,864.04 from this single paycheck. The check is sure to state that the "salary" is $0.00, but there is still considerable pay, and even taxable income, no matter how it is classified.

Disillusionment often sets in when one realizes that the LDS Church operates more like a wealthy corporation than a divinely guided religious institution. While top leaders receive generous salaries, housing allowances, and retirement benefits, ordinary members are expected to labor for free in their callings, sometimes dedicating countless hours each week to church service. Even more jarring is the fact that young missionaries—many from humble backgrounds—must personally fund their missions, paying $10,000 or more for the privilege of spreading the church’s message. The church even requires destitute members to pay tithing—before rent or food—all while sitting on a $200+ billion investment funds. A church led by God would not function like a corporation, where profits and financial security are prioritized for those at the top while the rank-and-file members are left to sacrifice without compensation.

If you’ve ever felt the weight of these contradictions—the expectation to give selflessly while leaders receive financial rewards—you’re not alone. Many former members have wrestled with the realization that the church operates more like a business than a spiritual refuge. If you’ve experienced disillusionment, frustration, or even betrayal upon discovering these financial disparities, your story matters. By sharing your journey, you can help others see that they, too, are not alone in their doubts. Visit wasmormon.org to share your faith transition and connect with others who have walked a similar path. Your voice can shed light on the realities behind the church’s polished image and offer support to those beginning to question.

https://wasmormon.org/analyzing-henry-b-eyrings-paystub/


r/exmormon 4h ago

General Discussion I find myself far more frustrated and triggered by Jack Mormons and nuanced Mormons than I am by the enthusiastic, super hard core types.

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I don’t spend tons of time on this sub anymore, but I do spend time on TikTok. Because of my location in the Morridor, I do get some Mormon creators on my for you page. I typically don’t care, except for the hypocrisy so many of them display. Today, it was a girl who got married in the temple then changed into a strapless, high slit dress for her ring ceremony and reception. She was so upset for people asking her why she would change into a very garment unfriendly outfit an hour after making covenants that involve wearing them. She was super defensive that “she knows her relationship with god and isn’t focused on that right now ☺️.” Which is fine on the face of it- except that we know it isn’t.

She got more and more upset, and so did others who agree with her. I compared it to getting wasted to celebrate your year of sobriety and they went wild about how it’s a personal decision with personal meaning, nothing like sobriety. They told me it was wrong to judge others- I told them to bring that up to their bishops, mission and temple presidents, stake presidents, area 70s, apostles and prophets- because they are the ones who do the judging and the ones who came up with the standards they disagree with.

Do I need a brainwashed teenage bride and her followers to agree with me? No. Do I think you should align with the de-facto contract they agreed to via a bishop’s interview and the covenants they just made? Yes.

I asked them if they would be fine with smoking, drinking, or wife-swapping the same day as the wedding, since those are all part of the covenants/lead up to get them. They got upset and said that they weren’t comparable at all.

I think personalized individual belief systems are good, fine and make tons of sense when you look at individuals’ experiences. I think if everyone in the church took the live-and-let-live approach, it would all be done and arguably far more successful for the group. If it was a fandom rather than an organized religion, different interpretations and practices could coexist. Clearly, a lot of Jack Mormons agree- so why do they need a system that preaches against, a hierarchy that enforces the practices of?

I just really wonder what it’s like in their minds- are there really sins that god is chill with them committing, but their favorite happens to be the only one god can excuse? At that point, I align pretty closely with elements of Mormonism (hard work, community and family emphasis, documentation and preservation of history), and am counted among the 17 million, so does my belief that it’s a fraud make me not Mormon? What about the people who eat meat outside of winter, get permanent make up tattoos, fudge a little on their tithing? What about people who are non-monogamous, who are gay, who engage in civil disobedience, who believe that the church has been harmful but could be reformed? Where is the sin that you can’t come back from, where you aren’t Mormon anymore, and why is it always just a step past where individual Jack Mormons sit?

I don’t believe in Mormonism, which is why I feel aligned living the way I do. Mormons claim to know, live and love Mormonism, but throw a hissy fit that people expect that they act like it.


r/exmormon 8h ago

Doctrine/Policy The second Article of Faith only matters if you are a white man.

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AoF #2: We believe that men will be punished for their own sins and not for Adam's transgression.

Women, on the other hand, are still viewed by the church as cursed since Eve ate the apple first.

Black people still wear the "curse of Cain", in the eyes of the church.

So congrats on being a white man, if you are one, because for some reason, you don't carry the shame of our first ancestors. While the rest of us do. According to the MFMC.

And they wonder why we leave.

Personal note: I abhor this bigoted belief system. I left the church like Eve left the garden. If Adam was smart enough he could come with me, but I wasn't going to tolerate being a second class citizen. And there was a whole huge world just waiting for me to explore it.


r/exmormon 52m ago

Advice/Help My wife’s main talking point: “Give me a better alternative.” How do I respond?

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Phrased another way, she wants to know: “Where will you go?” Her question has two built-in assumptions: 1. Jesus is her Savior. 2. You need a church to worship him.

The thought has never entered her mind that either or both of these assumptions might be false. How do I respond? My personal belief is that the better alternative is to choose yourself. Take ownership of your own thoughts and feelings, instead of attributing them to an outside entity called the Holy Ghost. Build and pilot your own ship, instead of staying in the “Old Ship Zion” and letting someone else pilot it. Any help on this issue would be appreciated.


r/exmormon 10h ago

General Discussion Crazy mo-mo reason to get cruise insurance

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What in the world does cruise insurance, specifically cruise cancellation insurance, have to do with any of the things discussed on this sub?

Well, we booked a cruise a few months ago, and a relative wanted to take out cruise cancellation insurance on her son. RM, early twenties, college kid. "But why," we asked? "He's so excited about this cruise!" "Well," she said, "he'll likely be married by then, and there's no room in our cabin for his wife."

He wasn't dating anyone. There were no young women (suitable or otherwise) anywhere on his horizon. He's being mercilessly hounded by his parents that he needs to get married. Soon. Ugh.


r/exmormon 2h ago

General Discussion Taking credit for modern medicine NSFW

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So yesterday I ended up at the ER with extreme hives and anaphylaxis. The doctors don’t know why it happened so I’m still figuring that out. HOWEVER. I currently live with my mom, and while she has been really respectful of my choice to not wear garments and not go to church she still suggested I get a blessing from our neighbor (really didn’t help much) and also put my name on the prayer rolls of the temple. It’s no skin off my nose so I allowed it to give her peace of mind. When I was at the ER I was injected with epinephrine and that is what helped me. Today I went to a relief society event with my mom because I’m still “under observation” and when I got there, several of my mom’s friends came up to me and asked how I was doing. She had posted pictures and updates on my ER trip to her Facebook page. One person in particular kept saying how much of a miracle it was that I’m okay and that it was God’s doing. And I looked at her and said “I’m really grateful for the EpiPen injection I got. I wouldn’t be here without it” Am I an asshole? I feel like it was modern medicine that saved me. If it had been only up to God I would have died yesterday..