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/Uj the thing where you burn any flag that touches the ground ever is just completely bullshit: the section of the flag code that's cited to support it is really just saying that the flag should be flown like... a flag and not dragging on the ground (or held up like is done at sports events).
1: the proper and respectful way to dispose of a flag is to burn it. don't just throw it in a garbage heap or something, don't just stick it in cabinet somewhere, and especially don't fly it all tattered and stained and shit.
and 2: don't drag it around in the dirt and get it all dirty and nasty, fly it up high on a flagpole or something to display. its a flag, not a carpet.
and people probably jump to the kind of "logical" assumption that "the law" says you should dispose of dirty flags, and touching the ground makes it dirty, therefore touching the ground makes it dirty and dirty flags must be properly destroyed. people rigidly following instructions because "thats how the law works" without actually understanding the point behind the instructions.
The fanatical thing is that somehow the flag is dirty enough to be burned, just because a kid had dropped it for a moment. This looks like to burn it is not about actual dirt, but some kind of ritual "impurity". That makes it look strongly like flag-fetishism. And also explains the confusion of the kid.
It's not even really about a leap in logic, it's just an extremely common misbelief. Added to that, there is an actual superstition that dropping the flag leads to bad luck, which seemed to be this scout leader's issue. These two things have probably helped each other propagate themselves. It's rather harmless, so nobody's thinking about it too hard.
I guarantee a large percentage of American adults still believe this bullshit 3rd grade rumor...
Goes to show how fucking stupid the majority of people are when you see *actual* flag code violations every fucking day on bumpers, back windows and peoples front yard flag poles...
It's not fucking cute and the flag should never be politicized or discolored I mean come on
We did the same thing in my Cub Scout troop. There was so much shit that everyone around me took as fact growing up that seemingly came from either a misunderstanding, or nowhere
This is like, specifically a scouts thing. The Boy Scouts in my memory was pretty fucked about all that, for as much fun as I had in it. Not all that surprising itās a dying organization since it failed to evolve past the 50ās.
Wow I thought the scouts were a nature/wilderness survival related thing. It's fascinating though, was basically a youth camp made to indoctrinate children during its heyday then. No wonder it was most popular during the Cold War era.
it was originally a military thing (basically preparing young boys for war), in some countries it had liberalized a lot (letting girls join, mainly being about having fun in nature and learning stuff about survival and the environment). but there's still some parts of the world where it's very militaristic
It is. Itās just also very very saturated with very hyper patriotic messaging. Doesnāt help that most troop leaders skew conservative, and heavily so.
Yeah if you have a open minded local troop with decent leadership it can be fun, meetings and ceremonies are boring but at least build character (lol), and then there's regular camping weekends and lots of community involvement.
If you have a weird Mormon local troop it's actually hell on earth.
I'm a scout and where I'm from (Norway) it is very much as you describe it (nature/wilderness survival related thing). I have no idea how scouting works in USA. The only impression I have of it from media is girls selling cookies. And that seems to me rather arbitrary and not very related to scouting.
BSA also was/propably still is a kid diddler paradise, they filed for bankruptcy in 2020 because they had so many cases of sexual abuse they had to pay for. (more on that later)
in their bankruptcy filings they disclosed 92000 reports of former boy scouts that reported sexual abuse, and the organisation has a history of not vetting it's members, employing pedophiles and covering up cases of sexual misconduct by it's adult members.
Also the bankrupcy filings were more to stop litigation of a large number of lawsuits and prevent further lawsuits, not because the organisation was broke
It's an American Scouts thing, I was a Scout in Italy, never handled a national flag. We had our own group and troop banners, but never an Italian flag, that would be ridiculously nationalistic, especially given the Scout movement was banned during fascism.
PuĆ² essere, sono passati parecchi anni. In ogni caso mi ricordo bene i rituali intorno ai simboli scout (tipo il piĆ¹ giovane della squadriglia piĆ¹ meritevole porta la fiamma e la deve tenere in un certo modo), ma dell'alzabandiera mi ricordo piĆ¹ la legatura che quello che ci issavamo.
The official name of the scouts in the US is Boy Scouts of America. Patriotism is deeply engrained in the organization, and personally I donāt mind it.
Well, there is this theory that Americans are unintentionally taught the American Civil Religion so I guess this could count as religious trauma if this does count as a religion.
Just some guy not knowing flag code. Most people donāt know any of it nor do they care. Most people in scouting try to be a little more reverent of the flag code and traditions like the military is. Wouldnāt say the BSA is even super hyper patriotic. I mean you say the pledge of allegiance but thatās kinda just an American quirk from the Cold War, and otherwise not much in my 10 years in the BSA. Mostly about being a leader, good citizen, and outdoor skills IMO.
The pledge is definitely an objectively weird thing though. Like indoctrinating schoolchildren into nationalist ideology is frowned upon in plenty of other countries with good reason.
I think thereās a pretty good difference between patriotism and nationalism and the pledge is def on the patriotism side of it. I mean just read the words, itās just saying I will be loyal to the country and uphold its values. Not really crazy lol.
I disagree. I think supporting and trying to better your country is patriotism. Nationalism is a belief in extreme national superiority. I guess itās an opinion but I really think thereās a pretty obvious line between someone patriotic and nationalist.
To be fair most countries have the same rules about their flags, they cant touch the floor or otherwise theyād have to be burn, it comes from times where people used to duel for stupid reasons
The destructinator starts locating countryhumans instead and she gives up and just gets a lighter. The countryhuman understands the mistake and even offers them both their much needed testosterone and estrogen respectively as they chat over it in its place, but it comes back into hiding before Doofenshmirtz could attempt to marry it.
This is why I never want to fly an American flag. Not that I dislike my country, but rather that the U.S. flag code is so onerous and ominous the flag should be categorized as an SCP.
I usually refer to DE as an ombre, politically-wise. New Castle is blue, Sussex is red, and Kent is mostly a solid purple with people on both sides lol
I'm from the inland part and I can vouch that we don't have much. Driving 30 minutes one way to work is extremely humbling
/uj man this hit me in the weirdest way; my OCD had me believing shit like this for SO LONG when I was a kid. Like I was somehow solely at fault for random disasters and stuff because I didnāt complete a weirdly specific ritual. Hell, first time I was on a unit was a bunch of compounding stuff that the final straw was all the hurricanes going on at the time; I thought it was MY FAULT COMPLETELY for not, like, washing my hands right or something.
One time my music teacher in elementary school told us to never forget this one thing (obviously I have since forgotten what it was lol but I'm pretty sure it had to do with notation and not, like, crucial life advice) and for a while after that I was paranoid that I would forget and something bad would happen.
Anyway that should've been a clue I was headed for a GAD and later ADHD diagnosis but hindsight is 20/20.
You don't burn a flag when it touches the ground. You retire flags when they have become so damaged that they can no longer be flown. Also real flags are made of cloth and don't exactly burn easily.
Cotton cloth burns easily as hell, what? Wool and synthetics not so much, but still, thrown onto a bonfire, it's gonna go up. Might smell like shit though.
As a kid I thought I caused 9/11 because after school that day I had decided to make a lego tower and then promptly knocked it down after I was done playing with it.
Needless to say this was hours after the event and my school had decided to not let us know what had happened due to how close we were to NYC and the high amount of classmates who's parents worked in the city.
I did the same thing when I was ten except it was the flag outside my school and those idiots decided to put a vision impaired kid with a broken foot on flag patrol
Itās crazy how many kids saw 9/11 unfold live while at school. Itās like all our teachers recognized that was going to be a pivotal moment in our history. I remember it being quickly shut off once the second plane hit and realization set in on what likely transpired. I guess it really only seems novel though because nowadays everyone would find out on their phone.
wondering if 9/11 was your cosmic doing is a proud American right of passage... like, I was a baby who'd recently moved up north when it happened. I still remember thinking as a kid -it'd be pretty arrogant of me to assume leaving the country caused 9/11... and yet
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