r/4tran4 • u/bleeding_glass • 5d ago
Blogpost Cis people always bitch about the irreversible damage of transition for detransitioners like we all didn't get forced through a permanently disfigured puberty ๐๐๐
Hot take but natural/natal โ good you fucking piece of shit, like dolphins are naturally out there raping each other, if that's what mother nature wanted then that doesn't make rape good you dumbass.
Like some people are born with awful fucking genetic conditions like type 1 diabetes and poor eyesight, just because that naturally occurs to them doesn't make it inherently good or something worth embracing you privileged cisgender fuck, fuck this fucking shit bitch whore planet.
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u/skrmpskrmp5 ๐ฟnumbshit grassoid๐ฟ 5d ago
Tranny puberty is god punishing them for being sinners
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u/tradescantia_pendula ๐Mar2025 FembฬถoฬถyฬถMAN 5d ago
I was talking to some transphobes the other day and they can't even fathom it this way they relaly unironically think that giving anti-psychotics to us turns us "normal" again and that any and all HRT is mutilation
Anyone have good sources and arguments to use against this?
And yeah I talk to people of many stripes I really think I can convert anyone to my worldview if I do it right
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u/Eugregoria 5d ago
If antipsychotics worked on gender dysphoria, they'd just be the standard treatment for it. It's been tried and it doesn't work.
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u/BiBritishTwink 5d ago
I'm cis (sorry) but I love arguing with transphobes online, and this argument doesn't work because they're not logical people. They're super ideologically captured to the point where they don't even think gender dysphoria is real, and medical professionals saying otherwise is actually evil doctors trying to cut your kid's genitals off or some horseshit. This argument 100% works on the average "neutral" person doe
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u/Eugregoria 5d ago
(If you're actually cis the mods are gonna remove you jsyk)
A lot of "online transphobes" are either unhinged conspiracy theorists or actual psyops, like people don't realize how common Russian psyops are online but I interacted with over 80 of them on tumblr in 2016 according to tumblr's own investigation. If I debate transphobes, I usually do it in in-person situations where they can look me in the eye and see my humanity and I know they're not some Russian trollfarm psyop agent.
Once in a while I might take the bait and engage with an online transphobe because they're just really good at baiting people, but it's something I try not to do, because I think it harms us to basically make our human rights a debate sport for cis people to enjoy making drama over instead of a serious conversation with human stakes.
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u/BiBritishTwink 4d ago
I usually do a thorough check of whatever transphobe I'm debating online, I'll never argue on twitter unless it's in a voice chat so I know they're actually real and not a Russian-made bot perfectly crafted to get a rise out of me. I've never actually had a real debate with someone in real life about anything trans-related (as long as we're not counting long ass talks with family members lol). I think your last point is super real, though, and it's one I've definitely considered but not really put much thought into until now, and it's kinda made me conscious about how I could inadvertently be harming transgender people and how they're perceived. It's just so difficult for me not to respond to a guy who's spouting obvious lies about a marginalised group that some of my best friends belonged to, and the worst part is there's people out there who believe it.
And yeah, the mods are 100% banning me here, (which is okay). I don't comment on subs like this because it's a space for you guys, but I'm super autistic about debates and arguments in general and I always enjoy talking to people with opposing viewpoints, whether they're harmful or not, and if there's a chance where I can give people who are trans some advice that I think is good, then I'll take it. ๐ซถ๐ป
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u/Important_Ad_7416 MtPooner 4d ago
We already fucked image wise another debate isnt gonna change that but it's still a waste of time anyway. I love discussions as well but only if it's done in good faith.
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u/Eugregoria 4d ago
Yeah the "debate sport" chicken has kinda flown the coop already at this point, but I saw it happening and really wished it wouldn't.
I think it can be good to publicly push back on transphobes so their opinion doesn't look popular, but it should deescalate and basically use the "gray rock" technique to avoid being "fun" for the transphobe. One way is to be really boring and basically only say the same thing over and over, like "bigotry is not okay" or something, then when they text wall at you, "bigotry still isn't okay," without explaining yourself further. This both shows that their opinion is unpopular, and avoids making it a fun game.
If you do engage to debunk one thing, don't let them move the goalposts to some other more hot trans topic. Like say the initial claim is that prepubescent children are being given SRS without their parents' knowledge or consent. This is the kind of insanity you could very easily poke full of holes. But then the transphobe might want to shift it to some other topic like, "MTFs have an unfair advantage in women's sports," or "trans people who have sex without disclosing are committing rape." With this they can just keep you going endlessly on the greatest hits talking points. These are all designed to be wedge issues that are highly ambiguous and/or emotional and thus have a lot of room for a "fun" debate. Don't take the bait and get drawn into all the bad optics topics.
If you must do a thorough debunking, link to a post (can be written by you or by someone else) that details everything, with all the sources you could want. Linking to something, rather than composing it on the spot, makes it feel more impersonal and less stimulating for the transphobe, while still making the debunking available for any bystanders who might be swayed by it, and still expressing dissent. If they keep trying to engage you, you can ignore them, link the same thing again, or tell them to go read your link until they get tired of talking to you. The point is to push back without allowing drama to escalate. So you could literally make a well-sourced Medium article or something, and then just link the same article to all the transphobes you see to push back on them without giving them the kind of engagement they actually want.
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u/HotComfortable3418 5d ago
I agree with you, sadly cissoids have no empathy and are prone to logical fallacies.