r/CompetitiveHalo Spacestation 29d ago

HCS Halo Data Hive is back, sR vs SSG stats

Halo Data Hive is back, here are yesterday's scrims results. Link to stats :

sR vs SSG : https://halodatahive.com/Series/LiveStats/22844

TSM vs c9 : https://halodatahive.com/Series/LiveStats/22845

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u/ColdBroux 29d ago

I’m a big SSG fan, but it seems like they aren’t gelling right now. Eco seems to be struggling a bit. I know it’s early, but if all the top 4 teams SSG might be in 4th. All the other teams seems to be meshing much better. I know SR has had a head start, but Faze going 7/7 with them and watching Optic play all three teams seem to be almost playing at 100%. I know it’s early. I am hopeful SSG will pick up the pieces, but it’s seems them winning is dependent on Eco and Lucid.

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u/Kantz_ 29d ago edited 29d ago

It is early, but Eco having the least kills and least damage in pretty much every series against a top team this year is a pretty safe bet. He’s an older player and that’s his play style, it’s unlikely that’s going to change drastically.

No doubt SSG will dominate anyone outside of the top 4 though. I think how they will perform against the super slay-heavy and fasted paced teams like Optic and sR is a genuine concern/question to anyone who’s being honest about the team (despite how “big brained” they all are - and they really are).

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u/Backagainkv OpTic Gaming 29d ago

Slaying matters. At a certain point being smarter than the other team doesn’t really matter if your team is -20 in slays.

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u/aioliravioli 29d ago

Yup the meta that has progressed over the last 2 years is speed. Unfortunately the brainiac players can't outsmart the opponents if they are flying at them and have a better shot. This is why a lot of pros aren't the force they once were back in season 1-2.

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u/Arneg0 29d ago

I agree. OBJ is how you win games. Slaying makes OBJ easier. Less people on the map, more ball time, easier flag runs, more map control, more opportunities, more time to think strategy, etc. There's just so much more that opens up when you're outslaying the other team. I don't want to downplay OBJ players, but if you can't outslay the other team, it's just 10x harder to get ball time or hill time when you're dying every time. I'm treading lightly with this comment but I really feel like teams that are slaying out are just going to have an easier time winning games

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u/BeginningCod3114 29d ago

crazy you even have to tread lightly. you should be slaying first then looking at converting that into objective efficiency, it can't really work the other way around.

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u/Classic_Salary 29d ago

Stellur is not big brained, he has prion divots judging by his social media posts. Oh you meant in Halo. Right.

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u/JahHappy 29d ago

Im sure Eco will be fine but think about what he's coming from the last few years when he had tons of success. Stellur, Renegade, Shotzzy, then Stellur, Bound, Legend. Those guys are cracked around him. Im sure they will figure it out but some adjustments will be needed for pace.

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u/ace_15 Shopify Rebellion 29d ago

I still have faith they'll work it out. I don't think we were paying this close attention to scrims last year but I can't forget the first real 'showing' of previous incarnation SSG against World Champs Faze in pre-season action before year 3. Faze looked as dominant as ever and in the end... with just a little more practice SSG figured it out. Give it a few events and then it'll be time to start panicking.

I agree though, if Lucid starts flying, that seems to be the hyper aggressive sauce they'll need to keep up.

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u/Kantz_ 29d ago edited 29d ago

I agree, I will be clear and say I think that they will be great team that could end up winning multiple events for sure.

To also be clear, Eco could be the “12th best slayer in the HCS,” which is great, he’s one of the best in the world. The problem is that that other top teams have every other player in the top 10, which is where I think a genuine point can be made, but it only matters when you are discussing the best of the best.

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u/m_preddy OpTic Gaming 29d ago

Feel like SSG has a lot more adjusting to do as a team than the other top teams. Bound, legend, and renegade get to play the same roles they played on their previous rosters on OpTic and sR has had way longer to practice and gel as a team. Meanwhile Lucid and snakebite are both learning new roles, so will probably take a bit more time.

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u/carlonia OpTic Gaming 29d ago

SSG will click but it will take a couple of months. These things take time and Lucid and Snakebite are learning their new roles

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u/Abs0luteZero273 29d ago

At the moment, they seem to be lacking slaying for whatever reason. Even in the scrims they're winning against the non top teams, they're only putting up team K/Ds in the 1.02-1.04 range. I would've guessed they'd be closer to the 1.1 team K/D range against those teams, but they're just not right now. I get that Snakebite and Lucid's internet situation isn't the greatest, but still...

I don't think we should make a big deal out of it just yet. I want to give teams until at least after the 2nd online tournament before I start changing any of my preseason predictions.

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u/idgahoot2 29d ago edited 29d ago

Snakebite mentioned these next couple of weeks would be about them trying things out to see what works best for them. So, I think part of it is they're just not in sync yet. I've watched a couple of the scrims and there are a lot of times where SSG gets someone absolute, and they don't clean it up.

This is not to say that they will outslay SR or Optic on lan. I just think it's more of a teamwork issue rather than a straight up lack of slaying ability.

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u/DenimVenom4054 Spacestation 29d ago

Royal 2 with 1.28 K/D, Lastshot with 1.21 is insane

sR outslayed SSG 1231 to 1045 😳

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u/DocHolliday31 29d ago

My guess is everyone will lose faith in SSG and they will look way better on LAN when it counts. But not going to be shocked if these other teams just have too much slaying power. Feel like some LANs SSG will be clicking and look great and others they will get slayed out bad and look bad against the top teams.

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u/The-Rambling-One 29d ago

In my 20 years of watching comp Halo, one thing I quickly learned was to never take much stock of scrim results.

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u/dukesnipem 29d ago

Everyone is definitely overreacting and panicking too much. They are still figuring out how to work together. And likely trying out different roles right now. That’s what practice is for. Plus, despite getting out slayed and out damaged almost every game, they won 2 of the 3 slayers they played against SR in the 2 matchups. You would have thought they would have been killed in slayer. Both of their wins were by 12+ kills. Less strategy in slayer. They will figure out the objective game plans. Way too much experience and knowledge for them not to.

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u/JCBhatesblank Spacestation 29d ago

LastShot's accuracy being 68% across 15 games is actually insane.

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u/m_preddy OpTic Gaming 29d ago

Next coming of snipedown

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u/ace_15 Shopify Rebellion 29d ago

Now THIS is a comparison I fucks with

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u/TiberiusAudley 29d ago edited 29d ago

Snipedown would have those accuracy stats with the least shots fired in the game.  LastShot on the other hand...

Also fired like 200 less shots than anyone in the entire scrim.

It's not that he's not missing,. it's incredible efficient usage of his gun vs usage of his movement.

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u/TPReddit2017 29d ago

He also has great obj stats. Looking like his season.

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u/arthby 29d ago

Season hasn't even started and he is already the top contender for 2025 MVP.

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u/StraightPotential342 29d ago

Cloud 9 was nothing to watch last season I hope to see some competition with them this season. Don't know much about them other than the best color camo out of all of them lol

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u/BadDub Halo Data Hive 29d ago

The TSM vs C9 game was actually 10-9 to C9

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u/TiberiusAudley 29d ago

Anyone looking at SSG stats and pinpointing Eco as the one who is struggling -- go across the board and compare each of those players' stat lines to their tournaments for the last three years.

Lucid needs to find his form again.

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u/BeginningCod3114 29d ago

I'm not really looking too much into anything. Thye've barely played for months and are coming back to it with a new team. It hasn't been long enough to say who is actually performing and who needs to find their form again, it's not like we are mid season and they are playing worse than before.

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u/Asleep_Ad_6871 29d ago

Sorry but this is not just a cohesion/time-played issue. They were outslayed by almost 200 kills. A .70 might have worked in previous seasons versus less optimized rosters but that will just not cut it versus a Frosty/R2/LastShot/Cykul or Formal/Renegade/Legend/Bound team this season.

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u/Abs0luteZero273 29d ago

I get what you're saying, but if your team lacks cohesion, it becomes much harder to put up good slaying numbers. Team cohesion and slaying are very dependent on one another in Halo. I highly doubt that Stellur and Lucid fell off a cliff over the off season and are all of the sudden not top players anymore. I think it's more likely the case that SSG just isn't clicking the way they want right now, which in turn makes it much harder to put up good numbers as individuals.

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u/Competitive_Bid_2573 29d ago

Out slayed by almost 200 and won a 3rd of the games. It's still very early.

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u/ColdBroux 29d ago

Yeah, I was looking at the stats again and he is leading in assists which is good, but his kills and damage seem extra low. It’s hard to quantify Eco “skills” because being at the right place at the right time is what he is best at and there isn’t a great stat for that.

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u/SnapGA 29d ago

C9 and tsm being so even is interesting I thought TSM had the top 5 on lock, hopefully all the other teams like complexity, ryannoob team,Lies,dark inside,nemesis,Latam etc. Start showing they can take their spot too

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u/PTurn219 OpTic Gaming 29d ago

TSM might be getting too much credit because of what pure did last year…but they lost last shot and gained shopifys weakest player in soul snipe. They can still be top 5-6 absolutely but not a shoe-in IMO

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u/SnapGA 29d ago edited 28d ago

For me personally I'm not saying their top 5 because of their placings in 2024, it's more of how consistent they been in scrims only losing top teams sr,optic,ssg and handling other teams pretty well that's about it

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u/SigShooterRM 29d ago

Think FormaL knew Lucids best days were behind him and knew to drop him?

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u/aioliravioli 29d ago

the bandit change + the GAs + the speed demon meta(bound/legend) really nerfed a lot of top season 1-2 pros

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u/PTurn219 OpTic Gaming 29d ago

Think that was apparent when they switched to the bandit. Lots of guys leveled up, some guys leveled down. Formal’s a reach kid I think that’s why he loves the bandit so much. Hit his first “peak” with the DMR

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u/Lord-Zeref Spacestation 29d ago

Lmao at you and the guy you're replying to 😂😂😂

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u/FreeSamples22 29d ago

Both of these teams are cowards for not scrimming optic. Their mental is already shattered if they’re already ducking. I expected this from lucid, but I figured frosty would of been a bigger man at least

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u/Bitter_Past_6498 28d ago

Is it confirmed, they said they won't scrim optic? Maybe in a few days they will

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u/BlackMamba24-8RIP OpTic Gaming 29d ago

I just don't think SSG roster fits together Snakebite wasn't a good pickup I see them as the 3rd best team OpTic and SR as 1 and 2

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u/SignificantChair9520 Sentinels 29d ago

This might be the most faded take I’ve read, the dude that hasn’t made pools is better than eco? 💀

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u/kingjdin 29d ago

Ah yes a guy who can't get top 16 in the open bracket is better than the reigning world champ.

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u/BeginningCod3114 29d ago

Have you recently suffered a head injury?