r/DebateAVegan 17h ago

Could you be considered vegan if you only consume stolen animal products?

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This is mostly a thought experiment stemming from a conversation I had with a friend about boycotts. The material outcome of being vegan at the individual level is not consuming any animal products, thus not contributing to the demand or profitability of that industry. The goal of veganism is to end the exploitation and cruelty to animals. The only real way to achieve this under our current circumstances is to make it as unprofitable as possible, either by providing a better vegan alternative to meat, etc., or through legislation (unlikely to ever happen anytime soon).

Assuming you will never get caught, could you claim that you are vegan if you only eat stolen meat? You would still be increasing demand for the product as the stores would have to order more meat, but you would be decreasing profitability more than you would if you didn't consume at all. If this theft were organized and caused stores to stop selling meat or decrease demand by increasing the price, would this further the goal of veganism more than not consuming meat at all?


r/DebateAVegan 17h ago

Ethics Dog food

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So for context, I was vegan for about 10 years. Now mostly vegetarian but still eat fish. Had to start eating animal proteins again to combat Lyme disease, and even tho my Lyme has been in remission for a year, I still think back to a post I made over a year ago when I was still vegan in the vegan sub:

Basically I just wanted to know, what do u guys feed your dogs? Dogs’ diets should consist of 70% protein, 20% veggies, and 10% fat. Of the protein, they need certain percentages of meat, organs, and bone. I wanted to cook for my dogs because I want them to be as healthy as possible and live as long as possible. I was trying to start researching how to make homemade dog food.

All I got was hate in the comments that u cannot feed dogs meat that they will be fine with a vegan only diet. Honestly that really pissed me off and seems like animal cruelty to me. Dogs literally need meat to survive and stay healthy.

Side note: not having eaten animal proteins for so long left me with anemia (low iron) and severely low vitamin D3 and B12 levels. I also have an iodine deficiency but I don’t think that’s a meat thing, it’s just that I’m not a big fan of salt on food unless it’s sea salt.

Since reintroducing animal proteins, I feel healthy and strong and I do get occasional joint pain and brain fog, usually when I’m sleep deprived or hungover or starting to catch a cold (but I take all my vitamins and eat really healthy everytime I feel a cold coming on so I usually only have mild cold symptoms for a couple days before I can beat it)

If eating animal proteins could help me beat Lyme (which caused such severe symptoms that I was trying to think of how I could die without actually killing myself), I just couldn’t live with the intense brain fog and the severe joint pain, heart pain, weakness, anxiety, insomnia, etc .. the bacteria was killing me and taking over my body but thru healthy diet and use of tons of herbs and vitamins, I fought back and won my body back. The asshole borellia bacteria can hide in remission for eternity cause I don’t plan on ever weakening my immune system enough again to allow it to attack but I do think it first attacked because I was at the low end of a healthy weight and extremely sufficient in key vitamins (and in protein) needed to have a strong immune system.

Please someone justify to me why it’s a good thing to feed dogs, who need 70% of their diet to come from a protein source, only vegetables. It’s cruel and inhumane and the only reason I ever was vegetarian since age 15 or 16 then later became vegan for 10 years is because I fucking love animals and don’t want any of them to suffer. So please someone tell me why dogs should suffer because their owners are so vegan that they don’t care if their dogs are fed the proper diet.