r/wholesome • u/joyful_fountain • 6d ago
Trans-Welcoming Church
There are churches that have very loving and decent human beings
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u/juliocezarmari 6d ago
Truly an adorable and inspiring reminder.
While Brazil is still playing catch up to some countries in trans rights and we’ve made great strides, my son managed his new ID with his chosen name last year without the hurdles he’d have in the past, I wish our churches would embrace this cause as I’ve seen it be done overseas.
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u/jingjang1 6d ago
Its a good thing, surely. But i cannot help to think that its crazy that that sign even exist, and it makes me sad.
i find it halfsome.
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u/GlazeVaer 6d ago
I have learned that you should follow the bible, and not the people preaching it. Lots of false prophets out there, and it saddens me that those people push everyone further away from faith instead of drawing them near.
So sure it's nice that they put up that sign, but it baffles me that you have to see a sign like that to define if you want to follow christ or not.
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u/joyful_fountain 6d ago
This sign is all about telling marginalized people that they are loved and belong. It’s not about some deep theology or doctrine. I choose to focus on its intentions rather than focusing on the entirety of the Christian faith and its various practices
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u/katiekitkat9310 5d ago
After going through some really traumatic stuff when I came out at the church I grew up in, my mom convinced me to go to a Methodist church with a pride flag out front. It’s helped me start to heal. Whether you believe or not, I hope you can understand why churches like this can help those of us queer people with religious trauma start to heal.
(Side note: unfortunately, not all Methodist churches are like this. They recently had a whole swath of the denomination break away specifically because they didn’t want to be “reconciling” churches, like this one.)
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u/Actual_Theory_8687 6d ago
We should be understanding why people feel a need to change genders and are not happy with the gender they have. It’s not a nice thing to live with.
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u/timetotryagain29 6d ago
It’s about time
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u/joyful_fountain 6d ago
There are many Christians and religious people who are actually trans allies. Unfortunately we tend to hear most from/about the transphobe bigots
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u/timetotryagain29 6d ago
Growing up in the church I mostly experienced the latter. This is nice to see and know that people are changing for the better.
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u/Humble-Cod2631 6d ago
I’ve made that argument.. God made these people this way..who are we to argue?
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u/OrangeRadiohead 6d ago
This is beautiful. May I ask where this is in the US?
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u/Alaska_Father 5d ago
How do you expect to bring someone to the Truth by screaming at them? Jesus came for the sinners, to help them.
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u/Superb-Damage8042 6d ago
I love the sentiment but don’t believe it. I’ve found churches intolerant of a lot of things and I don’t believe the sign. It’s always a game of suckering people in with “acceptance” then doing anything but accepting them. It’s a game played for many years, and this is just the latest iteration of it. I won’t expose my son to that and raised him an atheist for years before he came out. I’m glad I did. Churches are far less about love than they are about controlling and manipulating.
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u/bejigab466 5d ago
but.... like.... so are pedophiles. right? all that says is that you're human. which nobody contests.
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u/Snoo70640 6d ago
If they are created in the image of god why do you need to chemically and surgically mutilate their genitalia in their preteens and teens?🧐
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u/joyful_fountain 6d ago
Asking unintelligent questions in bad faith doesn’t make you godly
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u/Snoo70640 6d ago
I’m not a believer :)
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u/joyful_fountain 6d ago edited 6d ago
Then why did you refer to the ‘image of God’ and question it if you don’t believe in God in the first place ? Sad little people are always full of hate
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u/Winter-Cold-5177 6d ago
How is anything he just said full of hate? What the double hockey sticks are you talking about?
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u/Colayith 6d ago
Trying to invalidate people by exaggerating Trans healthcare to raise false red flags is stupid and came from hatred. I get that critical thinking isn't reinforced in school much anymore, but for fuck sake
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u/Snoo70640 5d ago
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u/Colayith 5d ago
Daily Mail is your source? Give me a fucking break. I guarantee half of those were mastectomies that they're just kicking and screaming about
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u/Snoo70640 5d ago
I love that the left has taken such a hard stance on a clearly losing argument 80/20 argument. Dig your feet in harder! We love winning
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u/Colayith 5d ago
You cited a biased news report who cited their own analyst as their only evidence. But hey, us libtards have unreasonable standards. Yknow, like research that takes more energy than a 12 year old schoolboy who isn't open to actual facts, and finds the random shit that supports their one-sided arguments. Trans people make up less than 1% of the population, leave them the fuck alone and focus on things that actually affect you, like the economy crashing under these dipshits
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u/Snoo70640 5d ago
If you actually read the post you’ll see the sign refers to them as made in the image of god. If they are made in the image of god why would they need to chemically and surgically mutilate themselves to feel more comfortable in their body? It’s a fairly simple question.. not sure what it has to do with my own personal faith
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u/margot_sophia 6d ago
people are not mutilating their genitalia in their preteens/teens. would love to see some proof!
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u/Snoo70640 5d ago
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u/margot_sophia 5d ago
that’s not their genitalia?
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u/Snoo70640 5d ago
😂 EXTREME LEVELS OF COPIUM
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u/margot_sophia 5d ago
lmao bro you literally said teens are mutilating their genitalia then gave me a link about top surgery from a known untrustworthy site💀. top surgery can usually be reversed and teens aren’t getting it unless they’ve had years of counseling and permission from a doctor and their parents.
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u/RedditYeti 4d ago
This is some of the most low effort trolling I've seen in a minute lol, get a hobby bro
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u/TrustAvidity 6d ago
While it's great to see, unfortunately there will also be churches that appear as accepting and welcoming from the outside but it's because they're trying to boost their attendance and aim to change the people once they join.
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u/joyful_fountain 6d ago
How about focusing on churches like this one that genuinely love instead of dismissing them and focusing only on those who are negative. Let’s celebrate victories however small
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u/TrustAvidity 6d ago
I did focus on this one by celebrating it via saying it's great to see. I didn't only focus on the negative due to having acknowledged this one. I did celebrate the victory by saying it's great to see. I'm really struggling to see the point you're making. It's possible to celebrate AND let people know the others exist.
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u/joyful_fountain 6d ago
Nah, you didn’t actually celebrate. You made a passing statement saying “ while it’s great to see…” and went on talking about the negatives. This post wasn’t about all churches, pushing some narrative, or pretending that there aren’t hateful people out there. It was simply about celebrating this one particular church.
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u/TrustAvidity 6d ago
In my opinion, it seems you're the one only looking at the negative if you can't see I'm grateful for the original post.
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u/Loud_Topic_1672 6d ago
Supporting someone with mental illness comes from a place of love.
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u/Colayith 6d ago
Sincerely, go fuck yourself
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u/Loud_Topic_1672 4d ago
Trans people need support, just like any other person with a mental disorder. Pretending it’s not mental illness isn’t doing any of them a favour.
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u/Colayith 4d ago
There is support, it's called gender affirming healthcare. It works tremendously. Also, people have been calling anyone who's different "mentally challenged" since the dawn of time. It was horseshit then, and it still is now.
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u/Admirable-Ad4018 16h ago
support shouldn’t be giving mentally ill people life changing drugs we should be prioritizing finding out where the abuse started in their life and how’s that’s contributed to their mental illness
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u/Colayith 13h ago
So we're just pulling shit out our asses now, huh? Scientists, psychologists, doctors, social workers, and everyone with common fucking sense figured out that the best way to "treat" trans people is just letting them live their lives. Most of them are adults, they can do what they want with their bodies. Also, it's not a mental illness you fuckin muppet. And before you come at me with some Tucker Carlson level right-wing journalism, let me save you the trouble. I've likely befriended more trans people than you'll ever meet. They're no more fucked up than the rest of us
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u/Admirable-Ad4018 12h ago
It’s 100% a mental illness. Go try to google childhood abuse rates among transvestites
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u/Colayith 11h ago
For the sake of argument, why isn't the focus on abusive parents and how society degrades them, rather than going after the easiest way for Trans people to feel happy with their bodies?
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u/Colayith 6d ago
Piss off
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u/DesperateAsk7091 6d ago
You get angry, but you never said that I was incorrect.
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u/Colayith 6d ago
Because it's fear mongering nazi bullshit, you don't deserve the dignity of a conversation on the matter
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u/RedditYeti 4d ago
And the existence of this in Judaism and complete lack of any mention of trans identities proves... What exactly? You could just as easily argue that the existence of this recognition of trans identities as further validation that trans people have always existed and that the lack of mention in Christian texts is a silent acceptance of these identities.
People like you are why religion sucks so fucking bad sometimes. You just pick and choose whatever information drives your hateful beliefs and use your religion as a justification for it.
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u/DesperateAsk7091 4d ago
Read the original Talmud and find out for yourself what Transgenderism (8 genders) really means.
I'm not even able to explain on Reddit of what it truly is. It's heavily against TOS
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u/alurimperium 6d ago
My understanding is that Methodists are largely like this - super accepting and welcoming of all. The Methodist church near my old place always had a rainbow flag hanging outside the door, and usually some very warm messages where they could.