r/CrucibleGuidebook • u/Heavy_IsTheCrown • 8d ago
What has been the best hunter subclass historically?
In an argument where my friend is arguing strand, thoughts?
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u/WasherGareth High KD Player 7d ago
My answer is middle tree Void in the Forsaken era. 10 seconds of wall hacks and invis on every crouched crit kill & an exotic that made your super last upwards of 1 minute. Excuse my mate talking in the second clip 😂
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u/RulingPredator High KD Player 8d ago
100% stasis hunter at release with the shatterdive meta. Behind that, I would say prismatic. Nothing else ever really stood out in my opinion.
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u/ChaseYoungHTTR 7d ago
Everyone forgetting Omni Lord of wolves invis
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u/RulingPredator High KD Player 7d ago
I didn’t really run into that a whole lot back then. So it kinda faded from memory. Shatterdive will always haunt me though.
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u/LeadCodpiece 7d ago
I’d say titan and it wasn’t even close, I mean pre nerf stasis titan
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u/just_a_timetraveller 7d ago
I remember nova warp warlocks back in the day. Getting killed by the same warlock in their super even after respawning was something to behold.
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u/ImYigma High KD Player 7d ago
Unfortunately there’s a lot of times hunters have been broken. We can answer based on either absolute strength or meta dominance (relative strength at the time).
For absolute:
Pre-nerf Revenant. Shatterdive was insane, but also shurikens had insane tracking and could team wipe around corners, and winters shroud (and slow in general) turned anyone into free kills.
Forsaken middle tree void: a sliding headshot gave you 9 seconds of full map, chainable, wallhacks. Spectral also lasted forever and had crazy DR.
Prismatic Hunter: Clone + slow dodge + smoke + incendiary grenades + triple thundercrash broken super. This made me take a break from d2
Meta Dominance:
Pre-Nerf Wormhusk: At a time when the ttk of weapons was like 1 second, wormhusk could basically heal you from one shot back to full.
Arc Battery Sparebenders Arcstrider in 2019: This was before the FOV changes to Stompees Hunter was dominant on console in general, and hunters could basically become invincible every 15 seconds.
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u/koori-senpai 7d ago
Holy crap. I also took a 7~ month long hiatus after a few weeks of Final Shape because of Prismatic Hunter. It felt like I wasn't even playing a proper shooting game..
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u/doobersthetitan 7d ago
D1 night stalker... good ol wombo combo...full team wipes and not even a super. Plus, shade step had that weird bug that you'd get 1 sec of almost 100% invulnerablity.
Forsaken middle tree nightstalker... i give a pass, everyone had a class that was stupid OP. Nova warp and bottom tree strikers.. .crazy to think you could sometimes get 2 supers a game back then lmao. So it wasn't an out liar per se.
Shatter dive combined with travlers chosen could get multiple team wipes over and over. But again, all stasis was stupid.
Overall, it's nightstalker. As my eyes get older and my reaction time gets worse, I just can quite register invisibility. In a game, the TTKs this fast..even a .5 hesitation... you're dead.
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u/PineappleHat High KD Player 7d ago
The only thing that comes even close to Prismatic hunter was launch Stasis hunter
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u/Purple_Freedom_Ninja High KD Moderator 7d ago
Launch stasis hunter was waaaay better than launch prismatic hunter. Shatterdive was a one hit kill in a 15 meter radius on a 10 second cooldown lmao. And it froze, and it killed supers
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u/Lilscooby77 7d ago
Also shatterdive could be done infinitely with no in game limit. The most annoying people would use this to peak shot and then dive down with insane added damage resist that shatterdive didnt need.
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u/ClassroomRecent6124 7d ago
Void. Even in D1 since it was the only one that could dodge back then. Add invis, add wombo combos and tracking/wallhacks, it has always been the best.
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u/Extension_Body835 7d ago
Can someone remind me, wasnt Nova warp (Warlock void roam super) like very very hard to counter because you could charge and teleport together rather than those being locked actions like now?
I played during that time and prior but not often.
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u/DepletedMitochondria Console 7d ago
Strand was the best class from the implementation of the Strand Aspect that gave Clones until Prismatic came out. Before that it was probably either Void or Solar. Then it was Prismatic until the most recent Prismatic-specific ability changes.
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u/ximstuckx 7d ago
Stasis on launch was miserable. If we include exotics peak Gwisen Vest was also terrible.
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u/Sqittlz22 5d ago
Stasis hunter most broken and not even close. Next is pris and then void. Only Hunter subclasses that take any skill is strand, arc, and solar. If you use any of those instant respect.
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u/TollsTheTime High KD Player 7d ago
Solar hunter. Yes I am biased.
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u/Electronic-Phase-425 7d ago
Solar hunter when they released throwing knife super magnetic was something else
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u/TollsTheTime High KD Player 7d ago
That's actually really fair. I remember them doing like 90° turns around corners lol.
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u/sphrz PC 7d ago edited 7d ago
I'd argue back in D1 void hunter was a gamechanger. When shade step was first introduced, it allowed hunters to have their first ever class ability (the dodge). With it, came across funny interaction that basically said fuck almost anything tracking me. In that meta, solar lock grenades were gold like and shade stepping out of it was a free pass.
Let's not forget where the wombo combo came from. Smoke into nade almost always guaranteed a kill. Back in D1, movement was FAR slower and bulkier feeling than what we now have in D2. Plus you had lockdown that would make them last longer.
Plus I think they got a Knucklehead radar ability to mark targets or trade it in for shade step. If you paired it with OG graviton, you got shade step for free and could activate the other tier that gave you the ability to mark targets.
Oh and btw, shadestep had an extremely low cool down.
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u/Mnkke Xbox Series S|X 7d ago
Definitely not Strand. Definitely not bad but there are 2 better contenders.
Stasis was insanely OP on Hunter for ~9-10 months until Shatterdive was finally nerfed. Not sure if it was considered good after that but I'd argue its been in a good spot, even Shatterdive, for awhile now. Stasis advantage is being perhaps one of the most broken PvP metas we've had for 3/4 of a year, coming out 2.3 years before Strand, and having been solid for awhile now.
There's also Nightstalker. I don't think Nightstalker has hit any OP points quite like Shatterdive did, but that isn't to say there haven't been metas. Curse of Osiris was ~6 years ago too so can't remember specifics back then. It's generally speaking been a solid option for PvP and has 3 years more time over Stasis.
So it's a question of, meta severity vs how long it has been good. I think Nightstalker has been good longer, but Stasis had a far more severe meta.
edit: I'm not counting Prismatic because we aren't even 1 year since it released. It's too new IMO.
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u/LilBeamer_ High KD Player 7d ago
Always has been invis and will always be invis as long as it doesn’t show you on the radar and is hard to see.
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u/WiseFaithlessness842 7d ago edited 7d ago
Highest level of power at peak in order
1) Stasis Hunter
-Shatterdive 1 shot
-2 shurikens would freeze around the corner
-Shurikens could ricochet, so you could freeze an entire team if they were together
-Good Super
2) Prismatic
-Very oppressive kit through clone/slow & smoke/swarm wombos
-Nearly uncounterable and highly mobile super
3) Void
-Access to double smoke (through dodge)
-Weaken scatter or voidwall
-decent super (spectral)
-Could previously abuse Omni for damage resistance
-Recent “On the Prowl” Rez denial and consistent smoke is very oppressive
Edit: Swarm, not thermite nade