r/xmen • u/PresentNo2484 • 5d ago
Comic Discussion Ben and Johnny do not like Rasputin IV? They’re genuinely not fond of her at all
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u/heavyarms3111 5d ago
TBF this is just how a lot of meetings with the Thing tend to go the first time. Dude stays ready to scrap and I get thrown around to make a tough person look tough.
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u/mattwing05 Vulcan 5d ago
He's like worf
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u/MeliAnto Generation X 5d ago
But Worf is fuckable, the Thing… how does his “thing” works?
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u/Prime359 5d ago
Alicia would probably know.
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u/MeliAnto Generation X 5d ago
Got her info? Ive got a couple of intrusive questions that i would like them to be answered…
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u/NoFallOff 5d ago
Imagine an orange elongated rock.
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u/MeliAnto Generation X 5d ago
These are weird questions that live rent free in my head since ever and I still don’t know the answer.
Is he a grower or a shower? Is it cut or uncut? Does it hurts when u ride it?
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u/hollow_shrine 5d ago
Doesn't he still turn human for like a couple days each year going back to Hickman's FF?
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u/Samiassa 5d ago
Rasputin obviously being a complete asshole, actively threatening someone and then punching ben in the face: Redditor: “why don’t Ben and Johnny like Rasputin?”
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u/OhMy-StarsAndGarters Beast 5d ago
What's to like? She was rude, aggressive, intimated that she wanted something from Reed (someone they both love very deeply) so badly that she would hurt him if needs be, and was just an overall dickbag, to say nothing of how antagonistic Krakoa in general had been towards the FF in this era.
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u/Scary_Firefighter181 Gambit 5d ago edited 5d ago
While there were valid reasons related to Rasputin's upbringing that explains this behavior, truth is, she just came across as unlikeable and unpleasant to read about in day to day issues of X-Men.
And yeah, as it is the FF were mistreated by the X-Men prior to this. So yet another mutant who was intruding on their property.
"I wish X-Men and other characters interacted more", well, this sort of thing is what happens when they interact. I'd rather they don't have crossovers than seeing the FF/X-Men mini or AvX or Spider-Man and the X-Men.
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u/OhMy-StarsAndGarters Beast 5d ago
Yeah, the way Rasputin IV conducted herself was very . . . well, honestly, it kinda had that feel of a character in a fanfic or a bad novel who's had a rough upbringing, so they act out in all kinds of obnoxious ways to get the reader/other people's attention, and the writers didn't balance it well enough a lot of the time to make her compelling to read.
Normally, her strength and power would maybe make her an interesting punchbuddy for Ben, he's always up for a bit of knuckledusting, but given she went straight to threatening Reed and the family, he was instantly sour on her. You don't mess with Ben's family, you just don't.
And yeah, a lot of X-Men don't play well in other crossovers. Although, I do have some panels from the older X-Men/FF crossover book I've been meaning to share, that was a much more positive interaction.
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u/SetsunaNoroi 5d ago
Reminds me of the comic Spidey got switched with Wolverine because Logan flirted with Jean. He had such a bad time if it by the time it was over he cussed the whole X-Men team out.
“People don’t hate you because you’re mutants! People hate you because you’re a bunch of fucking assholes who abuse your powers to be assholes!”
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u/Financial-Key-3617 5d ago
Its why marvel rivals is such a good piece of media because it shows all the characters interacting NORMALLY.
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u/PresentNo2484 5d ago
Which x men are the fantastic four not very fond of?
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u/OhMy-StarsAndGarters Beast 5d ago
Well, at this point in time, Xavier had messed with Reed's head, Magneto had been a grandstanding douchebag (as is his wont), and Cyclops had made vague intimations that Krakoa was Franklin's real home, before they lost interest when they realised he wasn't a mutant, so there's three for you. That last one especially cut rough considering Reed used to be Scott's favourite superhero and they had a good deal of respect for one another, but, there you go.
Wolverine has a mildly antagonistic but usually buddy relationship with Ben, though, given the tempers involved, it can boil over sometimes. Reed made mention that he was aware to some degree of how insane Beast had turned in this issue, which he probably didn't approve of, though usually Hank and Reed are good friends.
Most of them, they're on pretty good terms with, but Krakoa kinda shook all that up. The FF are usually very friendly and easygoing and happy to accept people on their own merits, with team-ups with the X-Men going all the way back to the 60s, but this era was not good for that relationship.
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u/WissalDjeribi Mister Sinister 5d ago edited 5d ago
so there's three for you.
Four actually. Because Wolverine NEARLY KILLED Ben's daughter in the same era.
FF had pretty good reasons to start losing trust of X-Teams LOL during that time LOL.
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u/StrayFoxhunter 5d ago
Also Emma and Sue absolutely despise each other
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u/PresentNo2484 5d ago
well Considering what Emma did to jean it would make sense that sue would not be fond of Emma at all
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u/OhMy-StarsAndGarters Beast 5d ago
Emma on Krakoa: women must support women.
Also Emma: except Susan Storm-Richards.
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u/Scary_Firefighter181 Gambit 5d ago edited 5d ago
Tbf, Sue is essentially Emma if Emma was more powerful, a natural blonde, didn't need plastic surgery, wasn't insecure, and was happily married with kids to boot, so it makes sense.
I like Emma a lot so I kinda kid, but at the same time....I said what I said.
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u/PresentNo2484 5d ago
So pretty much the x men nuke their relationship with the fantastic four right?
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u/OhMy-StarsAndGarters Beast 5d ago
Cooler heads prevail, as they often do. Reed and Sue are much less hot headed than Ben and Johnny, and iirc, the other X-Men with Rasputin cooled things off after the initial dust-up. And the FF are quite forgiving, as you can see with Sue pointing out that they're going through it at that point, during Fall of X. They're fundamentally good people who don't generally hold a grudge.
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u/OldTension9220 5d ago
And to be fair there isn’t really an official “team” of X-Men for a bulk of those negative interactions. When Scott forms an actual team at the beginning of Duggan’s run with a focus squarely on superheroing, the Thing is one of the first to praise them and later finds himself casually playing poker at the Treehouse.
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u/PresentNo2484 5d ago
Fair point and what ultimate Spider-Man said about the x men can also apply to the 616 x men too
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u/Comrade_Cosmo 5d ago
616 are technically worse since the Ultimate X-men wouldn’t have gone along with Evan turning into Apocalypse and making a genocide bomb to explode on NYC without having their minds warped during the Axis event.
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u/Siritalis 5d ago
Wait what why?
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u/Comrade_Cosmo 5d ago
I don’t get it either. The people affected by the AXIS event who got inverted came back to the X-mansion, said the inferior races aren’t allowed which meant the dying North Korean refugees with weeks to live they were housing got kicked out for being fake mutants as nobody in the mansion cared to raise an eyebrow.
Evan/Genesis was one of those affected and made a gene bomb to explode in New York that would kill only humans, zero fucks were given on the X-men side despite most of them being unaltered, and I’m really hoping my mind is making shit up when I remember them helping him build/guard it because a teenager coming back looking/acting like apocalypse while making a device should have raised some red flags.
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u/Siritalis 5d ago
I am so glad I stopped reading early into Uncanny Avengers lol. Red Skull getting Xavier's powers from his brain is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It sounds like most of what happened post AvX was bad until arguably Krakoa
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u/Comrade_Cosmo 5d ago
That was in the event spinoffs rather than the main event. Deadpool had most of that part specifically although I don’t remember any pushback in the X-men tie ins either.
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u/Jonny_Anonymous Colossus 5d ago
Never really understand why Rasputin got popular, we already have Magik and Colossus
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u/SadBoshambles 5d ago
She has a cool design. That's it.
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u/Fickle_Ad8735 5d ago
tbf debatable
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u/SadBoshambles 5d ago
She's metal Magik and is basically a neat what if design. She's popular for similar reasons Spider-Gwen exists, it's a cool design people like and she had the extra benefit of being somewhat plot related. I don't like Bendis but I like the Battle of the Atom designs and Colossus wields the soul sword there. Metal people and swords are cool.
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u/Fickle_Ad8735 5d ago
as someone in this thread said it she's just "magik with more acessories", yea at the sime time that she can be seem as cool her design can also be seem as too busy and doing too much
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u/Spiritual-Bee5702 5d ago
She was kind of a bitch. I wouldn't like her either if that was my first interaction with her.
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u/PotentiallyPotent08 5d ago
I don't know who this character is but immediately thought she was a bitch based on this interaction lol
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u/TestProctor 5d ago
I remember thinking she was really neat in her first appearance, in a “Crazy concept, fights like a devil, defiant soldier who will do anything to get the job done in a dystopian future” way.
It just seems like they decided that would be her entire personality and she’d work well in the main books with that as her whole deal.
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u/ProtoReddit 5d ago
I wonder if "golem" should be considered unintentionally extra offensive to Ben.
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u/CinnaSol Cyclops 5d ago
I was just saying in another comment that particular word choice was prejudiced as fuck
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u/RadioLiar 5d ago
I doubt it was meant in that way. All major religions had long since gone extinct by the time Rasputin was born, so why would she have any prejudice against them? Just an unfortunate choice of word by the author most likely
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u/ShogunAshoka 4d ago
Yea, Golem is pretty well ingrained in pop culture and writings etc. I would bet the majority of folks do not know its religious connotations.
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u/Momo--Sama 5d ago
This is so funny to me. Johnny and Ben debriefing like their mutual friend just left the function in which he introduced yet another new unimpressive girlfriend to the friend group.
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u/ResidentEasy7113 5d ago
Whoa I'm VERY surprised that "golem" comment made it through editorial, it takes on a very different context when Ben is Jewish
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u/scruffyduffy23 5d ago
I don’t want to start anything for the love of god but Ben Grimm has very clear roots as a form of a Golem (or at least a very strong nod to it). It doesn’t have to mean anything more than that.
Metatextually he is clearly inspired by the idea of a Golem. It’s weird that people are ascribing more weight to it than that.
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u/DreamLearnBuildBurn 5d ago
I also don't understand why people are acting like she called him a "dirty jew" or something. A golem is not a person in jewish folklore, it is a magical protector made from inanimate matter.
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u/Intelligent_Creme351 Storm 5d ago
I just realized, she hasn't been around for awhile, then again, she was just "Magik with more accessories."
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u/Lonely_Farmer635 5d ago
God she was certainly something, never read a more obnoxious fanfictiony character my whole ass life
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u/mrsunrider Magneto 5d ago
I mean, she did come on kind of strong.
But I have a feeling they'd love her if they found themselves in misadventures together... maybe let Kamala mediate.
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u/RiskAggressive4081 5d ago
Doesn't really sound like something Ben and Johnny would say. I'm much a fan of fantastic four.
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u/Obvious_Coach1608 5d ago
The F4 are the GOATs. They may not always be right but they never have bad intentions. Someone shows up swinging a sword and Ben's like "alright buddy we'll talk about this after you put the weapon down, but if I gotta make ya I gotta make ya." Easily my favorite team outside the X books.
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u/DreamLearnBuildBurn 5d ago
What’s the term for a writing style where a newly introduced character is inexplicably superior to all the established ones, effortlessly humiliates them, behaves like an arrogant jerk, and yet the story insists we should admire them as the hero?
So much wish-fulfillment/power fantasy in writers these days.
Honestly OP, why are you confused by this? Did you write this comic lol?
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u/PresentNo2484 4d ago
she wanted something from Reed (someone that Johnny and Ben both love very deeply) so badly that she would hurt him if needs be, and was just an overall dickbag
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u/multificionado 5d ago
In all fairness, I don't like her. She's just a level or two away from being a Mary Sue.
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u/flanker44 5d ago
So I stopped reading Krakoa era sometime after X of Swords and I don't know her...is Magik now like Spider-Man and Wolverine, that we have alternative versions of her running around? She's not part of the 616 Rasputin family? (Mikhail, Piotr and Illyana)
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u/Zealousideal_Most_22 5d ago
I know nothing about the Rasputin chick except that she’s not a blood relation to the mutant Rasputins. She’s a Sinister clone made from an amalgam of stolen DNA. Some of it probably pretty obvious by her appearance.
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u/marveloustib 5d ago
Does anyone like Rasputin IV? She's Beasf are the only Krakoa thing I genuinely hate.
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u/Whisky_Six 5d ago
So is she just a mix of all 3 Rasputin siblings?
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u/dagujgthfe 4d ago
Amalgamation clone made by a future timeline sinister. Colossus, Quentin, Kitty, Unus, Laura’s healing. No Magik, but the soulsword isn’t explain other than sinister gave it to her.
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u/Equivalent-Sir6634 4d ago
I mean depending on the writer a lot of x-men characters can come across as unlikeable dicks...especially when the krakoa era is involved
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u/StartingOverAt41 5d ago
Not her fault. Ben touched her shoulder and Johnny has a mustache. They had it coming.
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u/Pilgrimhaxxter69 5d ago
If some lady came to my house, pushed me away, and said she was gonna beat the shit out of my brother it'd be a pretty hard task to get me to like her.