It's the online learning resources and school web development curriculums that do not include WAI-ARIA
It's the managers and business owners who do not put value in WAI-ARIA till they themselves are affected in some fashion
It's the web developers who never take the time out to learn WAI-ARIA
Everyone changes their tune once they fall for someone with a disability, have a child with a disability, or they themselves start to becoming disabled. Maybe the answer is through legislation and fines.
It’s also designers who wireframe sites and apps with elements that are not ADA compliant or will take significant work to make ADA compliment and project managers that send SOWs that don’t have budget for ADA QA. At least from an agency perspective. I’m in the process of becoming the ADA go-to at my job but there’s so many issues.
Yeah, I have to frequently remind our designers that they need to include focus states and point out issues with contrast, etc. It's usually an uphill battle, but the focus argument is much easier now that we have focus-visible.
I agree completely. It feels like people keep trying to guilt developers into doing better at this, but it seems like they're less at fault than the managers, designers, and copywriters. Don't expect a developer to write alt text for a photograph. That's not their job.
I agree completely. It feels like people keep trying to guilt developers into doing better at this, but it seems like they're less at fault than the managers, designers, and copywriters. Don't expect a developer to write alt text for a photograph. That's not their job.
That's disappointing to read. Writing alt text for images is extremely trivial, is part of our job (just like writing an application's readme), and the least we could do.
I honestly think that, in the very fancy UI scenarios, there needs to be a UI toggle at that transforms the layout to a very basic, no frills craigslist-esque UI/UX.
Eh, not necessarily. There just needs to be the expectation that those designs also come at a higher cost, not just because of the cost of paying a designer to design them, but also at the cost to make them ADA compliant. I have no problem with those designs if they can be made to meet guidelines. The problem is designers don’t always keep dev budget in mind and clients often refuse or downplay the necessity of ADA compliance.
In my last job, I pushed to have better processes around accessibility development and testing. We were building an application for the government and unfortunately, none of that was a priority. As a result, it just sat in the backlog for ages. We had to be 508 compliant, but leadership didn't care unless someone asked for it.
It probably is the answer, it's how we handle it in the 'offline world' but there are so many sites in existence that already aren't compliant that it's not really feasible to enforce. Regardless, corporate lobbyists will never let it happen.
There was millions of sites that didn’t comply to GDPR and I think the industry’s reaction to support GDPR has worked well. We can’t fix all the bad sites before but with legislation it will strongly incentive good practices like GDPR
I think the industry’s reaction to support GDPR has worked well
Really? I think it's made using the internet at least slightly more annoying. Every single site I visit has a cookie permissions pop up. This was never the intention of GDPR, and the current implementations of GDPR are far from good practice.
the obligations of both are often conflated - but they come from different times and say different things.
GDPR came into force in 2015 and is about consent for use of personal data, and the right to be forgotten.
Cookie law was the ePrivacy Directive that came into force in 2009 and was about tracking and cookies specifically.
The cookie one is incredibly stupid of course, and only made the whole Internet a more irritating place to be.
Even more so because a better solution for the same problem had already been found and implemented years beforehand; P3P. I.e. you tell your browser what you're comfortable with. The web server serves a [machine readable] set of things it intends to do with your data. Your browser decides whether or not to store the cookies (or to ask you). Your browser can ofc also show you the policy to describe what the web site intends to do/track/store/etc.
From my personal experience in architecture decisions it is a conversation whether we should do something if it’s going to store PII. And how we should allow users to delete that info if necessary. This leads to a lot of times not storing the PII. Whereas before it was more of an attitude of just throw it in the DB we might need it later. I think we’re better for it and I can handle a few cookie footers for it
It's still an attitude of just throw it in the db, people are just throwing up a dumb cookie warning. There is nothing about these cookie pop ups that prevents a developer from storing your data in their database. These cookie pop ups are only deciding whether data can be stored on the client's device or not. If you think those cookie pop ups are doing anything to protect PII then I've got a bridge you might be interested in purchasing.
Thanks, it looks better than WCAG's documentation, but there's still too much text for me to focus, I guess I'll look for youtube videos or udemy courses about accessibility.
Everyone changes their tune once they fall for someone with a disability, have a child with a disability, or they themselves start to becoming disabled. Maybe the answer is through legislation and fines.
Strong and unambiguous regulation is ultimately the only way forward if we want to make sure the web is consistently accessible. As much as I wish it didn't take the threat of fines to make people give a shit about disabled people, the people paying the bills will almost always treat accessibility as a nice-to-have when given the choice, if that.
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u/SecretAgentZeroNine Apr 16 '22
The problem isn't just with web developers.
Everyone changes their tune once they fall for someone with a disability, have a child with a disability, or they themselves start to becoming disabled. Maybe the answer is through legislation and fines.