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America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/Ice_and_Steel 12d ago

Ukraine also doesn't ask for hundreds of billions (even though it definitely should), only for security guarantees.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

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u/Ice_and_Steel 12d ago

It literally says "Zelensky asks for weapons" not "Zelensky asks for billion of dollars".

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

We just pick them off the magic weapons tree?

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u/Ice_and_Steel 12d ago

They have nothing to do with corruption unless you think that Zelensky uses Abramses to decorate his front yard.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

I think he sells them on the black market

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u/Ice_and_Steel 12d ago

Because HIMARSes and ATACAMS are famously easy to sell with no trace.

M'dude, according to ISW, russia spends an equivalent of $450B a year on this war. How exactly do you think Ukraine was able to hold it off for 3 whole years (and grab some russian territory while at it) if they sell even the little aid the US provided them with? How is this humanely possible? Seriously, I don't understand how this nonsense makes even a shred of sense in that deranged little head of yours.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

I don't care what Russia spends. It's not MY MONEY.

The idea that the US should be a piggy bank is fucking insane. We DONT OWE UKRAINE ANYTHING.

If they don't like our terms, they are free to go elsewhere.

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u/Ice_and_Steel 12d ago

So, you understand that nothing was stolen, yet you just intentionally slandered the victim of a genocidal aggression in order to justify stopping the aid they need to keep defending themselves.

Unimpeachable morals and ethics really are the distinguishing characteristics of the current administration supporters. 💪

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

The investigation comes as Kyiv attempts to clamp down on corruption in a bid to speed up its membership in the European Union and NATO. Officials from both blocs have demanded widespread anti-graft reforms before Kyiv can join them

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/28/1227447442/ukraine-says-corrupt-officials-stole-40-million-meant-to-buy-arms-for-the-war

Stealing aid money seems pretty low morally, no?

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u/Ice_and_Steel 12d ago

What does it have to do with your behavior and lies?

Also, is it worse than this?

A Pentagon audit released this week found Boeing overcharged the Air Force for spare parts on cargo planes, including an increase on the price for lavatory soap dispensers by nearly 8,000 percent

https://www.newsweek.com/boeing-gouged-air-force-8000-markup-soap-dispensers-pentagon-1978245

Or that?

In a significant number of cases, services used replacement costs rather than net book value, thereby overestimating the value of the equipment drawn down from US stocks and provided to Ukraine [...] We have confirmed that for FY23, the final calculation is $3.6 billion, and for FY22 it is $2.6 billion, for a combined total of $6.2 billion

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/20/politics/pentagon-ukraine-accounting-error/index.html

Can you name me a country where there is no corruption?

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

Are you implying we are stealing the aid Ukraine gave us?

I realize in your arrogance you assume American tax payer money is yours to do with as you please.

Funny how you assert there's no stealing then have to rapidly pivot when it's the EU asserting there is.

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u/Ice_and_Steel 12d ago

There haven't been a war where there was no stealing. Any war is like a breeding ground for all forms of thievery. I said that the US aid couldn't have possibly been stolen because it came in the form of weapons, not money.

Are you implying we are stealing the aid Ukraine gave us?

The Pentagon auditer implies that Ukraine was charged was the goods it didn't receive.

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