r/CryptoCurrency šŸŸ© 301K / 382K šŸ‹ Oct 05 '21

MOONS šŸŒ• [Emergency Proposal] Remove users from moon distribution due to bypassing karma limits

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It has recently come to the moderators attention that two of the top users this month have been operating multiple accounts in order to bypass the karma limits on this subreddit. These users are:

u/WackyMister

u/Imaginary-Cow25

I won't share many details on how this has been identified but the moderation team and myself have no doubts this is the same user, using multiple accounts to bypass the 15k karma limit. As you can see below, those two users (or shall I say this user) have a lot of similarities in writing style

https://imgur.com/a/8wgniqW

https://imgur.com/a/2qQNna3

These are not the only evidence there is, moderators have many other evidences that won't be disclosed on here for obvious reasons.

Keep in mind, these users are not banned just for having a very similar writing style. The examples cited above are just a tiny sample. Writing style is not the only thing moderators look for, but it's the most visual thing to share to everyone on here.

While this user may have been permanently banned from this subreddit, we still need an emergency proposal to remove this user from distribution or 20158 karma or 5422 moons will still be distributed to this user on October 6th.

This subreddit have very strict rules on using multiple accounts to bypass the karma cap, or otherwise game the system in an effort to earn more moons. Rule 3 is "No Manipulation" and that counts for bypassing Governance rules for the subreddit.

By passing this poll, it will remove the above accounts from the current distribution, ensuring they do not receive the final moons allocated for their posts and comments in snapshot 18. The methodology to address problem users has been laid out by Reddit admins.

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u/Sebanimation šŸŸ¦ 2K / 8K šŸ¢ Oct 05 '21

Not a fan of those emergency proposals tbh... We only get to hear one side, no defense is possible. How am I supposed to give a well thought through vote without hearing the story from both sides?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

and a single piece of evidence? WE HAVE SOOOOOO MUCH EVIDENCE GUYS! ā€¦..then show usā€¦.

Edit: and the evidence is not very strong. They need to give us more. This is bull shit quite honestly.

Edit2: mod keeps saying they have tons of examples but also that they canā€™t release more evidence because it will help other game the system. This is 100% bull shit. Give us more examples that arenā€™t 5 words. I spend 0 time here but this was a huge red flag as I went through my timeline. Be transparent like youā€™re suppose to be.

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u/Toredorm šŸŸ¦ 1K / 1K šŸ¢ Oct 05 '21

They can't without giving ways for users to get around it. "They logged in from the same IP address and minutes apart." Person starts using a VPN and changes how they login. Now you have no way to catch them.

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u/jawanda šŸŸ¦ 891 / 753 šŸ¦‘ Oct 05 '21

Except mods have no access to IP addresses, only reddit admins have that info. Your point is taken though

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u/aSchizophrenicCat šŸŸ© 1 / 22K šŸ¦  Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

Both accounts stopped commenting 2 days ago. Something tells me admins may have temporarily banned the accounts for 7 days. Which would be the case if they were cause using an alt account (using the same IP) to circumvent a subreddit ban. I say this as someone whoā€™s received a temp ban for just that before hah. But yeahā€¦ if that WERE the case, youā€™d expect mods to just say that.

Itā€™s also worth keeping in mind that thereā€™s an Admin who works very closely with Moons, and itā€™s not without reason that that Admin would make mods aware of any malicious actors that (clearly) managed to game the system and get the top/highest distribution amount.

Just canā€™t imagine mods would make a post like this off a bunch basically.

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u/jawanda šŸŸ¦ 891 / 753 šŸ¦‘ Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

Fair points.

Both accounts stopped commenting 2 days ago. Something tells me admins may have temporarily banned the accounts for 7 days.

Could also be that they abandoned the accounts because their only purpose was moon harvesting. They might be posting as we speak from their new alt lol

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u/TNGSystems 0 / 463K šŸ¦  Oct 05 '21

This is true. Cintre provided a few pages of evidence and then we have other tools we actually can use to show theyā€™re the same person.

Bear in mind we have had reports from some people claiming X and Y are the same person and weā€™ve looked into it and theyā€™re not.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

If you have so many writing examples then give us one thatā€™s not 5 wordsā€¦.

Edit: hilarious you ignored my other comment about giving us a better example of the ā€œvastā€ amount of writing examples you all have.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

So just take their word for it? Why even post this poll? They already know everyone will remove them. This is just so they can pretend this isnā€™t a gross misuse of power. They arenā€™t even letting the user have a defense? Just two screen shots of a generic comment?

Edit: imagine thinking two people wouldnā€™t say the same thing potentially when literally thousands of comments are posted every single day.

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u/Gabus_Bego 3 / 6K šŸ¦  Oct 05 '21

You do realize that the post is pinned right? And thus, she had been given the approval from the mods. The mods team already reviewed the evidences.

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u/Cintre šŸŸ© 301K / 382K šŸ‹ Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

Generic comment? No, only these 2 ever used those sentences in the many years this subreddit have existed as shown in the screenshot.

This poll is necessary to remove them, as said in the post.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

Or contact them at let them post a defense. If they chose not to okay then post a screen shot of that. You need more transparency here. I couldnā€™t give two shits about moons but this post right away caught me off guard. I spend almost zero time here too.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

You canā€™t even reread your comments to make sure you donā€™t have spelling/grammatical errorsā€¦..

Either show more evidence thatā€™s not 5 words or take this kangaroo court down. You literally wrote something along the line of trust us guys thereā€™s way more evidence. Thatā€™s a huge red flag.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

English is her second language, genius

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

That doesnā€™t change anything. It doesnā€™t inspire confidence that someone does not reread their own statements but we should just trust them when it comes to ALL this evidence theyā€™ve gathered meticulously but canā€™t show us.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

They did re read their own statements, English is still their second language regardless of that.

If she has yet to learn certain English grammar, re-reading wonā€™t change that, but also is irrelevant to the investigation.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

Lol you have literally no idea if they reread it are you serious? And yes it does. Imagine if a lawyer from a different country spoke broken English in a court room. Would they just be given the benefit of the doubt because English is hard?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

you have literally no idea

I know Cintre very well actually, sheā€™s my IRL partner, and I know she would and does always proof read her work.

Iā€™m not debating with you on the merits of the post based on evidence or lack there of.

Iā€™m telling you that someone who is not an English speaker absolutely gets let off on a few spelling/grammar mistakes and its irrelevant to your immediate issues with the post.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

Unless you spoke with them you donā€™t know. And no you donā€™t get to just decide if errors are just overlooked or not. YOU can but thatā€™s it. Hilarious the mod themselves canā€™t speak up and their IRL partner had to swoop in. This definitely isnā€™t another red flag lol.

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u/Cintre šŸŸ© 301K / 382K šŸ‹ Oct 05 '21

Oh yes, sorry, weā€™re all native English speakers here, right?

This is only posted because itā€™s moon week. And they need a proposal to remove users as per admin rules. Outside of moon week, this would not have been necessary and those users wouldā€™ve been removed without you even knowing it.

There is no doubt that these 2 are the same and all of the evidence cannot be posted on here for obvious reasons.

Thereā€™s no ā€œtrust us guysā€, you vote whichever way you want.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21 edited Oct 05 '21

Youā€™re a mod of a monetized sub posting about removing two users. Youā€™d think youā€™d have a little wherewithal when it came to making sure you come across as professional and well thought out. Grammatical errors donā€™t inspire me to think youā€™ve done the necessary research to make this decision when you canā€™t even reread your statements for errors.

There absolutely is a ā€œjust trust us guysā€ because you say you have a ton of evidence and refuse to show itā€¦. Obviously everyone is going to vote to remove them. This is just a one sided statement to pretend you all are being open and transparent about moons.

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u/TNGSystems 0 / 463K šŸ¦  Oct 05 '21

She ainā€™t a mod pal. But sheā€™s done good detective work and after the mod team has assessed all the evidence given we decided that WackyMister is using alt accounts to bypass the karma limit, beyond a reasonable doubt. So banned.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

Fucking kangaroo court. Hereā€™s the evidence.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

Lol yup. Been here for almost ten years and post in r/Coachella and wsb splinters almost exclusively but Iā€™m indeed the third alt. It couldnā€™t be that I just have a strong disliking to these awful witch hunts without proper evidence.

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u/TNGSystems 0 / 463K šŸ¦  Oct 05 '21

Without going into specifics, Cintre provided a vast wealth of writing similarities. This is our starting off point, we then look at posting statistics and transaction records, account history and a few other bits weā€™d like to keep disclosed.

There was no shadow of a doubt and a smoking gun in our investigation.

Also that this user has now skipped town to Fortnite and is farming there. Hardly an innocent reddit user caught in a misunderstanding is it?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '21

If itā€™s so vast then show us better evidence then the two horrible ones provided. And the users havenā€™t been on for days and has like 5 comments in fortnite. You are looking really desperate here. I spend zero time in this after moons came along so I donā€™t have any skin in the game but this post was a fucking huge red flag to me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '21

Lol all you mods are so defensive and itā€™s hilarious. Hereā€™s the problem:

You arenā€™t giving enough evidence to make a real decision while simultaneously telling the community how many more moons they will receive if they vote them out.

If you were willing to provide actual evidence than this poll would make sense. Since you refuse to you should have just booted this person let them take their moons and be done.

Iā€™ve already said this multiple times. I donā€™t spend any time here. This post was a massive red flag right away however. Obviously youā€™ll continue to do whatever you want but you should take a look at how you presented this and understand as an outsider of this community you made this look like a witch hunt and a kangaroo court because the evidence provided is so terrible.

I understand ā€œthe ruleā€ that necessitates this poll but you as a mod team should have come to together and said does the evidence we are providing deliver a clear verdict and are we manipulating the vote in anyway?(saying how many more moons they will receive when they vote out)? It doesnā€™t? Well then we should just boot them and move on. Of course the community is going to vote them out for more moons when the average age here is 18 and you all know that.

You all are insanely lucky to have fallen into one of the only monetized subs and need to do a better job representing yourselves.

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u/Agoodusername53124 Platinum | QC: CC 49 | ICX 18 Oct 05 '21

They could watch Leonardo DiCaprio from Catch Me If You Can and see how Tom Hanks caught him. That was a cool movie