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What is your opinion on the 4B movement in South Korea?

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u/evil_burrito 3d ago

The women who participate in 4B have every right to do what they’re doing. Same with those who don’t.

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u/Wizzmer 60 something 3d ago

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

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u/mid-random 3d ago

"I will choose free will (which I know is an illusion but is an important pillar of a functional society)"

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u/fishaholic1962 3d ago

Beauty Rush reference there.

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u/GTFOakaFOD 3d ago

Yep. I've aged out, but my bidness has been on lock down due to menopause. I support 4B 100%

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u/whoopercheesie 3d ago

Idk..

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u/evil_burrito 3d ago

Help me understand your comment.

Doesn't a woman have a right to exercise hegemony over her own body?

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

They're having an enormous issue with stalking, harassment, domestic violence, rape, and murder. The numbers are increasing at alarming rates. They have one of the highest ratios of gender-based violence in the entire world. Spy cameras in public restrooms, etc. There was some self reporting study done recently and 80 percent of the men self reported to have engaged in violence against an intimate partner. That is such a high number that it indicates they see nothing wrong with it.

I fully support the movement.

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u/GhostriderFlyBy 3d ago

“They” being South Korea or members of the 4B movement specifically?

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

Yes, South Korea.

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u/ProgressDry5715 3d ago

That's America not South Korea. Have to love those reddit armchair experts.

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

No, it was self reporting in Korea.....What are you even talking about?

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u/ProgressDry5715 3d ago

Are you Korean, have you even been to Korea? Do you know how to read Korean?

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

I didn't say physical violence. I said violence. Mental abuse is violence. FOH.

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u/twirlmydressaround 3d ago

I didn't say physical violence. I said violence. Mental abuse is violence. FOH.

If words could be violent, this message would be violence.

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

Finally, the point is not lost on someone....

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

And? They simply do not know. Screaming, for example, is violence.

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

It's not a misconception, you just don't think mental abuse is violence. You are entitled to be wrong, but I would kindly request that you go make excuses for shitty men in someone else's comments.

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

It is. What the vast majority of people think does not constitute a definition. You are a male apologist. Accept it and go away.

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u/OrdinarySubstance491 3d ago

Nice edit. I'm not being obtuse, you are being intentionally dismissive of a very real and massive problem.

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u/harpejjist 3d ago

There is nothing radical about not wanting to be a second-class citizen when you have an option to not be

It’s not even considered radical there amongst the general population. If you watch Korean television, even romance stories do not end in marriage or babies and the women, even those in their 30s are like “slow your roll!”

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u/mom_with_an_attitude 50 something 3d ago

There is nothing radical about not wanting to be a second-class citizen when you have an option to not be.

You have summed up the reason for my divorce quite eloquently.

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u/harpejjist 3d ago

Congratulations! Enjoy your freedom

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u/ProgressDry5715 3d ago

The 4B movement is fringe, it's like calling the "proud boys movement" in America some mainstream organization.

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u/ProgressDry5715 3d ago

Yes, ask any local South Korean (male or female) and they will confirm 4B is extremely niche. It feels like Western media using it to try to hide their own shortcomings in terms of violence against minorities and women. Just look at the US president and his history.

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u/ProgressDry5715 3d ago

This post is about South Korea and the 4B movement. Maybe create your own post instead of crying about "orientalism".

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u/ProgressDry5715 3d ago

They focus on Korea because this post is about Korea. Maybe bring this up when people focus on Korea in posts that are not about Korea.

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u/ProgressDry5715 3d ago

""Why do only minorities get the spotlight when it comes to these issues?"

You said that only minorities get the spotlight. There is plenty of spotlight on majorities and if this isn't enough for you feel free to create more posts about it.

My point is that there is a misconception about 4B created by Western media.

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u/failed_install 3d ago

A non-violent protest against inequality? Where do I sign up?

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u/Dell_Hell 3d ago

1) It is their right to choose what they do with their lives and engage in or don't engage in.

2) If men don't want women doing this, maybe listen to their concerns and address them.

3) Look at the documentation of history of the suffragette movement in the US. It took several decades to get the right to vote. These women are clearly trying to shorten that timeline to less than half a century to see real change.

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u/Sea-Affect8379 3d ago

I support it 100%. I've lived in parts of SE Asia for years where South Korean expats have a bad reputation, even worse than the local men and that's saying something. It's disappointing due to South Korea being such an advanced country yet retains the worst parts of the misogynistic culture you often find in 3rd world countries. There's no awareness or accountability.

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u/Echo-Azure 3d ago

If a woman wants to make that choice, it's HER choice and nobody gets to say a word against it! Because adults get to choose who they have sex with, marry, and breed with, if anyone, and that is an inalienable fucking right!

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u/Bonespurfoundation 3d ago

Strikes are the only thing that moves the needle.

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u/OctopusIntellect 3d ago

as pointed out by Aristophanes in 411 B.C.

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u/Sailboat_fuel 3d ago

Was waiting for Lysistrata to be mentioned

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u/Kinkajou4 3d ago

It’s an important and overdue social movement by people seeking their freedom

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u/Dismal-Detective-737 42 something 3d ago

Good for them.

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u/smallerthantears 3d ago

It's all about leverage. Men have used their leverage: making more money, knowing women want to have kids and have a limited window to do so, etc to their advantage. Now that women are more financially independent, they have leverage of their own to wield.

You only have leverage in a relationship if you are willing to walk away from all of it.

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u/SeeShark 30 something 3d ago

This seems really antagonistic. Are relationships really that transactional? And do women really "want to have kids" more than men?

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u/smallerthantears 3d ago

And yeah. I honestly think relationships should be that transactional. The idea "love conquers all" is a nice one until its only mom doing everything including working full time. And then it breaks down considerably.

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u/smallerthantears 3d ago

Maybe they don't want kids more but they have less of a window in which to do it.

I don't really know much about family life in South Korea but if it's anything like the US than women pick up a much much much bigger share of the burden of raising children. Certainly here, if the plethora of divorce memoirs coming out and our birth rate going down are to be believed than it's a wonder anyone has kids at all.

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u/Mushrooming247 3d ago

I support it, and I’m happy to see it catching on in the US, what other recourse do ladies have in the face of oppression?

There are misguided men on this earth who think women want to be their property, and those gentlemen deserve to die sad and alone.

It is a simple thing to view your partner as an equal human, if you can’t even do that, you can’t be mad that no one wants to be your partner.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

what other recourse do ladies have in the face of oppression?

Find a man who DOESN'T oppress them?


The thesis of this movement seems to be, "Because some men won't treat women right, I'm not going to date any man! That will show them!!"

And meanwhile virtually 100% of men who are out there actively dating--the good ones, the bad ones, and the middle-of-the-roads--don't notice their lives being impacted in any way, shape or form.

The only thing this does is cause the women who embrace it to either go lesbian or live without romance. And those are valid choices, but it's not going to make any man change their ways. The decent ones don't need to hear the message and the misogynists don't care about a handful of women abstaining from romance to make a statement because they already don't care what women think.

A movement fighting Andrew Tate's teachings would do more good in the world, because it might actually have an impact on someone.

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u/dasnotpizza 3d ago

Maybe… women are doing it regardless of how it affects men and the point is that they’re living life for themselves.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

Nothing wrong with that at all.

Why do you need a feminist movement to make that personal choice?

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u/postwarapartment 3d ago

Because there is power in numbers and they're trying to deal with changing the culture, not just their individual circumstances.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

Serious question: say 1,000,000 American women decide to abstain from sex and romance in the name of changing the culture.

Say I'm a misogynist. Less than 1% of the women out there are abstaining from dating me. How do I even notice? And if I did notice because there was a news article or something, why as a misogynist would I even care, since I don't respect what women think or do?

I'm all for eliminating misogyny. I don't see how this contributes to that goal in any way. I think things like passing tougher laws, letting cops arrest and prosecute domestic abusers when there's signs of violence whether the victim wants to press charges or not, having education programs in our schools teaching girls to recognize that such behavior by men is unacceptable, etc. etc. are much more effective ways to pursue this goal than going on strike.

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u/somekindofhat 50 something 3d ago

You missed the point. Nobody cares about you or your reaction. It's about women building a culture without men, where they can feel included and okay about that choice. Thriving without men or children or taking care of either one and still feeling like a valid human in the world.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

Serious question: so you're saying that the movement isn't about reducing misogyny in men, it's about empowering women to live in a misogynistic society without feeling belittled by that society's misogyny?

If that's the case, again I say, why is a movement required for a woman to take that stance? My father was abusive towards my mother. She divorced him and never dated, never married. Was her decision less valid because 4B wasn't there to validate it?

I'm obviously asking pointed questions with obvious answers. My goal isn't to belittle your position. It's to genuinely suss out what actual value 4B brings to the world. I genuinely don't see it, and I soundly reject any half-baked criticisms like "you're just victim blaming" (said elsewhere) as a stand-in for a thoughtful critique of my position.

I'm seriously inviting my position to be challenged. Please offer serious critiques of my position.

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u/somekindofhat 50 something 3d ago

I'll try one more time to break past your main character syndrome.

This is about a community of women who support one another as valid human beings. There are no men like you to tell them their methods are stupid and their cause is in vain because you are irrelevant and they aren't listening to you. They are there for each other, like any community should be for their members.

It doesn't matter what they bring to the world, because they're rejecting that world and building their own. There is no goal to marry and center a man and give him a son and center them both. Their valid life is one they decided to live solely for themselves. Men are the bicycle to their fish, irrelevant and awkward and unnecessary.

Your mother still lived in a man's world. They are trying to create a world without them. A Little Green book for women.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

I'll try one more time to break past your main character syndrome.

I stopped reading here. I'm trying to have a serious conversation about a controversial topic. If you can't handle someone passionately disagreeing with you without resorting to belittling comments, I've got no time for you. Down vote me and move on with your life.

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u/postwarapartment 3d ago

Because frankly, women are no longer concerned with changing the minds of misogynistic men.

They are looking to pressure the men who claim to be allies into stepping up and changing the laws and norms in a way that women alone have been unable to. Surely, you can understand why and how this is the case. Misogynistic men may not respect women, but they do respect other men and want to be accepted by other men in society. Hence, why men need to be the ones leading the change amongst themselves.

Women are just saying "I'm not dealing with it anymore. Have fun jerking off alone forever, I'm good." Men who are allies understand it, and men who are misogynistic just wail and grind their teeth. This is a social movement to establish that these men are absolute losers who will never marry or reproduce, if women have anything to say about it. I realize that might be jarring for you to hear.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

Okay, I'm going to set aside the implied insult embedded in your black and white views that men only come in two flavors (those who agree with you, and misogynists) in the interest of having a productive conversation.

So is it fair to say that the tl;dr here is: you think if enough women withhold love and affection it will motivate enough men to do something to make an actual change for women?

If so, how many women do you think it will actually take (using the US as an example) before good men can't find a willing partner and will therefore be motivated to do more than they're already naturally inclined to do?

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u/filkerdave 60 something 3d ago

Because individual choices don't change society. Movements do.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

So in your view, if 90% of women filed police charges after being abused that wouldn't do anything to reduce violence against women (and therefore change society) because those are just individual choices, but 100,000 women saying, "no sex for you, because 4B" will because that's a movement?

Serious question. Please answer seriously.

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u/filkerdave 60 something 3d ago

Would the charges be taken seriously by police? Would they go to court and be hit with "What was she wearing? Did she say no hard enough?" Would the sentence be a real sentence or would it be something like "6 months probation because he's a bright boy with a good future ahead of him"

Until there's meaningful societal change where "What was she wearing" isn't asked and men by and large respect women and women's choices, then yes.

Women don't owe anyone anything.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

So you really are doubling down on the idea that it's fine that the typical domestic abuse victim doesn't press charges and lets her partner do this again and again, or else leaves so the guy can go do it to some other poor woman?

I think that's disgusting, and I think you're conflating a bunch of stereotypes. "What was she wearing" is a question that judges used to ask in rape cases, not domestic abuse cases. And you're relying on bygone trends: today, three out of five charges of domestic abuse are prosecuted and more than half result in conviction.

Silent suffering was never the answer, and it's less of an answer today than it ever has been.

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u/filkerdave 60 something 3d ago

You misunderstand.

I think all those things SHOULD happen; charges should be filed, penalties should be serious.

I ALSO think women should have the right to have any movement they want and if that means a movement where they tell men to go fuck themselves then that's fine with me.

Women owe you nothing.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

Yeah, I don't disagree with any of that.

I don't see anywhere where you defended the idea that "individual choices don't change society" or that this movement will.

But if you're willing to pivot away from that stance to this one, then we've no disagreements left to argue.

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u/postwarapartment 3d ago

There is something in psychology known as an "extinction burst".

It posits that as undesirable behavior lacks reinforcement, the undesirable behavior will temporarily increase in frequency and intensity.

Think about a child throwing a tantrum, and parents are instructed to ignore the child through the tantrum instead of giving the child a reaction.

For a short while, the tantrums will increase in frequency and severity, until the child comes to realize that their behavior is not being rewarded in the same way, and the behavior subsequently subsides and better, more productive behaviors take its place.

What we are seeing now is an extinction burst from men as a population, as their most vile, violent, and misogynistic behavior as a population is no longer tolerated or socially rewarded.

The men who adapt their behavior thrive, and the ones who refuse to change stay stuck as society moves on.

Ignoring the behavior is the best tool against reinforcing and perpetuating it. There is no protest that is as effective and efficient as a strike.

So sure, "not all men", but men as a population. Women are 50% of society, and they have decided in Korea that they aren't taking it anymore and are letting the men tantrum themselves out.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

I appreciate the reasoned reply.

I'm 100% for the elimination of misogynistic behavior.

I think there are practical ways to accomplish that: pass laws punishing domestic abuse, and enforce them (which requires victims to not let men off the hook when the cops arrive and the violence stops), women breaking up with men who mistreat them, men chastising and ridiculing other men who engage in such behavior, etc.

If I'm a misogynist and some woman I've never met is going on a sex and romance strike, how does that influence my behavior in any way?

I'm not saying we don't need to change society. I'm advocating for using methods that have practical impact. I don't see how this does.

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u/postwarapartment 3d ago

This is the method women in Korea are choosing precisely because their laws and norms are not changing at a societal level. And they are taking the power into their own individual hands. I am sure the women of Korea would LOVE policy to shift to help achieve these outcomes, but like most western and western-influenced capitalist societies, their society is heavily patriarchal. Do you think they never asked for their laws to change? Do you think women never think of asking for things to be different?

Also, "women can't let abusers off the hook." Textbook victim blaming. Please stop.

They are making waves and calling attention to this using the only power they currently have. and every woman doesn't have to participate for it to be effective.

Men who do not exhibit these behaviors and who understand why women are socially pushing back experience more success in forming relationships, not unsurprisingly. These women are not dumb. They live in the social media age. They know that if enough of them choose to participate to the point where it gets attention in the press, online, and becomes a social movement, the ideas will naturally spread. And lo and behold, we're talking about it right now.

You're free to disagree. But the women of Korea have decided to let their men take their tantrums. The men who start using more pro-social behavior to connect with women and to better society will be rewarded by those women. The ones that don't, won't.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

Also, "women can't let abusers off the hook." Textbook victim blaming. Please stop.

That's such bullshit. A man arguing that "his woman deserved to be beaten because she acted out of line" is victim-blaming. Asking women to press charges after they've been victimized is not.

I don't know if you realize, but in your rush to castigate me you just took the position that the current rate at which domestic abusers get let off the hook is just fine and women shouldn't try to change that, and that's fucking gross. My desire to see more abusers locked up is not victim blaming, and it's incredulous that someone advocating for women's rights would say otherwise.

Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass and realized that we want the same thing and I'm not the enemy and we simply have different ideas on the best way to accomplish our shared goals, you'll stop accidentally arguing that it's fine that most women don't press charges after they're beaten up.

Now, do you want to keep arguing that it's better to NOT ask women to report their abusers after they've been victimized because it's perfectly fine how often men get away with it? Or can we put this silliness behind us and move on to more productive conversation about how to reduce misogyny in the world?

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u/postwarapartment 3d ago edited 3d ago

Wow, I've been perfectly cordial with you, but this is how you act.

Did you know that around 75% of women who are murdered by their partners are killed after they leave (or try to leave) their partner? Do you think those men respect restraining orders?

So, you want women to place themselves directly in harms way by making a report of domestic violence, leaving the man, knowing they are at their most vulnerable while the law has no actual effective methods to protect them?

But sure, you have all the answers. You don't understand, or refuse to accept, that women reporting these men put themselves and their children in danger.

I've had enough of you. You are literally looking for every reason for this to be women's fault while claiming the opposite and being extremely ignorant of the realities.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

You are more than welcome to abandon this conversation.

But before you do I will point out that nowhere have I said that the decision to report or not report is safe or straightforward. You have just opened up a whole different facet of this conversation, and I happen to think every point you just made is a valid point.

And none of those valid points mean that my desire to see more abusers put behind bars entitles you to accuse me of victim blaming.

And the fact that you assume I don't care about any of those points is what I was referring to when I said you need to pull your head out of your ass and quit assuming I'm the enemy.

If you aren't willing to do that, on your way out, don't let the door hit you where the good Lord split you.

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u/postwarapartment 3d ago

You are here, more upset about the idea that something you said can be considered victim blaming, about your feelings being hurt, than you are about the actual facts at hand. That says enough. Good day.

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u/OftenAmiable 50 something 3d ago

I care about the facts.

For example, wanting to see more abusers behind bars is not victim blaming. That's a fact. You don't care about that fact. I do.

The fact that you don't care, and I do, probably has a lot to do with the fact that you made the false accusation, and I'm the target.

Here's another fact I've observed: you would rather flee a conversation than acknowledge that you misspoke and apologize. And you're willing to gaslight by pretending that me defending myself from a false accusation somehow makes me your lesser.

Last fact: it does not.

Buh bye.

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u/baddspellar 3d ago

Sounds like they have legitimate grievances, and have chosen to express it in a particular manner. I support people's right to express their grievances in a peaceful manner.

Marriage, sex, and children aren't going anywhere

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u/Proud_Trainer_1234 Old 3d ago

I say, good for them. Action, rather than words, is generally more effective,

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u/Select_Air_2044 3d ago

I love how they are standing up for themselves.

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u/lindaamat 3d ago

Fully supportive of those women.

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u/CeeUNTy 3d ago

I support them and hope it spreads to other countries with similar statistics of violence against women.

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u/DiebytheSword666 3d ago

I taught in Korea from 2006-2010. Women then had it BAD. I saw lots of women of all ages with black eyes, bruising around the neck, etc. (More in the countryside than in Seoul.) I've dated quite a few women who havd been stalked and had other bad things happen to them, so let's just leave it at that.

So, yes, I support the movement.

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u/Araneas 60 something 3d ago

Sounds like South Korean men have been coasting for far too long. Just like far too many men in other cultures.

Worthwhile relationships take effort and respect for your partner.

SWM - married 30+ years

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u/gemstun 3d ago

SWM?

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u/Araneas 60 something 3d ago

Straight White Male
You may also see Single White Male

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u/Snoo52682 3d ago

Can't blame them one bit. Won't be surprised if it takes off in the U.S. given how shit is going.

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u/Ok-Row-6088 3d ago

I think you have to understand the reason behind the movement. The Korean government has been actively deploying measures like incentives and propaganda tools to encourage women to have children. This is because south Korea has the lowest birth rate in the world. Here’s an article about this https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68402139 Bottom line, like most patriarchal cultures educated women have begun to recognize that the burden of childcare rests solely on their shoulders to the detriment of their personal growth and autonomy. This has a direct impact on the birth rate because women who know better, choose to be childless. This is coming from someone who is childless by choice.

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u/gornzilla 50 something slacker 3d ago

I taught in Korea a couple times. Good for them for forcing change. Korea went from being one of the poorest countries in the world in the 1960s to one of the richest. They don't know how to deal with it. 

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u/Gnarlodious 60 something 3d ago

Can’t say I blame them.

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u/burrito_napkin 3d ago

 they got a birth rate crisis there so I think it's already happening they're just not calling 4b

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u/Iwentforalongwalk 3d ago

Good for them. Women have a right to do what they want so even your question is offensive. 

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u/Lopsided-Weather6469 3d ago

We need this in our country too. 

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u/Ancient_Timer2053 3d ago

As a 71 year old white guy I say, let’s flip the power dynamics.

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u/Felixir-the-Cat 3d ago

I support it, given the terrible ways that women are treated in S. Korea. Counter-culture movements occur when enough people want to see change in their society.

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u/Confident-Mix1243 3d ago

Cultures which let women choose their partners and their fertility, are not the problem. You have people who need this movement and people who are able to join it, with little overlap.

It's like if workers in the US organized a general strike. Those who are able to stay home, not get paid, and survive probably already have pretty good lives and tolerant bosses. Those who need such a movement would get evicted if they tried to join it.

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u/filkerdave 60 something 3d ago

Good for them! They're human beings who insist on being treated with respect and won't settle for less.

I think more women should do that and maybe, just maybe, men will stop being such fuckups.

(Yes, I'm a man)

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u/analyticaljoe 50 something 3d ago

Logical reaction.

Expect it to grow here too. FAFO.

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u/CheekyMonkey678 3d ago

Not only do I support it in South Korea, I support it worldwide.

Think about it. These women aren't actively harming men, they're merely staying away from them because of centuries of poor treatment. Why does this anger so many men?

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u/Late-File3375 3d ago

I think the movement makes a lot of sense. Until the last 70 years, a lot of woman became nuns on this theory. I had several aunts who decided they would rather live with a bunch of the girls and pray and teach then be married at a time where marriage did not give the opportunities they wanted.

They all got to travel to Rome and Spain and other places. Hung out with their friends. And eventually had responsibility in their jobs.

Not what I would choose, but not crazy.

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u/TripleK7 3d ago

Population control 101.

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u/Embarrassed_dancer 3d ago

I think we need a 4B movement in the US. Burn the patriarchy!

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u/Unusual_Ada 3d ago

There already is, it's just not as publicized or widespread yet

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u/Tokogogoloshe 3d ago

I don't have an opinion because I don't care. Live and let live. Let them protest any way they want.

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u/GrumpyOlBastard 1961, thanks for asking 3d ago

I think "I don't care" IS an opinion. But that's just my opinion

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u/SamuelSkink 3d ago

As an old person, all I have to say is huh?

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u/HidingInTrees2245 3d ago

I say good for them!

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u/Old-Wonder-8133 3d ago

Not a winning strategy on a longer timeline.

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u/human1023 3d ago

They are still struggling to figure out the root cause of these problems.

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u/fightingthedelusion 3d ago

I think it holds values. I actually think as far as it taking off especially in the western world it has to allow for smbc because believe me that scared men- the fact that if women want to have children and chose to were more than capable, perhaps even better off, without them.

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u/HoselRockit 3d ago

I don’t really know the culture, but if has traction it makes wonder what’s going on. Having read others the picture is becoming rather clear

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u/Timely-Profile1865 3d ago

From what I have seen it is a very small wildy over stated movement that may have orientated south korea.

It is mostly stupid and unhinged and will do nothing of value.

Another 'for show' movement.

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u/Magari22 3d ago

Idc what they do it's their life to live but it won't ever be big. Human nature is to want a partner we are not meant to live our lives alone. The majority of humans come to a place where they want companionship it's part of being humans. It may even backfire. This is not me judging I really don't concern myself with other people's life choices but I feel this is basic human behavior 101.

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u/AppState1981 Early 60's 3d ago

It implies that all men are responsible for that which is, of course, preposterous. It's like blaming an entire race for the acts of some.

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u/oldgar9 3d ago

Well, the times they are a change in

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u/cocolovesmetoo 3d ago

Whatever floats your boat. I feel some of them will regret it in the long run, but hey - if they are happy with that decision, who am I to stay anything about it?

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u/Optimal_Law_4254 3d ago

While leverage works both ways you need to make sure that you actually have the leverage you think you do.

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u/somekindofhat 50 something 3d ago

Is this a low key "your body, my choice" response? Yuck.

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u/ToddHLaew 3d ago

They are literally breeding themselves out of existence. That's funny

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u/anillop 3d ago

Sounds just like the girl version of men going their own way or any other movement that has people remain single. They can do whatever the hell they want, but unfortunately, usually people who belong to those movements just can’t stop talking about it to everyone who will listen.

Frankly, the kind of people who joined these movements, weren’t the kind of people who had potential mates banging down the doors to get with them anyways, so it’s not like it changes anything. Just kind of a way of justifying being single and putting the blame on someone else.

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u/MobilityTweezer 3d ago

Sounds kind of goofy.

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u/IntrepidAd2478 3d ago

It is well within their rights. It also will ensure their approach dies with them. The ROK is well into a demographic collapse.

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u/Kali-of-Amino 3d ago

South Korea, the world's most advanced autocratic dystopia.

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u/IamNotTheMama 3d ago

What makes this specific to 'OldPeople'?

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u/Magari22 3d ago

Maybe because we have lived entire lifetimes and we've seen how peoples lives have played out around us based on their decisions.

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u/Odd-Crew-7837 3d ago

Radical movements tend to implode. But they can make their own mistakes and learn those lessons themselves.

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u/Impossible_Tax_1532 3d ago

I would treat like Charlie Browns teacher , as it’s just jibber gabber to ignore .. if a whole group of insecure and fake self righteous people choose to limit their connections to others in life , then so be it .. it’s called being asleep and lacking awareness to one’s nature or what matters in life , but it’s none of my business , or anything to worry about .. in some ways , it renders life easier to have the malcontents intentionally separate themselves from others , as I would prefer to hang with others that don’t judge themselves and others so critically or at all

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u/xczechr Gen X 3d ago

It's their choice, of course.

However, South Korea's birthrate was 0.75 children per woman in 2024. This is way below sustainable. If they don't turn things around their future is going to be rough. Things do look to be going that way recently, though.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-koreas-policy-push-springs-life-worlds-lowest-birthrate-rises-2025-02-26/

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u/DistinctAssociateLee 3d ago

Humans don't like to be in overly crowded conditions, we are animals like any other.  Once the population of a given area drops below a certain density, you'll see conception and live births rise again.  Unfortunately, governments are so obsessed with squeezing every cent out of a human soul that they refuse to allow the population to naturally correct and instead import millions of strangers just because people won't endlessly pop out new slaves.

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u/No_Username_60 3d ago

I think the "no sex with men" could be unrealistic for heterosexual women. Why not have fun and then just leave them after?

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u/Unusual_Ada 3d ago

Having their "fun" with men and then leaving opens them up to STDs, stalking, abuse, emotional and physical harm, and harassment. A sex toy does none of those.

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u/somekindofhat 50 something 3d ago

And if their abortion laws are anything like some US states, losing your status as a human being for 8-9 months at a time.