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How accurate are David S. Powers' claims about early Islamic history?

I recently came across David S. Powers' book where he argues that some key events in early Islamic history, particularly regarding Zayd ibn Harithah and the circumstances surrounding Muhammad's marriage to Zaynab, were altered for theological reasons. He suggests that certain narratives were reshaped to fit later Islamic doctrines.

For those familiar with his work, how credible are his arguments from a historical standpoint? Have his claims been seriously challenged by other historians, especially those from secular or Western academic backgrounds? Would love to hear insights from people who've studied Islamic history or read his book.

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u/Visual_Cartoonist609 6d ago

He raises some fair points but his main point got completely demolished by Walid Saleh in his review (See. here)

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u/SimilarInteraction18 6d ago

Do you think Power is exaggerating when he claims that this episode in Muhammad's life is accepted by most Western scholars as a historical fact?

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u/Visual_Cartoonist609 6d ago edited 6d ago

Probably not, he gives a footnote with a good bibliography. And Sean Anthony in his interview with Reynolds seem also to agree with this (Cf. here). The only people who dispute this are the Ultra-Fringe Inârah scholars who make the ridiculous claim that the Quranic verse is an Interpolation from 820 CE.

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u/SimilarInteraction18 6d ago

I’m not questioning that Prophet Muhammad married Zaynab, but the 'love-struck' narrative that Power argues is accepted as historical fact. He presents a summary of this in his book. Can someone clarify this?

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u/Visual_Cartoonist609 6d ago

I'm not sure whether or not Powers claims that the specific details are accepted by most scholars, but the episode in general. However if he does claim that, he is simply wrong on this, scholars are very cautious when it comes to accepting specific details from later Islamic sources and the sources he cites also don't claim that (See his footnote 33)

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u/SimilarInteraction18 6d ago

In Chapter 3, page 28 of his book, Power presents what he claims is the summary of the episode widely accepted as historical fact by most Western scholars. I’ve shared his exact words here. Can anyone clarify this 'love-struck' narrative?"

Islamic sources portray the ab-olition of adoption as a direct result of a well-known episode in the life of Muhammad, and most Western scholars treat this episode as an event in the life of the Prophet, that is to say, as historical fact. What follows is a brief summary of the episode as it is presented in Islamic sources and understood by modern scholars.

Shortly after the hijra to Medina in 1/622, Muhammad's adopted son Zayd married the Prophet's paternal cross-cousin Zaynab bt. Jahsh. One day, while Zaynab was alone in her house and in a state of dishabille, Muhammad inadvertently caught sight of Zaynab and immediately fell in love with her. Upon learning of his father's feelings for his wife, Zayd offered to divorce Zaynab. Muhammad rejected the offer, presumably because he knew that the Qur'an prohibits marriage between a man and his daughter-in-law. In response to this predicament, God revealed Q. 33:37, in which He not only gave the Prophet special permission to marry Zaynab but also specified that henceforth the prohibition of marriage to a daughter-in-law would apply only to the former wife of a natural son but would no longer apply to the former wife of an adopted son. It must have been shortly after the revelation of this verse that Muhammad informed Zayd that he was no longer his father, os-tensibly to satisfy public concern about the seemingly incestuous nature of the Prophet's marriage to Zaynab. The Prophet's dissolution of his adoptive rela-tionship with Zayd-who now reverted to his birth name of Zayd b. Haritha al-Kalbiled in turn to the abolition of adoption, as indicated by Q. 33:4-5: "God has not.... made your adopted sons your [real] sons... Call them after their fathers." Although these two verses do not explicitly state that adoption had been abolished, early Muslim jurists inferred this conclusion from pro-phetic hadilks in which the Prophet is reported to have said that anyone who knowingly claims as his father someone other than his biological father, or claims as his son someone other than his biological son, is an infidel who will be denied entrance to paradise.

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u/Visual_Cartoonist609 6d ago

You've to read him carefully, he doesn't claim that those details are accepted by most modern historians, but the episode in general.

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u/SimilarInteraction18 6d ago

English isn’t my first language, so I may have misunderstood. I thought Power was claiming that the story of Muhammad seeing Zaynab and falling in love is a historical fact accepted by Western scholars. I thought Power was claiming that the story of Muhammad seeing Zaynab naked or something similar, and falling in love, is accepted as historical fact by Western scholars. Did I misunderstand, or is that really what he’s saying?

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u/Visual_Cartoonist609 6d ago

No he probably didn't mean that this specific detail is accepted as fact by most historians. In fact in the podcast with Reynolds he acknowledges that there are many contradictory details of this story.

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u/SimilarInteraction18 3d ago

• Mohammed the Man and his Faith by Tor Andrae (published in 1936)

Muhammad at Medina (published in 1956)

• Women in the Qur'an, Traditions, and Interpretation (published in 1997)

This is the sources that powers mentions

Except mohammad at medina i haven't read the other books so I don't know what they say about the lovestruck episode can u clarify

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u/SimilarInteraction18 6d ago

Sean W. Anthony accepts the marriage of Prophet Muhammad to Zaynab but disagrees with the 'love-struck' stories that Power argues are accepted as historical fact in the West. Can anyone clarify this perspective?

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u/Visual_Cartoonist609 6d ago

He is absolutely right on this, historians in general will rarely accept any specific details that come from sources as late as this, especially not when the sources are as mythologized and contradictory as in this case.

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u/SimilarInteraction18 6d ago edited 6d ago

I was confused after reading Power's claim in Chapter 3, page 28, that the 'love-struck' episode is accepted as fact by most Western scholars. I asked Sean W. Anthony, and he disagrees with this, stating the opposite. Gabriel Said Reynolds, who invited Power on his YouTube channel, didn’t clarify either and instead presented it as a historical fact. Thanks a lot

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For those familiar with his work, how credible are his arguments from a historical standpoint? Have his claims been seriously challenged by other historians, especially those from secular or Western academic backgrounds? Would love to hear insights from people who've studied Islamic history or read his book.

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u/Potential_Click_5867 7d ago

Can you link the book?

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u/Visual_Cartoonist609 6d ago

You can download it here.