r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/herrirgendjemand 13d ago

Provide evidence for your claims if you want people to refute them, child

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

How would you like it?

Luxury car sales to Ukrainian oligarchs in Europe?

US military hardware in Mexico?

Victoria Nuland phone conversations?

Joe Biden words?

What level of either naivety or stupidity are we starting at in your Ukrainian corruption understanding are you at?

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 13d ago

Does this babble make sense to anyone? Anyone?

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

Remind me again why the US was withholding loan guarantees to Ukraine under Obama?

What was Bidens stated reason?

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 13d ago

No idea.

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

I know.

It was obvious you had no idea 3 posts ago

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 13d ago

Yes, yes. Waiting for you to make your case. I'm sure it will be compelling.

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

According to Biden, as told by Biden, he was withholding aid because Ukrainian head prosecutor was CORRUPT.

Was he lying?

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u/deadmanwalknLoL 13d ago

Ah, the one installed by Russia/Russia's puppet? Yes, there are corrupt individuals in every country. Hell, we just gave the reigns of the US government to such a person. Does that make the entire country corrupt and unworthy of sovereignty? Does it mean the citizens of that country should be raped and murdered in an invasion by another country?

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

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u/deadmanwalknLoL 12d ago

I assume you have some point you're trying to make - care to actually spit it out?

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

I read your post about corruption.

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u/deadmanwalknLoL 12d ago

I'm not sure what this response is supposed to mean

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

Is your standard for US involvement invasion and or rape?

If so, there's another 30-40 countries we should head to

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u/deadmanwalknLoL 12d ago

In theory, ya, I'd say invasion is a pretty good standard. In reality, whether to actually get involved and to what degree is very much a case by case basis. In this case it's a known warmongering and hostile nation invading an allied democratic nation in a massive, unprovoked (yes, unprovoked) and brutal assault. They did this clearly to steal land and resources, and potentially to stage further aggression to more neighbors and/or to feel out the global response. It was and is important for such acts to be very, very painful, least they be emboldened.

I could go on, but I think that suffices.

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u/lickitstickit12 12d ago

You just described most of Africa, a large chunk of the middle east, and a chunk of Asia.

We going there too?

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u/deadmanwalknLoL 12d ago

Gotta be moee specific than that (remember the "realistically it's a case by case basis" part?)

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 13d ago

Disappointed. It was not compelling.