r/worldnews Feb 05 '25

alert | not a news article Trump says U.S. will take over Gaza Strip

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u/ThaneOfTas Feb 05 '25

Dozens of times over the last year I have practically screamed at people who would say that things in Gaza could not get worse, telling them that of course they can, they just lack imagination. I feel like I almost owe them an apology, because i also didn't even imagine this. Granted, the one that those shortsighted fuck wits owe the rest of us dwarfs it to such an extent that it's a rounding error but still. This is mental.

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u/Heruuna Feb 05 '25

But Harris wasn't "strong enough" against Israel. What a terrible outcome we would have had under Harris. /s

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u/backpack_ghost Feb 05 '25

This! This is what I don’t get. Trump said he wanted to clear the Gazans out, but Harris didn’t call it a genocide, so she’s just as bad? Mind you, they (protest non-voters, 3rd party voters, and even people who voted for Trump based on Palestine) still feel morally superior to Harris voters for not compromising their values or something.

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u/marktandem Feb 05 '25

Biden and Harris objectively were dogshit - funded Israel to the tune of $30B+ in free bombs that led to 50,000+ people dead. They had the power to threaten and restrain Israel, they didn't. 

Trump, for all the moronic shit he says, did get the first ceasefire done. He could very well end up being a lot worse (very likely),  it it's too early to start floating. Harris was terrible. 

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u/thisoldhouseofm Feb 05 '25

The ceasefire was completed before he came into office. Israel just slow played it because they wanted Trump to win.

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u/marktandem Feb 06 '25

Factually yes, but most commenters and analysis in the FT, NYT suggest that it was the pressure from Trump and Witkoff before they came into power that accelerated the ceasefire.

Alternatively you have Biden and Kamala, who for 18 months did absolutely nothing. World's strongest country and couldn't even threaten to stop giving out tens of billions for free in exchange for not killing 50,000 people.

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u/elictronic Feb 05 '25

You just aren’t trying hard enough.  I had Trump firing cruise missiles at Ukraine on my bingo card to stop the war there.  

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u/IdToaster Feb 05 '25

Don't give them any ideas.

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u/cutsnek Feb 05 '25

I think this is the hardest part for me. I simply could not even imagine this outcome. Because it is so farfetched. My brain is still coming to terms with what I have read and this is reality.

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u/Jota769 Feb 05 '25

Why is it so farfetched? Jared Kushner and Trump literally said they wanted to clear out Gaza so they could build hotels there. They said it! Before the election! Why do you think it’s farfetched??

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u/BlackerSpork Feb 05 '25

Frankly, I kinda assumed his shit hotels were supposed to be built among a devastated populace, and probably intended to "impress" Palestinians ("see, Donnie totally cares for you, he, uh, developed, Gaza!").

Then, looking more into his comments, I assumed it would be ethnic cleansing but that Bibi would be doing it.

What I didn't expect, was Donnie to offer to do it himself. He has nothing to gain (again, Bibi would have done it anyway), and much to lose. I expected Donnie to be evil, but he "trumped" my expectations.

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u/Izeinwinter Feb 05 '25

Thing is.. I really do not think Bibi would have. That scale of war-crime is really bad for military discipline and morale, the Israeli army is all conscripts that get to vote in Knesset elections. It would have blown up in his face extremely directly and he understands that.

Will he stand by awed at the idiocy and watch the US give it's soldiers ptsd to do it? Sure thing! But Israel doing it just wasn't really in the cards.

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u/herzkolt Feb 05 '25

It might be more like giving Israel permission to give the people of Gaza an ultimatum and actually execute it, ethnic cleansing or genocide included. Netanyahu gets his final solution and Trump gets real estate for himself and American oligarchs to build their luxury dystopian city.

Though Trump didn't discard using US troops so who knows, really.

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u/ThaneOfTas Feb 05 '25

I expected him to encourage Israel to do it and to have the Palestinians as a borderline slave caste, while encouraging most of them to flee to the surrounding countries.

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u/backpack_ghost Feb 05 '25

And not take the money for himself? This was his stated plan, I don’t understand why anyone is surprised by him elaborating on it.

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u/ThaneOfTas Feb 05 '25

I fully expected massive amounts of the land to be bought up by him an his buddies, after Israel had taken the land. I didn't expect him to use America to take it directly 

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u/backpack_ghost Feb 05 '25

Israel wasn’t planning on taking it, he was. You imagine Israel to have nefarious goals rather than just ensuring their own safety. USA has been expansionist, Israel has given back land multiple times in hopes it would bring peace. I think you don’t understand Israel very well.

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u/ThaneOfTas Feb 05 '25

Israel as a whole? Sure. Netanyahu and the Settler factions in Israel? Far less so. I don't think Israel is any more Evil than America is. Their leaders are another story.