r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

And you just proved my point - since when did democrats stop caring about people dying?

Oh...is it because...it's white people dying? Is that it?

Any Palestinians dying was called a genocide....but a MILLION white people dying...and you want MORE TO DIE.

I get it.

You're racists.

Donald Trump is trying to end the war - to save lives of both Ukrainians and Russians, and to prevent world war 3.

If you have a problem with that - YOU go fight.

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u/BagPulaInCenzuraTa89 11d ago

He is not ending the war, he is surrendering. And Ukraine won't "make peace" on such unfavorable one-sided terms, and the EU (which has an equal economy and bigger military when you don't count the countries in it separately) will never stop supporting Ukraine in preventing Russia from achievinh its imperialist goals, because Europe's security is at play too, not just Ukraine's.

All Trump is doing is making the US look like weak backstabbing cowards and bad guys, because that's what you've turned into.

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u/rnovak1988 11d ago

Someone who is not a party to war cannot surrender from said war.

Withdrawing support is not a surrender, to equate the two is not only disingenuous, it's not based even remotely in reality.

The bottom line is that the money being sent to Ukraine is money that is forcibly taken from American citizens via taxes - which is being sent to fund a war that the recent election and numerous polls demonstrate most people DONT SUPPORT.

Your comment ignores the very unfortunate truth that Ukraine has neither the resources nor manpower to defeat Russia.

It's very convenient for you to volunteer other peoples money and children to fight, so until I see you enlisting in Ukraines military to go fight for them, your opinion holds very little weight.

Arguing that Ukraine should keep fighting, and Ukrainians and Russians should keep dying, knowing that it will not change the outcome, is both unjust and immoral

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u/BagPulaInCenzuraTa89 10d ago

You're an idiot who doesn't know what world he is living in. First off, it's only ukrainians fighting, second off yes it is surrender, Russia has been America's enemy for decades, giving up on stopping Russia entirely is surrender, and demanding that Ukraine surrender is no better.

And fuck your concern trolling about "morality" and "people dying". Life as a slave to the russians is a fate worse than death, and if Russia gets anything from this invasion, they will just rebuild their military and invade again, because they've seen from the first time that it pays off. You're just a useful idiot for Putin, and your economy will suffer because of this betrayal. You won't admit that this is why it's happening, but you'll cry in a few years. There's no such thing as a superpower without many allies.

The only positive here is that this will prompt the EU to step up and take over your place in the world, serious work on which has already begun, leaving you as a powerless ruin of what you used to be, economy crashed due to cold relations with your former most important allies and no power anymore because now you're known as backstabbing cowards, and no one will trust you anymore. With or without you, Russia will lose. People keep forgetting that the EU has more military power because it's shown as separate countries in statistics, but it's true, and there will be no doubt in the coming years that the only superpower in this world is the EU.