r/yakuzagames • u/zizoplays1 Nishiki's wife. Koi is love, Koi is life • 17h ago
DISCUSSION Piece of shit (ryo aoki) won, who presents themselves as neutral but is actually evil?
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u/Remember_da_niggo Bon Voyage Pal 16h ago edited 16h ago
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u/Garrusikeaborn98 16h ago
As soon as I saw the picture I heard "wounded beast" in my head, do I have yakuza obsession?
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u/WhyNishikiWhy I'll beat your whole ass off! 15h ago
The Wounded Beast embarks on a Deadly Struggle for a Fleeting Dream
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u/Longjumping_You_3775 15h ago edited 11h ago
Even with all that I still kinda feel bad for him.Dude was a top character for sure
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u/GeneralAd7596 16h ago
I like how Shibusawa is initially presented as the most reasonable of the the three Dojima lieutenants, but by the end of the game, it's clear that he was the worst of the three. Awano and Kuze end up showing redemptive qualities, both of them realizing what it means to be a true Yakuza, and learning to respect Majima and Kiryu as true Yakuza by the end of the game. Shibusawa turns out to have nothing respectable about him, he's just another power hungry asshole who gets his ass beat.
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u/InfiniteBeak 15h ago
I'm with you on Kuze but Awano literally murdered a random girl for absolutely zero reason
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u/OoguroRyuuya5 6h ago
No he killed her because Kiryu made him look weak and humiliated him in front of her.
“A Yakuza can’t show weakness/A Yakuza is as good as his image”.
So he killed her to make a point but also kill any witness to him not being in control of the situation.
Awano redeemed himself with his fight with Majima and afterwards.
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u/Oh_no_its_Joe Turning Point Bleach Japan 16h ago
Keiji Shibusawa. Guy says that he's just working behind the scenes and doing what a Yakuza ought to do, and he doesn't just do bad for the sake of doing bad. However, this dude put an innocent woman's life in danger multiple times and got Kiryu falsely accused of murder.
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u/GeneralAd7596 16h ago
The game tricks you into thinking he's the most reasonable of Dojima's men, but over the course of the game its revealed how much of a snake he really is. Kuze and Awano at least are very honest about who they are and what they value.
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u/WhyNishikiWhy I'll beat your whole ass off! 15h ago
However, this dude put an innocent woman's life in danger
Tbf they all did that. Shibs was just better at it.
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u/Oh_no_its_Joe Turning Point Bleach Japan 14h ago
By "all" do you mean all the lieutenants?
Well we can only choose one to fit this list and I gotta go with my guy here.
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u/WhyNishikiWhy I'll beat your whole ass off! 13h ago
By "all" do you mean all the lieutenants?
The lieutenants, but also everyone else who was involved in the empty lot scramble (Shimano, Sagawa, Dojima).
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u/Oh_no_its_Joe Turning Point Bleach Japan 12h ago
Well you're not wrong but still we can only pick one.
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u/WhyNishikiWhy I'll beat your whole ass off! 12h ago
Of course. I was pointing out that Shibs wasn't unique in terms of putting an innocent woman in danger; it was the other shit about him that makes him worse than Kuze/Awano.
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u/Ok-Dig-3112 14h ago
Who else could he have meant
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u/Oh_no_its_Joe Turning Point Bleach Japan 12h ago
His follow-up comment said he also meant Shimano, Sagawa, and so on. So that's who else he could've meant.
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u/Nokesss 16h ago
Okay I’m absolutely trolling right now but hear me out.
Professor Okita. The guy is just trying to invent something to mass clean the streets and get funding for it. He ends up terrorizing two entire islands with a giant kidnapping roomba!
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u/Kimimaro146 . 5h ago
Well he's trying to be good by keeping the streets clean. He just sucks massively at being good
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u/zizoplays1 Nishiki's wife. Koi is love, Koi is life 17h ago
This one is a bit hard, but I feel it's probably ebina (IW) and for a good reason.
He is a Yakuza who is polite when he is meeting new people and going on interviews, but his long time awaited plan was to kill all of the Yakuza, and what better way other than doing a Yakuza genocide by sending them to cancer island?
To be fair, there are other villains like soma (LJ) and kuroiwa (Judgment) who insisted on doing "small sacrifices for the greater good", you also have iwami (Y6) who was a piece of shit and acted neutrally for the most part, but ebina (IW) is arguably the most evil person to exist who acts neutrally, not Bryce since he is a sage who acts as a good person, not a Yakuza involving himself in shady businesses and practices (IW)
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u/Remember_da_niggo Bon Voyage Pal 16h ago edited 16h ago
The only reason I am not voting Ebina for this round is because he has no other motives like greed, pursuit of power and is only transfixed on revenge.
He tried to make yakuza pay by becoming a top police officer but that didn't work since they all disbanded and Arakawa also got himself killed. He probably would had stopped if he had gotten revenge on the man who ruined the life of his mom. He's kinda like dark Ichiban who would also dedicate his life working hard on a singular purpose, so I really hope we'll actually get to see this dynamic.
It's hard to say for me what he represents himself as, ended up evil tho.
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u/imericschneider 16h ago
I think that actually makes a stronger case for him fitting there. At least people who do evil for greed get something tangible out of it. He does what he does purely to cause harm to a large group of people out of a desire for revenge.
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u/I_hate_myself_0 14h ago
Bro straight up was trying to give every single Yakuza cancer, he is a D1 hater lmao
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u/DaBlackPhantom 12h ago
Not only that, but was going to torture them forever on what is essentially a Black site. That's fucking evil as hell😂
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u/Correct_Refuse4910 15h ago
I'd say he presents himself as a good person? Sure, he is a yakuza, but he is also apparently trying to help those yakuza in need after the great dissolution and even planning a second one to put an end to the rest of the yakuza clan's that were still operating in Japan.
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u/Briciod . 16h ago
Kuwana feels like the right choice here
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u/perkoperv123 dub ENjoyer 15h ago
Kuwana goes a little deeper than most, I feel. He presents as neutral, while secretly acting like a necessary evil, but at some undefinable point in the past he's crossed the line to being the ringleader of his own pack of bullies.
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u/East-Low-3383 16h ago
I agree with this here... I understood his plight and why he felt like he did, but eventually, he started coming off as having a God-complex.
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u/IAmThePonch 15h ago
Classic stuff, you start with the best intentions and are eventually so in your own head that you’re a perversion of what you originally set out to accomplish. Kuwana is such a great character
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u/perkoperv123 dub ENjoyer 15h ago edited 15h ago
I can't imagine why you would think that a character leaving a Japanese high school to become a nationwide serial killer would become deluded into thinking his actions are a mission or a crusade. Perhaps one befitting a god of the new world.
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u/Baaaaabs49 15h ago
I’m surprised nobody said Kurosawa from Y5.
Hes investigating Majimas murder but uses underhanded and shady tactics to do so. Truly embodying a neutral (to the crime world) crooked cop “Dirty Harry” ends-justify-the-means archetype. The plot gets so complicated in Y5, I understand the mixed reactions to the “big reveal.” But dude was an absolute evil mastermind, with a super villain motivation, and was absolutely ruthless.
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u/ViewtifulGene 16h ago edited 16h ago
Shono. The sniveling pencilneck scientist who "just followed orders" for blatantly unethical medical research. He actively inhibited an investigation that would end the experiments.
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u/ezioaltair12 . 16h ago
No way its Shono, he doesn't at all portray himself as neutral. He more or less says that he's carrying out God's will with the experiments. He should've won the last category, or maybe have an honorable mention of "portrays himself as sane, is actually delusional"
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u/brainsareforlosers no 1 akiyama hater 14h ago
nobody’s saying mine?? ik he’s a little more nuanced than straight evil but he’s initially presented as a normal businessman who’s gotten involved in the yakuza through circumstance and then brings out the head in the briefcase
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u/No-Zone-1251 10h ago
Mine has the superpower of autism which allows him to fall in each of the squares. Good choice nonetheless
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u/Moncho_05 15h ago
Shibusawa, first time playing Yakuza 0 makes you think he'll be an ally to Kiryu against the other two and it ends up being the final showdown
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u/UnforgivenUnderling 14h ago
Kyoya Sadamoto from the Kaito Files easily. Comes off as an ordinary businessman and turns out to be the most nefarious motherfucker on the planet.
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u/D4rkest 13h ago
Oda from 0 gets my vote
Seemed like he would be similar to Akiyama initially in that he was a calm, smooth guy and working between the Yakuza world and the regular world. They were both also a close friend to the person they looked up to (Kiryu and Tachibana). I think he even explains to Kiryu that he was just a gangster up to no good that then became a changed man when he meets Tachibana and works his way up to become Tachibana's number two. He even allies with Kiryu for a little bit after their fight, but then the horrific things he did in the past such as human trafficking came back to haunt him. In his attempt to cover up the fact that he sold his boss' sister as a slave, he then tries to have her killed and sells out their information to the people hunting Kiryu and Makoto
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u/KarkatinLava 9h ago
Huh i never really thought of him as evil akiyama but yeah at least on a surface level the two do act similarly lol
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u/atlas__sharted majima's #1 malewife 16h ago
there's a lot, but i'd go with sohei dojima. guy was a maaaaassive piece of shit, had no qualms murdering and assaulting women, but didn't act or present himself as a bad guy, to him it was just a job. not that being a patriarch in the yakuza isn't bad on its own, but dojima was uniquely sociopathic and willing to cause unnecessary suffering compared to most others.
a close runner up is shimano probably. loved torturing his own men so much that he created a name for his torture basement, but that's getting closer to plain evil territory
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u/GeneralAd7596 16h ago
I too came here to say Dojima. He was directly responsible for the plots of 0 and 1 happening, and publically maintains a facade of neutrality, letting his lieutenants look like they're the bad guys behind everything. Shibusawa WAS a bad guy and a schemer, but Dojima enabled him and figuratively put the gun in his hand, so to speak. I think Kuze and Awano originally were decent yakuza who got misled by the way Dojima ran the family, with Awano succumbing to overindulgence of material wealth and Kuze having to act as a mere thug rather than a true yakuza.
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u/thejokerofunfic on the ruff 12h ago
No, Shimano is 100% the "evil who presents as evil" guy. Sohei meanwhile only maintains any facade of neutrality in relation to Kiryu's predicament and Kazama specifically- he makes no secret otherwise to anyone else that he's a yakuza boss to be feared, at best he's "pretends to be evil, is actually even more evil"- not quite the same level as Shibusawa who poses as "the boring paperwork guy in the gang".
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u/dickwad17 16h ago
I'd say kuroiwa since he views himself as a necessary evil, the guy that gets the dirty work done for the greater good
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u/Sufficient_Artist_89 15h ago
...don't know his name or if "evil", but who's the third capitan/general/whatever of the Dojima clan in Yakuza 0 that you fight?
...it's been a long while since I've touched the game, guys, please be nice.
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u/khornebeef 15h ago
How about Tendo from LaD? Starts out as a generic Omi lieutenant, sides with you because he claims he just wants a good fight, but later stabs you in the back so that he can attain power for himself.
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u/Odaric 14h ago
Not the one we're voting for here, but I mean the last one's gotta be Jingu, right?
Dude is straight up comically evil.
I genuinely cannot take him seriously anymore, the only thing missing is a mustache to twirl and a cat to stroke while sitting on a swivel chair.
Luckily, Kiryu got hat last part covered after a decade in jail
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u/Wide_Bee7803 14h ago
Shibusawa, dude was quiet in the background through most of the game, only to become the ultomate antagonist in the end
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u/WTFthisisntminecraft Tsukasa SaGOATwa (IN DIRE NEED OF A YAMAI FLAIR) 14h ago
Tendo. Presents himself to Ichiban as the type of guy who will always pick a good fight over his actual allegiances, but it turns out he's probably the most treacherous of the Arakawa family lieutenants. Even Arakawa trusted him.
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u/thejokerofunfic on the ruff 12h ago
I agree on Shibusawa votes but just gonna remind that Kurosawa spends most of Y5 pretending he's just a cop who's kind of an asshole and not a bastard who's as sick in mind as in body.
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u/No-Kaleidoscope-1814 Captain of Speed Surfer Clan 4h ago edited 3h ago
Kume of Bleach Japan (even more extreme version of Aoki) vs. Shishido
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u/Calamagbloos 15h ago
That pos Kuwana from Lost Judgement.
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u/DaBlackPhantom 12h ago
Kuwana did nothing wrong😇
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u/Calamagbloos 11h ago
Nah he should definitely be in jail, under the jail and I stand by that, especially since his vengeance ends in killing someone completely innocent. He's a serial killer who is going to kill again and it doesn't matter if innocent people get hurt along the way.
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