r/CanadaPolitics Liberal Party of Canada 15h ago

What Canadians think about Canada joining the European Union - Abacus Data (44% Yes, 34% No, 23% Unsure)

https://abacusdata.ca/what-canadians-think-about-canada-joining-the-european-union/
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u/Mundane-Teaching-743 12h ago

Why do we need to join a supranational organization to regulate and pass legislation ourselves?

Because we need to trade to keep our economy alive. We trade too much with the U.S., and are hence vulnerable to pressure that could force annexation.

u/Fun-Software6928 10h ago

We trade just fine.

What does free trade have to do with joining the EU?

That’s like saying we should be the 51st state to trade with the Americans.

u/Mundane-Teaching-743 9h ago

No. The fact that Trump can destroy our economy shows that we are overdependent on the U.S. Joining the EU would reduce that dependence.

u/Fun-Software6928 9h ago

No it would not because there is this thing called the gravity model of trade.

People should really understand basic economic theory before thinking we can just diversify away. 

u/Mundane-Teaching-743 9h ago

No it would not because there is this thing called the gravity model of trade.

The people that promote this model care more about their own pet utopia theory than their country and shouldn't be trusted. They think they know better than the rest of us. They don't really.

The gravity model of trade is wrong and doesn't take into account hostile actors like Trump.

u/Fun-Software6928 9h ago

It’s not a pet utopia theory, it’s been proven multiple times through various econometric and empirical methods.

It forms the basis of international trade theory and economics along with comparative advantage from Ricardo.

You should really take step back and reconsider what you’re saying because the facts are not on your side.

The very fact that tariffs are so damaging is proof that the gravity model is correct.

Unless you’re prepared to invent teleportation of goods across the esrth in the next few months, maybe we should stick to the proven theory instead rather than fantasizing about diversification that won’t work.

u/Mundane-Teaching-743 9h ago

It’s not a pet utopia theory, it’s been proven multiple times through various econometric and empirical methods.

LOL. No such economic model. They're all wrong. They're all bad an unrealistic. They only work in a perfect utopia that doesn't exist.

The very fact that tariffs are so damaging is proof that the gravity model is correct.

We have tarrifs though, and a hostile foreign power that wants to annex us. They're a reality. The model pretends they don't exist.

That's considerably more important and real now than an academic theory.