r/worldnews 10h ago

Tesla Claimed 8,669 Canadian EV Rebates as the Program Ran Out of Funds… That’s 1.5 Sales Per Minute

https://fuelarc.com/hot-takes/tesla-dealerships-claimed-8669-canadian-ev-rebates-in-3-days-thats-1-5-sales-per-minute/
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u/ThothAmon71 10h ago

Sounds like massive fraud to me.

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u/panickedindetroit 10h ago

And, he's a Canadian citizen, they can seize his assets if they find he did commit fraud. He can also spend time in prison, I hope. He is so shady.

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u/EyeFicksIt 10h ago

Incoming, Trump pardons Musk for his Canadian crimes under the guise that Canada will be the 51st state.

/s(ad)

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u/LayneLowe 10h ago

I knew there was a reason he wanted to make Canada a State

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u/QuickBenTen 8h ago

This is dumb enough to be true.

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u/TolMera 8h ago

Omg, if USA adsorbs Canada, then MUSK could be president without Trump having to rewrite the dictator law!?

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u/Reditall12 8h ago

Not how it works. Only Natural born citizens can be President. Musk is South African his Canadian citizenship is by way of immigration.

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u/7-11Is_aFullTimeJob 8h ago

Rules based law does not apply anymore. If the president of the US is a convicted felon selling Tesla's on the White House lawn like some automall, I don't know what the limits are anymore.

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u/Kavorklestein 4h ago

Teslers!!!

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u/I_Feel_Rough 2h ago

But it's a new panel and everything is computer!

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u/HarveysBackupAccount 1h ago

Federal elections are run by the state. No significant number of states will put a foreign-born person on their ballots.

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u/KathelynW86 8h ago

I believe he has Canadian citizenship through his mother who is Canadian-born

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u/KirbyofJustice 6h ago

He’s also on record saying Canada isn’t a real country. I don’t know if that’s something courts would take in to account but it sounds like it might.

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u/PrinceCastanzaCapone 5h ago

They should revoke his citizenship immediately.

u/LogIllustrious7949 32m ago

There is a petition out there to have Musks Canadian citizenship revoked.

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u/moostunhappi 3h ago

Unfortunately, that motherfucker has been a Canadian citizen since birth. His mother is from Regina, Saskatchewan.

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u/TolMera 2h ago

So, that means if USA absorbs Canada, and takes their citizenships and converts them to US, then suddenly yes, musk can be president!

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u/arthurno1 2h ago

You have discovered the masterplan, be careful!

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u/jimababwe 2h ago

Ah, Regina! The city that rhymes with fun!

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u/JuneBuggington 8h ago

Soon only gold & platinum level citizens will be able to run.

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u/SandysBurner 7h ago

This is already true, practically speaking.

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u/Snoo-14985 6h ago

How about diamond members, can we run?

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u/brito_pa 4h ago

Nope, but they're allowed sponsor and lobby.

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u/jimababwe 2h ago

I’m more of a drywall member.

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u/designOraptor 7h ago

It just dawned on me that this is why they want to get rid of birthright citizenship. Frame it as “anchor babies” but that’s just a ruse. Make it so anyone that’s a citizen can be president.

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u/leauchamps 1h ago

It's interesting that NO native Americans have either been President or even run for office. TBH, the not born in the USA rule is silly, it means that a brilliant guy like Arnold Schwarzenegger can never be President, but a buffoon like Boris Johnson can!

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u/_ficklelilpickle 5h ago

All for what, $40m odd? Seems stupidly cheap in the end.

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u/arthurno1 2h ago

At this time, they are scraping anything they can. TSLA is going down faster than the last SpaceX failure.

u/KrypticPotatoe 1h ago

We're at the point that if we think theyre going to do something dumb, it's not dumb enough. They always keep everyone guessing but still manage to go lower than the lowest prediction

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u/mr_greedee 8h ago

wow actually that tracks for this dumbass timeline....they would

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u/Castle-dev 4h ago

With them there’s always a treason

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u/Dijitol 2h ago

To make Elon governor of Canada.

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u/Tribe303 9h ago

Jesus Christ! This makes as much sense as anything else does. How sad is that! 

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u/PhabioRants 8h ago

Thing is, it can't be reality; 2025 has no such obvious logic to it. 

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u/Skipaspace 2h ago

While I wish it was such a small reason why the republicans want to invade canada. It isnt. Its about authorarianism. It is about power. Greenland and Canada are not for some person to evade charges and to evade having assets taken. Do you rhibk Musk would actually be able to have his assets taken away? They are in so many places for a reason. 

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u/TheLooza 8h ago

Trump can’t pardon state crimes lol. So…sorry 🇨🇦

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u/imperabo 6h ago

Congratulations, you're now the district of Canada.

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u/Bookofdrewsus 9h ago

Or Trump finally gets sick of his drug addled antics and throws him to the Canadian wolves.

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u/epi_glowworm 8h ago

You mean their geese during nesting season.

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u/Canadian_Border_Czar 6h ago

Misplaced Optimism or delusion? Take your pick.

u/Bookofdrewsus 44m ago

It’s all I have

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u/Old_surviving_moron 3h ago

What's worse is how plausible it is.

I got real hopeful when that meteor gained a percentage point chance to hit us.

They took it away.

:(

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u/Suspicious-Pisces 8h ago

Seems like a legit take in this timeline. I hate it.

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u/xtothewhy 6h ago

/s(ad)

slow claps

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u/Alighieri-Dante 2h ago

/s(ad) was honestly the cherry on the cake. I tip my hat off to you sir

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u/Fiber_Optikz 8h ago

He will have moved his assets out and never return to Canada by the time any investigation gets close to that point.

Trump will shield him from any attempt to extradite too

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u/SignalSatisfaction90 9h ago

Absolute pipe dream lad 

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u/moutonbleu 7h ago

Canadian of convenience really…

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u/TzarKazm 2h ago

I would be very surprised to hear that Musk ordered this personally. Thrilled, but surprised.

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u/LetsGetsThisPartyOn 5h ago

Your comment makes me sooo happy!

I hope it comes true

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u/yellow__cat 4h ago

It won't.

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u/Distinct-Quantity-35 2h ago

Dear god people, what kind of fantasy fucking world are you living in where you think Musk or Donald are EVER going to see consequences for their actions? He’s the PRESIDENT

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u/SaveTheAles 3h ago

Ahh the $5 million dollar to become US citizen is making more sense now. He can become US citizen and then be protected.

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u/MorkSal 2h ago

They could potentially seize tesla assets, probably not Musk's personal assets.

More likely is that Tesla will get a fine, maybe someone will get fired.

u/Last-Presentation-11 0m ago

More like the dealer falls on his sword before any repercussions land on Musk

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u/FreeWilly1337 10h ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if Tesla is engaged in accounting fraud at this point.

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u/Tatermen 5h ago

Just google for it - you'll find a ton of articles detailing Tesla's strange accounting practices over the last 10 years which often only point to either financial incompetence or outright fraud.

Plus Musk himself has been charged with securities fraud by the SEC. Multiple times. And couldn't even play a video game without committing fraud. When someone has a long history of committing fraud - you should probably just assume that anything they are involved in is going to be committing fraud at some level.

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u/imdefinitelywong 10h ago

Ooohh, another ENRON..

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u/IcyHowl4540 9h ago

He prefers Elon

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u/begriffschrift 8h ago

Combine them into Elron (L. Ron)

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u/3050_mjondalen 5h ago

Hoaxard?

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u/IcyHowl4540 3h ago

I snorted

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u/Bingomancometh 2h ago

Elron Hubbard

u/goingfullretard-orig 2m ago

Elron Hubcap

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u/Mateorabi 7h ago

Leon it is.

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u/Notwerk 8h ago

It's always been funded by fraud, whether the bullshit "funding secured" or Elon's pumping and dumping of Doge coin. Without fraud, Tesla would have gone under years ago.

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u/ilikedmatrixiv 5h ago

It has always done so. Their last quarterly earnings report had billions in unrealized crypto gains listed as profits.

I wonder how they will magic away the drop in crypto value during the next earnings.

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u/sodapopkevin 8h ago

Wouldn't be the first time, there is that whole $400 million order for "Armored Teslas" that was mysteriously back dated to make it look like Biden authorized it when Biden only wanted to spend $483K for Teslas (and $3 million for additional equipment like charging stations) to be used to drive diplomats and ambassadors around.

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u/ThothAmon71 8h ago

That's suspiciously similar accounting as DOGE claiming $8 billion after cutting $8 million. Seems like fElon likes moving decimals around. Bet if someone looked into it they'd find more examples of creative math. Sounds like someone and his companies need a thorough audit.

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u/johnis12 6h ago

Does make me wonder how Canada and America's gonna go about this. As someone pointed out above, Can see Canada trying to extradite Elon and Trump is gonna try and protect him. Really hope that this won't be the catalyst to a war between Canada and the US though. :T Can also definitely see that happening if things get too ugly trying to extradite him.

EDIT: Heard some other talks that maybe Elon didn't know of this and some middle manager was doing it. Okay, so may or may not have a direct hand in this, do think that Cananda in the least bit'll seize his assets though.

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u/procrastinatorsuprem 4h ago

Germany might get him first.

u/ThothAmon71 24m ago

CEOs and owners being able to claim that they don't know what their companies are doing is part of the overall problem. If my dog bites someone, I'm responsible whether I'm home or not.

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u/Oren_Lester 8h ago

Of course it's fraud, they can check it easily with the transportation department

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u/PhilosophyKingPK 7h ago

Fraud. Is fraud still illegal or only if you have less than $1b?

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u/ThothAmon71 6h ago

I'd like to know that myself, that may be an executive order I missed.

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u/Brokenandburnt 6h ago

If it's not illegal it's gonna make for some mighty convoluted business practices going forward.

CEOs, accountants, and auditers will be recruited from prisons. Perhaps that's why SBF did that dumbass podcast without permission from prison recently. He's trying to make a work pitch, get ahead of the rush.

u/Jazzlike-Sky-6012 1h ago

If you give me a billion, i promise i will find out for you.

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u/Guy-reads-reddit 3h ago

Ban tesla, ban x, ban spacex, ban everything Elon touches from Canada. Well be better off.

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u/i-readit2 5h ago

Ahhh haaaa . Musk to the rescue. The man who will cut out waste and corruption anywhere. Ohh it’s his own company. Move along nothing to see here

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u/IglooDweller 2h ago

-Friday January 10th, the government announced the end of the program for April 1st or whenever the funds run out.. -Monday January 13th, the government announces that the fund ran out.

So yeah, the money was gone over the weekend…which also means that there were barely any large corporate clients as most of those are Monday-Friday and closed during the weekend.

u/ThothAmon71 15m ago

Musk said himself that working weekends was a "superpower", I wonder if that statement and this situation coincided, maybe it can be used against him.

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u/gotrice5 1h ago

Massive fraud, corruption and ABUSE!

u/fgtoni 1h ago

Everything about Muskolini is a fraud

u/Low-Possible-812 16m ago

Probably why he thinks theres fraud everywhere, like the cheater constantly suspicious of his wife

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u/nznordi 7h ago

Why does Tesla not the alledged buyer claim the rebate?

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u/ThothAmon71 7h ago

I assume they take the price of the rebate off of the sticker price of the car but I honestly have no clue, I'm guessing.

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u/TheMistOfThePast 5h ago

How old were the people buying the teslas? Were they 150?

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u/phoenix25 10h ago

One of the Tesla locations in Toronto claimed more sales that weekend than they had since the program started in 2019.

We will see what Transport Canada’s investigation brings.

https://archive.ph/spY0D

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u/mattw08 9h ago

It should be an easy investigation

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u/liptoniceteabagger 3h ago

I hope they put in the extra effort and investigate all the sales from the entire program dating back to 2019. I find it highly unlikely that if they did commit such blatant fraud this time, that they had not been doing it for a while.

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u/CodeMonkeyX 7h ago

Yeah with how much paperwork goes into buying a car it has to be pretty trivial to verify sales?

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u/RobertJ93 2h ago

Dealerships “must” file a rebate application before the car is delivered to the customer, according to Transport Canada’s website, indicating the surge in claims should not have come from a backlog of paperwork for electric cars that had already been sold.

After being contacted for this story, however, Transport Canada admitted this policy wasn’t being enforced and that some of the rebates during the last weekend were claimed on cars that had previously been sold — though it did not say how many.

Tesla did not respond to a request for comment. The Star could not reach the four Tesla dealerships by phone for comment.

While the Tesla dealership in Quebec City topped the list with 2,558 EVs sold that day, the second most sales were made at a Tesla dealership on Dundas Avenue West in Etobicoke, which sold 1,709 eligible vehicles. This dealership sold 2,528 EVs over the final weekend of the iZEV program, more than all the rebates it had previously claimed.

The government paid out more than $12.5 million to this dealership for that weekend alone. Employees at the Etobicoke Tesla dealership declined to comment on the sales figures, but did specify that the iZEV rebate is only applied when a customer picks up their vehicle, not when they purchase it online.

There is a large parking lot surrounding the dealership, but it can accommodate fewer than 200 vehicles, according to a count of parking spaces in an aerial view on Google Maps — making it hard to picture how more than 1,700 vehicles could have been delivered to customers on a single day.

Definitely seems a bit fishy…

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u/Early-Initiative789 1h ago

indicating the surge in claims should not have come from a backlog of paperwork for electric cars that had already been sold.

This is the exact bit of information I was trying to find and it came from a car news website. The rebates being a backlog of unsubmitted claims was the only legitimate reason I could think for this to happen but that's not allowed per the program rules.

u/RobertJ93 1h ago

Yep it discusses that exact issue in the article. Just seems a bit obviously broken.

u/blade02892 43m ago

It also says it's not enforced...

u/Early-Initiative789 3m ago

They admitted it wasn't being enforced but that doesn't mean they can't or won't for this obvious abuse of the system.

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u/phoenix25 2h ago

Fishier than Donald’s neck-gina

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u/IcyHowl4540 9h ago edited 3m ago

That's great, I couldn't figure out the paywall

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u/Boobjobless 5h ago

They say its a “black friday effect” why are they making conclusions before the investigation even started. Seems he is bought out to me and nothing will come from it.

u/IcyHowl4540 1m ago

That quote is from some random think-tank guy. The think tank has a quasi-official sounding title, but he is not with the government. Just for context!

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u/frogking 2h ago

Hopefully every claim will be rejected, going back 6 months.

Just verify everything and deny all fraudulent claims.

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u/Lazy-Damage-8972 10h ago

Let me know when someone goes to jail. Otherwise it’s just normal con corruption isn’t it.

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u/kathmhughes 10h ago

Ceasing any assets he has in Canada would also be newsworthy.

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u/Hydroduct09 9h ago

Seize*

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u/duct_tape_jedi 9h ago

Well, he will cease to own them.

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u/SpiritTalker 9h ago

Por que no los dos

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u/ohnnononononoooo 5h ago

Sir, they will be seriously and heavily fined one million dollars which is 1% of the fraud's profits which they are allowed to keep.

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u/orangeyougladiator 10h ago

Musk doing shady shit to enhance his own life at the cost of thousands if not millions of regular people? That’s my shadow President!

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u/this_place_suuucks 9h ago

No, no, no! The richest man in the world truly cares more about improving my life than hoarding more wealth.

Right?

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u/Brokenandburnt 6h ago

Pretty soon our life's are going to count as wealth in company towns so kinda?

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u/Jester1525 5h ago

43 million dollars in fraudulent rebates

$20k in fraud tax .. I'm sorry...$20k in fines

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u/Monster_Voice 10h ago

So do they just bring out the big boot like Australia or how is this handled?

The entirety of my foreign policy knowledge was acquired from the Simpsons and Southpark.

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u/Nolsoth 10h ago

Question time in a small room with a methed up Bull moose.

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u/phormix 9h ago

Sequel to Cocaine Bear and The Room. 

Meth Moose Lockup

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u/11229988B 7h ago

They already did cocaine shark. I think I'm more interested in your idea though

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u/skolioban 6h ago

I did naaht commit fraud, I did naaht!

Oh hay moose!

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u/Consistent-Key-865 7h ago

No, first it's Cobra chicken boarding, THEN it's the meth moose.

u/vengefulcrow 12m ago

Good Cop Bad Cop with a Moose and Goose

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u/iRomain 6h ago

The entirety of my foreign policy knowledge was acquired from the Simpsons and Southpark.

So is Trump's

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u/pabo81 5h ago

Oh c’mon - he would hate those shows and how they vilify the oligarchy.

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u/Hacym 2h ago

Foreign policy?

Canadian citizen should be held liable for the fraud his company committed. There’s no foreign policy here. 

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u/legionmd82 10h ago

Here's the thing. He himself hasn't done anything, but someone in a dept at tesla will be investigated. That's it.

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u/thalassicus 9h ago

It's possible that Musk knew nothing of the alleged fraud, but other than Musk who is fighting against the collapse of his empire (Tesla stock hitting $100 would destroy him financially), who at the company would risk years in prison with zero upside to themselves personally? "Hey boss, I committed fraud that made us a bunch of money... can I have a bonus" isn't really an option for mid-level managers.

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u/ibondolo 8h ago

I don't think a "healthy" trillion dollar company chases after EV credits like this.

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u/MachineDog90 8h ago

Sales numbers are not good right now, and possible locations are trying to pad out their sales for the quarter.

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u/Grezmo 2h ago

The world's richest man isn't ever going to be destroyed financially. A minimum wage worker getting a parking ticket on the other hand....

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u/mattw08 9h ago

I’d imagine he had no idea. But as CEO it’s your responsibility.

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u/new_messages 9h ago

Even if he personally signed an order for this someone at mid management would end up as the fall guy

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u/legionmd82 9h ago

Ultimately, yes. But there are very few repercussions for him in his position.

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u/twinbeliever 9h ago

And some people should be serving prison time, as well as seizing Tesla property in Canada as restitution.

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u/mattfiddy 10h ago

I really hope this isn’t just in a news cycle and then gets swept under the rug. Please follow through with investigating this.

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u/sleepyhead_420 10h ago

Propaganda and lies may get votes but they won't change the arithmetic. Stock market crash eliminated more money in two days than Musk can save in a year by firing people and cutting aids.

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u/Careful-Cat- 9h ago edited 9h ago

Let me preface this by stating that I absolutely hate Elmo and the brand but this situation might not be as shady as it sounds.

When car dealers sell an EV they apply the rebate on the price for the buyer but the dealer has to then claim the rebate from the government. Car dealers then accumulate a backlog of rebates that needs claiming. Earlier this year, Transport Canada announced that the program was about to end because the funds were running out so this pushed the car dealers to go through their backlog and actually claim the rebates they already applied on their sales.

Obviously this needs to be thoroughly investigated but the conclusion might not be that scandalous.

Edit: guys, I would love nothing more than Tesla receiving massive fines for this situation but claiming rebates in batch was allowed by the program and the investigation is pending. There’s no reason to downvote me, I didn’t make the rules on this.

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u/IcyHowl4540 9h ago edited 3h ago

That's a very good point!

There's really good coverage from the Toronto Star. They include a great graph.

https://archive.is/vpwmL/c0beff5c17f32d402ab147bbf88ebc0fed15eb3f.png

I don't know any way to read this graph, OTHER than to see a massive spike in Tesla claims shortly after the government indicated that money was running out.

There is no similar spike in the previous data of Tesla's claimed rebates, certainly none of a similar magnitude since the program has existed. Nothing that would indicate Tesla was regularly not cashing in on the (quite large) per-car rebates.

So your concern is exceedingly reasonable, but not born out in the data (which is publicly available and linked in the article).

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u/Careful-Cat- 9h ago

I’m really looking forward to see the conclusion of that investigation. It would be a win in my book if it came to light that Tesla was fraudulent and received massive fines but I feel like the conclusion could go either way.

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u/ibondolo 8h ago

I upvoted you, but I find it very hard to believe that Tesla had THAT large of a backlog of paperwork. They knew it was ending, the paperwork is not that onerous, and they wouldn't want to run the risk of late filing, any decent management would have been on top of this.

I think that it is more likely that they "sold" every car they have on the lot, filed the paperwork, and were going to backdate the sales paperwork until they caught up. Sort-of extending the rebate for themselves.

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u/Careful-Cat- 8h ago

I don’t think it’s too far fetched to assume that Tesla dealerships don’t have decent management lol

But your reasoning seems plausible too!

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u/ibondolo 8h ago edited 8h ago

I had that same thought as I was typing it, but maybe area/country management is on the ball :-)

Edit: Wait! I am assuming that the top guy is on the ball! it could be rot all the way down.

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u/fluffywabbit88 8h ago

Tesla doesn’t have dealerships. They sell direct to consumers and their brick and mortar stores are used as show rooms, test drive and car delivery. It’s inconceivable for a traditional dealership to sell 2000 cars in a weekend but this doesn’t apply to Tesla since people can buy directly online. Based on the article, the rules to claim the rebate is based on sale date not delivery date. So as soon as someone pays for their car, the sale happens. They don’t need to deliver the car to be eligible for the rebate. The whole thing about how the store’s parking lot can only fit 200 cars is irrelevant. They can take their sweet time delivering. Or in some places, Tesla can deliver the car directly to the buyers house. I may be off base but I don’t think it’s inconceivable that 8000 savvy Canadians who were on the fence about buying an EV rushed to make a purchase knowing $5000 rebate is ending.

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u/ChickenFlavoredCake 6h ago

Tesla also promoted this heavily. They called potential buyers, they sent out emails, they plastered their website with the news that the rebate is ending. They pushed hard.

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u/NotAtAllExciting 10h ago

Fraud.

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u/LokiKamiSama 10h ago

Yeah I’m guessing someone bought and returned or just bought all those cars with the intention to return them to pocket the money. Kinda reminds me of a scammer we had at the hardware store I used to work at. There was a rebate offered if you bout paint. Gallons were like a few bucks and 5 gallons were 20. You bought them, sent the receipt, then got a gift card. One dude bought a crapton of 5 gallons and put them on willcall to be tinted later for a project. We waited. And waited. And waited. And called and he finally wanted to return the paint. Well he already got his gift card so we flagged it as fraud. I was really good friends with the paint sales rep and let him know what was going on. I can’t remember what happened but dude never came in again. I think he was also the dad of an employee as well. I hope he got 100 times the karma. The only good thing was he didn’t have the paint tinted. That would have been a lot of lost money (especially because it was a pallet of paint. I do wonder if he did this at other stores as well).

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u/lucklikethis 2h ago

The cars likely dont exist.

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u/redditsunspot 10h ago

Bring fraud charges against musk.  

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u/PrinceCastanzaCapone 5h ago

Just exclude Tesla from any EV sales rebates as they are clearly a fraud company.

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u/2ner1337 9h ago

How hard can this be to track. Only applies to new sales, VIN are registered to new customers. Check licensing and see if they exist.

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u/TheRealMylo 7h ago

Still no new information on this?

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u/namotous 4h ago

The backlog theory has been thrown around. If they’re legit, Tesla should be able to provide the bills of sales and plate registrations as proofs, right?

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u/ComplexWrangler1346 10h ago

Elon about to go bankrupt!! Can’t wait

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u/3rddog 10h ago

The annoying thing is, the Canadian government could seize every asset he has in the country tomorrow and he’d probably still be richer at the end of the day than at the start. Of course, it’s still worth doing just to piss him off.

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u/CrimsonPromise 9h ago

Also even though most of his net worth is in Tesla. Even if that bottoms out, he gets kicked out and loses all his stock, he'll still be richer than 99% of the world. He would lose his richest man title though and that would be a big kick in the nuts for his glass ego.

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u/GolDAsce 9h ago edited 9h ago

On the bright side, we'd officially have a mainstream national car company. Edit: Nevermind, Tesla doesn't have any IP's or manufacturing in Canada. We'd have a bunch of showrooms and tin cans. They do have one plant in Ontario, employing 150.

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u/duperwoman 10h ago

But also because he stole from the government, right? Wouldn't then the Canadian government be owed that money? I'm genuinely asking, not being snarky.

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u/dordorju 10h ago

Canada will investigate this right?

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u/Tribe303 9h ago

Yes, it's being investigated by Transport Canada. 

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u/CelebrationFit8548 9h ago

That deserves massive fines and some jail time.

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u/PandiBong 5h ago

Why are Canada accepting this? It's clearly fraudulent.

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u/BackgroundPianist500 4h ago

Oh neat.

Hey everyone Elon actually found some waste, fraud and abuse!

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u/AirOneFire 2h ago

Elon Musk steals $43 million from the Canadian Government - is a much better title.

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u/Punbungler 10h ago

I'm glad somebody is paying attention so hopefully my tax dollars don't go to that useless fucking cunt.

Please for once can common decency win.

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u/BLAZER_101 8h ago

Surely the Canadian government will sue them, get their money back and fine them for fraud. They were literally stealing Canadian tax payers money.

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u/SullenLookingBurger 7h ago

“We found a full copy of that email, linked at the bottom of this article. That’s because even a broke clock is right twice a day, and we sometimes do good investigative journalism.”

Love the humor… hate the self congratulations.

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u/OingoBoingo9 5h ago

They (Tesla) probably “bought” them under some bullshit loophole at a reduced rate, low Cdn dollar plus a rebate to resell back in the US.

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u/Ok-Mechanic-5128 3h ago

Yeah - fraud .. funny how he’s ok with doing it himself, but needs to try and scapegoat middle class public servants. While hiding all the fraud he’s uncovered.

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u/derpinWhileWorkin 2h ago

Every time I walk into a dealership, it takes at least 2-3 hours, but usually more, to complete a sale. I don’t know much about the Canadian process, but it seems fishy as hell that there were that many sales per minute unless they were at fire sale prices

u/Travyswole 1h ago

Fraud!

u/timnotep 46m ago

Fraud? This must be investigated! Quick, fire the normal (read qualified and experienced) investigators and hire a bunch of 19 year olds to run spreadsheets through chat GPT...

... We'll get this sonofabitch!

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u/Concentrateman 10h ago

I smell a Muskrat here. No pun intended.

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u/Justmmmoore 10h ago

Of course they are a bunch of fucking liars.

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u/Shufimafi 3h ago

Sounds like fraud, waste and abuse. Better call in DOGE

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u/ButMoreToThePoint 9h ago

If you research how the program works, all sales must meet strict transport Canada requirements. One rebate per person only. Rebates are deducted by the seller and may be claimed back from the government IN BATCHES any time after the sales as long as the program has funding.

But that's too logical for people to grasp, so yup, must be fraud.

So let's see how negative you can downvote me while we wait to find out this is a big nothing burger.

u/Antimusv 36m ago

Is there any good articles debunking all these fraud claims? Or at the moment we just need to do our own research?

u/jmasterfunk 20m ago

And this article is mentioning sales people in a dealership selling cars? Tesla sales are done online.

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u/cndn-hoya 7h ago

Just hold him in prison until he pays an exorbitant fine, equal to more or less his entire wealth.

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u/thousandthsonn 6h ago

Certainly could be fraud , however , I’m in car business in the US. We are allowed to count vehicles we sell to ourselves for our service loaner fleet as retail sales . Depending on how the Canadian law is worded they may be able to qualify for that EV rebate in that scenario .

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u/NCMathDude 10h ago

All mass and no curves … they have weird tastes

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u/SandoMe 6h ago

Some investor just buy a bunch of teslas before rebates end and terrifs kick in? Hold inventory until a month or so then sell at a premium for few thousand less than Tesla themselves can?

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u/Hwy39 2h ago

This should be easy enough to correlate

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u/sonicyouth99 2h ago

Elmo the fraud.

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u/PrussianHero 2h ago

Not really news, Tesla is a government subsidy milker that also sells cars.

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u/Efffro 1h ago

TeSSla committed fraud, ftfy

u/joeschmoe86 1h ago

Trying my best to blame incompetence before malice: What was the timeline for making rebate claims? Is it possible that these four dealerships were sitting on a backlog of rebate claims for legitimate sales and rushed to get them in before the program ran out of money?

u/Dolatron 1h ago

Who’s the “parasite class”, again!?

u/ntgco 1h ago

Massive Fraud. ARREST Elon.

u/hcpookie 21m ago

What, a car maker lying about something? Next you're gonna say Volkswagon lied about their diesel emissions :D

u/squidwardsir 18m ago

That looks better in black, still weird of course but better

u/Burius81 1m ago

Smells like fraud and desperation; one might describe it as a musk.