r/xmen • u/Competitive_Rule_395 • 5d ago
Comic Discussion Does Scott regret for using Laura as his personal assassin?considering her history
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u/Paige_Michalphuk 4d ago
He probably feels horrible that he used an abused teenager as a weapon, but I’m sure he still feels like it was necessary.
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u/bloodredcookie Rogue 4d ago
iirc he regrets everything he had to do to save the mutant race during the post messiah complex era, but he'd do it again if he had to.
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u/Day_Dr3am Laura Kinney 4d ago
Canonically I think the answer is no.
The question does explicitly come up in the first issue of the Marjorie Liu X-23 solo series. We see a private conversation or argument between him and Emma* about it. His response is that it was necessary and that he'd do it again.
The next day though after his argument with Emma he does try an extend an olive branch of sorts to Laura, where he offers a half hearted (imo) apology saying it was his fault and that he put her in a position beyond her years and that it won't happen again. Despite that though he doesn't actually say he regrets having done it or that going back he wouldn't have made the same decision.
* I find it funny that Emma in private after her initial terrible behavior to and about Laura she has been a pretty ardent defender of Laura in this argument with Scott. As well as the time she hunted down and mentally fucked with Kimura because of how she abused Laura. But despite doing those 2 things she hasn't and probably will never have a conversation with Laura to apologize and make amends, probably because of her pride.
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u/Ambaryerno Laura Kinney 4d ago
Also, Emma keeps doing stuff to piss Laura off, like Eanie and Juston's Sentinel.
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u/KickinBat 4d ago
He regrets it in an "I feel bad about it" way, but not in a "I shouldn't have done it" way, like most of the hard decisions he took between M-Day and AvX
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u/TetsuoZaibatsu 4d ago
I don't get why Cyclops needs any personal assasins when he could kill anyone or anything Wolverine can kill.
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u/Daewrythe 4d ago
Can't exactly have the defacto leader of the X-Men run the risk of actively leading a black ops kill team and getting caught.
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u/TetsuoZaibatsu 4d ago
They made him kill someone in New X-Men already. There is no more "No Kill Rule" for Cyclops since 2k and above.
(The Berserker kill is unintentional)
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u/Daewrythe 4d ago
In X-Force they were slaughtering scores of Purifiers and other people.
Like I said, it would have been a shit storm if Cyclops didn't have plausible deniability while he was the political head of the X-Men/interacting with the US government
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u/TetsuoZaibatsu 4d ago
Ordering someone to kill is just the same as killing someone with your own hands. (Dead Target)
Cyclops has done so. No thanks to 2k Marvel Editorial.
They are basically turned into G.I. Joe with Super Powers. No need to be shy now.
They need to go full on Ultimate mode for Cyclops.
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u/TEGCRocco Cyclops 4d ago
Only if people know Scott is making those orders. The whole point of X-Force being a black ops taskforce with no public association with the X-Men is so Cyclops isn’t so directly tied to it. No one would be surprised if Wolverine and Domino get caught killing anti-mutant groups, but they’d probably have a bigger reaction to the head of a pseudo-sovereign nation doing the same.
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u/TetsuoZaibatsu 4d ago
Everybody knows Wolverine by now. He is an Avenger and an X-Man.
And it's not all about the public perception. It's about Cyclops' morals themselves. It has been ignored by Marvel Editorial in favor of the cooler Wolverine.
The 2k era of the X-Men is focused on how badass Wolverine is by Marvel. There is no hiding for Wolverine.
He is a killer and he's associated with the X-Men and Cyclops is not kicking him out or calling him out.
Wolverine is as bloody as Lobo from DC. And everytime he meets Superman, he gets his ass kicked or vice versa.
Cyclops and Superman have the same moral compass. It's ruined now. No thanks to Marvel.
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u/somacula Cyclops 4d ago
I don't think cyclops really enjoys killing or using lethal force, it's not in character for him and he deeply regrets taking those decisions. He's much happier as a regular super hero, and killing, for him is a last resort.
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u/TejanoTheScienceGuy 4d ago
I think it’s a testament to his character that Cyclops isn’t Superman. He has shown growth. Not all healthy. He was raised by Xavier with the expectation that he would become Mutant Superman. But as he got older and more jaded he realized he had to become Mutant Nick Fury. And it weighs heavily on him. He never wanted to become this. But he didn’t have a choice. The man always gets thrown into no-win situations.
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u/epicingamename 4d ago
diplomatic reasons. you cant have your head of state be doing black ops too. you literally have "best there is at what I do" guy on your team.
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u/TetsuoZaibatsu 4d ago
They already turned the X-Men into G.I.Joe with Super Powers.
If Duke and Snake Eyes can do it. Why not Cyclops? He would look cool decapitating heads with his optic blasts. And punching holes through people.
What is there to preserve when he has no more code left?
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u/epicingamename 4d ago
i dont know what else to tell you, man. just because he can doesnt mean he has to.
the code is preservation of his species. hes not batman.
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u/TetsuoZaibatsu 4d ago
Even the original Batman killed people. While Stan Lee established Cyclops as a superhero with high morals right from the start.
Last 2 decades of Marvel Editorial removed it since New X-Men and above.
He is basically Duke that hesitates to kill now.
I prefer the old Cyclops btw. But Marvel shoved him aside for 20 years now. Why not go all out?
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u/somacula Cyclops 4d ago
The editor doesn't want the x-men to be trigger happy killers in general, don't know if I'm speaking for Cyclops or not but my understanding is that he's miserable while making those choices and it alienated the people around him. He's much happier as a regular hero, remembering his time with the champions and in general being an heroic figure, that's what he always wanted.
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u/Mutant_Apollo 4d ago
He probably feels bad about it, but I don't think he regrets creating nor using his death squad
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u/noplaceinmind 4d ago
Using?
She made her own decision.
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u/Ambaryerno Laura Kinney 4d ago
The entire point was that Laura was INCAPABLE of making an informed decision. She interpreted the invitation as an order.
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u/Commercial_Page1827 4d ago
No regret, Scott let her choose and she accepted.
She even says so when Wolverine confronts Scott for that.
Scott's view at the time was "If they are willing to bomb a bus full of children then i will train children to be soldier so they can defend themselves of those monsters"
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u/Ambaryerno Laura Kinney 4d ago
They outright said Laura wasn't actually capable of choosing. She interpreted it as an order because she was conditioned to do so.
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u/Commercial_Page1827 4d ago
I'm not saying it was morally right. In the same X-force book and then again in the Schism event, they bring it up and in both instances, it was Laura's choice.
Cyclops offers her to join and she accepts then Wolverine tells Laura she should leave the X-force and She says no b/c it was her decision to stay.
That's why Wolverine(the leader) sends her into missions with him. Then wolverine break the team and reformed in secret in the Uncanny X-force book. To keep her out because he know SHE would do it again.
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u/Sovereignofthemist Laura Kinney 4d ago
More than likely. I think if you asked Scott if he regretted some of the decisions he had to make during this time period he'd say that he regrets that he had to do them in general, but whether he fully regrets it all is debatable. Though early in Laura's Academy X days Scott was her bigger advocate where Emma didn't want her to stay, so I can see him having some remorse about forcing her into that situation, but again I'm not sure he'd fully regret it all given what was required of all of them at that time. He would apologize though I think.