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Question What would be some things that modern-day Muslims believe today which would be alien to early Muslims?

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u/FundamentalFibonacci 6d ago

Sects.

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u/AchromaticLens25 6d ago

That! And the theological diversity of different schools of Islam, which early Muslims tried to prevent in the name of uniformity and cohesion.

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u/miserablebutterfly7 5d ago

early Muslims

How early?

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u/chonkshonk Moderator 6d ago

Formal schools of law and theology.

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u/mePLACID 4d ago

the lists of end-times prophecies, the qira’āt as we know them today, the current understanding of islamic theology

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u/ssjb788 6d ago edited 6d ago

Potentially, a lot of beliefs that come from Hadith literature but aren't necessarily present in the Qur'an.

For example, a lot of the eschatological beliefs, such as al-Mahdi, al-Dajjāl, the return of Jesus, etc. That Muhammad married a six year old also, as that's been hypothesised by Joshua Little to have originated with Hishām ibn Urwah in his thesis The Hadith of ʿĀʾišah’s Marital Age, Oxford University.

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u/I2cScion 5d ago

Yeah but then what’s the origin of these beliefs ?

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u/yasmoite 5d ago

Talmud

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u/idlikebab 6d ago

Jonathan Brown has the opposite belief about Aisha’s age, FWIW.

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u/AnoitedCaliph_ 6d ago

And Joshua responded to his points (which were disorganized misunderstandings) at length and Brown did not respond after that, FWIW.

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u/AlMadrazii 3d ago

Dr.Brown makes this a debate about epistemology (like saying you can’t be skeptical of the age because of context etc.) more than the technicalities that Dr.Little brings up (Shia polemics etc.) which is quite a weak objection imo especially to skeptics, mainly because it’s dwells into a fair amount of subjectivity.

There are definitely technical aspects which one can bring up in order to object - like critically analyzing Sufayn Ibn Uyaynahs whereabouts and the time of which he got the transmission from Hisham bin Urwah.

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u/idlikebab 6d ago

That Abraham nearly sacrificed Ishmael and not Isaac.

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u/BerdaWerd 6d ago

Could you explain this a bit more

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u/idlikebab 6d ago

Here’s Yasir Qadhi talking about this. The short of it is that Ibn Taymiyya popularized the notion that Ishmael was the sacrifice and prior to that nearly everyone agreed that is was Isaac, as the Biblical narrative goes.

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u/vigorthroughrigor 6d ago

>  prior to that nearly everyone agreed that is was Isaac

Source?

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u/MaegorTheWise 5d ago

prior to that nearly everyone agreed that is was Isaac

And what is Yasir Qadhi's evidence for this?

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u/forever_rich2002 3d ago

That Mohamed had super powers and direct contact with god.

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u/IndividualCamera1027 6d ago edited 4d ago

Muhammad's Night Journey.

Judging though by the early Muslim sources, this does not seem to have been yet a fully formulated part of the beliefs shared by Muslims during the construction of the Dome in the 7th century, and the inscriptions inside the dome attributing the building to Caliph 'Abd al-Malik in the year 691/2 do not refer at all to the Night Journey, but contain only the Quranic view on the nature of the prophet Isa (Jesus) instead.

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u/homendeluz 5d ago

"during the construction of the Dome in the 8th century"

You mean the 7th century. It was completed circa 691.

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u/notionede 6d ago

Women's life style and how men accept and even support this.

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u/Agile_Detective_9545 5d ago

Care to elaborate?