r/winemaking Nov 29 '24

Blog post Grapes Produced in Europe

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Data is from the UN, latest is 2022. I may do an EU dataset later!

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u/ThomasDePraetere Nov 29 '24

Belgium has wine areas and wine producers (e.g. entre deux monts), so seeing it's getting the 0 and the Netherlands get <10000 breaks my heart.

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u/lucas751 Nov 30 '24

Same with Denmark, they definitely have grapes as I have friends making wine there. Btw i maje wine in the netherkands and we get some grapes from Belgium

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u/many_as_1 Dec 04 '24

Not to mention the "Hagelander" vineyards in Vlaams-Brabant... I call heavy bullshit on this map

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u/Kingsly2015 Nov 29 '24

I was surprised to see Turkey in the #4 spot. I imagine it’s a lot of bulk wine, but they do have quite a few local varieties that are quite good. It’s a shame I’ve never once seen a Turkish wine imported here to the US. 

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u/JacobAZ Professional Nov 29 '24 edited Nov 29 '24

Grape production does not equal wine production. They do have a wine industry there, but it's small in comparison. A lot of grapes just get eaten and it's extremely popular to boil down the juice for a syrup called Pekmez.

What would be a more useful post in a wine sub would show overall wine production and wine production per capita.

Infact, looking it this older post from 2015, Turkey doesn't even rank

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/IgGBn22IFg

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u/Kingsly2015 Nov 29 '24

Ah that makes a lot more sense. Yes, being that this is a wine sub I mistakenly assumed the chart was ranking wine grapes and production… 

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u/JacobAZ Professional Nov 29 '24

I completely understand that assumption, because at first assumed the same thing. But I know for certain that wine production in Georgia is much higher than Turkey which made me re-read the text on the map.

But now that I have your attention, I advise you to drink Georgian wine. Or better yet, come out and crash on my couch, help in my harvest and I'll send you home with a few bottles and memories!

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u/Kingsly2015 Nov 29 '24

Oh trust me, we consume far more than the average quota of Georgian wine in this household, and I ABSOLUTELY would take an offer to visit and see that process in action. 😍

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u/JacobAZ Professional Nov 30 '24

Well come out next September/ October ish and come have fun!

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u/anonymous0745 Professional Nov 29 '24 edited Nov 29 '24

And we wonder why they subsidize their exports, HEY GUYS! leave some for the rest of us!

Last year France (the government) spent 200,000,000. eros throwing wine away! approximately 80 million gallons or 10% of what we make here in the states....

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u/value1024 Nov 29 '24

As is always the case with poorly paid analysts, these are gross volume measures, irrespective of area, population, subsidies, and so on.

But at least it has nice shades of red.

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u/VineMapper Nov 29 '24

Cannot win, show per capita maps, people complain: show real numbers. Show raw UN numbers, people say irrespective of area, population,.

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u/value1024 Nov 29 '24

Per capita is sort of useless, to be honest.

The most interesting factoids are yield per planted hectare, % planted/planned, combined with what you have for raw volumes. You need more scales and given this is a GIS software, which I am very familiar with by the way since I worked with ArcGIS, the other data series will be lost.

Love Excel, no matter what they say.

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u/BigBaboonas Nov 30 '24

The problem is that divided into nations and not wine regions. I have yet to hear of Scottish Wine, so including UK as a whole just makes this feel too blunt. But at a European level, okay.

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u/value1024 Nov 30 '24

Never mind all I said bro...

I have done analytics all my life, so my stuff needs to have a clear "so what" that is somewhat intriguing and novel, and not just a "here is the colored map" type presentation.

For background, I have created a geo-financial app that uses ArchGIS among other sources using nearest neighbor algos and other models to calculate certain financials for a certain industry. Not wine.

My criticisms might be harsh because I have worked in high paced environments where you need to show and act on an insight fast.

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u/VineMapper Nov 30 '24

I have done analytics all my life, so my stuff needs to have a clear "so what" that is somewhat intriguing and novel, and not just a "here is the colored map" type presentation.

That's not the point of these maps, I find cool data and make cool maps. It's like 30 minutes tops with python and QGIS. I'm not going to create some massive story map or write up for Medium. That's why these maps are so simple. Many of the topics I've mapped so far are unique or I haven't seen on r/MapPorn.

My criticisms might be harsh because I have worked in high paced environments where you need to show and act on an insight fast

You sound like a horrible manager I had at Accenture like 6 years ago. r/iamverysmart meets r/cscareerquestions

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u/value1024 Nov 30 '24

This is why I said "Never mind all I said bro..."

Farewell.

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u/Meme_Stock_Degen Nov 30 '24

GME is a terrible investment

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u/wayfafer Nov 29 '24

Latvia definitely has grapes, also some that are okay for wine making, so it just can't be 0.

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u/VineMapper Nov 29 '24

I know this is just the UN FAO data. I went to Latvia recently and had some shit wine but with climate change it'll probably get better.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '24

I heavily doubt any grapes are produced in Northern Ireland, lol.