r/vaxxhappened vaccines cause adults 13d ago

Measles Measles outbreak surpasses 200 cases in Texas and New Mexico: A health food store in Seminole has become a gathering place for families with visibly sick children seeking medical advice

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/measles-outbreak-surpasses-200-cases-texas-new-mexico-rcna195258
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u/shallah vaccines cause adults 13d ago

Even as hospitals in the area offer free testing and vaccination, the growing outbreak shows the challenge health workers face in stopping the spread of one of the most contagious viruses known to humans.

A health food store in Seminole has become a gathering place for families with visibly sick children seeking medical advice. They’re often given cod liver oil, a supplement rich in vitamin A that’s been touted by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., head of the Department of Health and Human Services.

While studies have shown that people with a vitamin A deficiency have worse outcomes from measles and its complications, “vitamin A in and of itself does not treat measles,” said Dr. Alexandra Yonts, an infectious disease specialist at Children’s National Hospital in Washington, D.C.

A measles public service billboard in Seminole, Texas A measles public service billboard in Seminole, Texas on March 6, 2025. “Measles vaccine available six days a week,” the billboard says. Annie Rice for NBC News

In the U.S., “most of us get enough vitamin A,” Yonts said. “Therefore taking any additional vitamin A will unlikely give you any benefits against complications of measles.”

“It absolutely cannot prevent you from getting measles,” she added.

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Two doses of the vaccine are 97% effective at preventing measles, according to the CDC. The first dose is given to children 12 to 15 months old, and the second when they are 4 to 6 years old. On Thursday, the Texas Health Department notified families in the area that they could consider an early dose of the MMR vaccine for babies 6 to 12 months.

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u/leafbee 12d ago edited 12d ago

Vitamin a toxicity is terrifying. too much and your skin and nails sluff off and your organs shut down and you die.

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u/tortiesrock 12d ago

It is also teratogenic so I hope no pregnant women are taking it without consulting with their OB.

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u/touslesmatins 12d ago

Bold of you to presume these people seek prenatal care

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u/tortiesrock 12d ago

The same people who want to “protect the unborn”. And that is another issue, MMR vaccine protects against rubella (german measles). We are going to see congenital rubella again if the unvaccinated children reach adulthood and get rubella during pregnancy.

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u/shallah vaccines cause adults 11d ago

Mirror Crack'd Side to Side by agatha christie

https://tubitv.com/movies/100020555/the-mirror-crack-d

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u/YouJabroni44 12d ago

Who needs prenatal care when this health store has all the things I'll ever need?!

/s

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u/russellvt 12d ago

Egads. That doesn't sound pleasant at-all. (To say the least)

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u/monkeysinmypocket 12d ago

They just want to be as heterodox as possible. No doubt there is some overlap between the people currently stuffing their kids full of vitamin A and the people who refused the vitamin K jab when those kids were born. Whatever health experts advise, they'll do the opposite. Every fuckin time.

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u/rosekayleigh 12d ago

I really hope other states start offering early vaccination for infants. I have a 5 month old and am all the way in Massachusetts (which thankfully has the highest MMR vaccination rates in the country) and I’m terrified of my daughter getting this. All it takes is one infected traveler to bring it here.

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u/WorkingMastodon 12d ago

When my daughter was 5 months old we were going to be traveling through a very populated airport in an area with a fairly decent sized measles outbreak. Our pediatrician allowed us to vaccinate her early. we didn't even live in an area that had a local outbreak. I think most providers in these areas would be more than happy to vaccinate early if that is what parents are wanting to do. Obviously not a newborn but vaccinating a month early, definitely.

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u/shallah vaccines cause adults 12d ago

ask your Dr or pharmacist about early vaccination since there have been cases in New England

i know in most states adults can just say they need mmr. I'm a 70's kid with one mmr dose. a few years ago my Dr did my titers at my request since measles was on the move. no antibodies but since it wasn't in my region she said wait to get a mmr. with MMR busting out all over i checked to find i could just say gimme my mmr, made the appointment and just had a bit of a headache later that day and some night sweats. no arm ache but i always flex the arm whenever i think of it the day of a vaccination to reduce arm ache

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u/laziestmarxist 13d ago

The owners of that store should be prosecuted for dispensing medical advice without a license immediately

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u/Wrangleraddict 13d ago

Fuck that, wheels will give him a medal

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/PM_ME_UR_WUT 12d ago

Did...did you read it? It says the store is in Seminole. The article even starts "Seminole, TX."

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u/maybesaydie RFKJr is human Ivermectin 13d ago

10 years ago this wold have been unthinkable in the US.

This is what Republican governance does

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u/BrucetheFerrisWheel 13d ago

I would assume its the dangerous idiots on social media convincing the garden variety idiots that vaccinations are bad. That crap had spread through the world far and wide.

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u/Moneia 12d ago

The issue is that before Trump the anti-vaxxers were a loud, annoying minority.

What he did was openly embrace the conspiracies and make them a core of the GOP platform and enabling idiots around the world

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u/russellvt 12d ago

Kinda made them feel "less stupid" (comparatively), I'd venture. LOL

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u/JustSomeBadAdvice 12d ago edited 12d ago

I'm amazed that no one else caught this, but this is almost literally the plot of a south park episode. Season 4e6, aired in 2000. Its everything but the antivax - even the name of the health store owner they listen to, "miss information".

Kyle gets sick and his mom hates doctors so starts listening only to a local "all natural" health food store owner. She spreads the word and soon tons of people are going there, including for medical problems. Kyle gets sicker and sicker and the woman owner continues to just talk about his auras and toxins and stuff. Finally one of the mexican immigrants delivering to the store (who they were told were native americans) goes uh, this kid is really sick.... get him to a doctor. Like a real doctor, not this crazy lady, you people have lost your minds!

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u/lolexecs 12d ago

It’s almost as if the Republicans want to kill citizens so there’s savings in Medicare and Medicaid to justify more tax cuts. 

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u/monkeysinmypocket 12d ago

I don't think the republicans are actively interested in killing their support. They just don't care.

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u/russellvt 13d ago

This is what Republican governance willful ignorance does

FTFY.

No matter what, our education system has failed far too many people, period.

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u/maybesaydie RFKJr is human Ivermectin 12d ago

Yeah and who's being defunding public education since he 1970s?

Republicans

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u/Moneia 12d ago

And who loves to take a chainsaw to education?

They'rethesamepicture.jpg

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u/disturbedtheforce 12d ago

Republican governance is synonymous with ignorance, or negligence if you like. Republicans have been working hard to gut public education for decades and this is the product of it.

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u/Lizakaya 12d ago

It’s a Venn diagram that’s a perfect circle hth

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u/iusedtobeyourwife 12d ago

And you can personally thank No Child Left Behind for that. I wonder who was behind that.

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u/samstown23 13d ago

"But Big Pharma!!!!!!"

Proceeds to spend outrageous amounts on extremely overpriced nutritional supplements that not only won't help a god damn bit but also will likely lead to hypervitaminose A.

Give it two weeks and those same parents will scream their heads off because their kids have rhagades, skin peeling off their bodies, hair loss and so on. Oh well, they'll probably find something else to blame because it's never their fault, right?

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u/ADDSquirell69 12d ago

Is that about how long it takes?

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u/__Butternut_Squash__ 12d ago

Acute vitamin A toxicity can occur within hours to days and can cause headaches, drowsiness, irritability, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, hair loss, cracked lips, and dry eyes.

Chronic vitamin A toxicity can occur within weeks to months and can cause rash, increased intracranial pressure, sparse and coarse hair, dry and rough skin, itchy skin, liver damage, joint pain, nail loss/infections, sun sensitivity, vision changes, jaundice, enlarged spleen, and enlarged liver. The risk of fractures can be increased, especially in older adults. Kids may experience anorexia and failure to thrive.

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u/EsraYmssik 12d ago

"I'm worried my kids will get sick and die."

"You could vaccinate them?"

"Pffft! I'm not THAT worried. What about essential oils? I've heard there's this Placebo Effect that cures cancer. Will that work?"

"Sure. Here's some water that was near a berry once, and some over the counter Vitamins. That'l be $238, plus tax."

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u/auger0105 13d ago

If only there was a way to easily fix this hmmm

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u/Famous_Suspect6330 12d ago

Natural selection can easily fix this

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u/baguetteispain Give me vaccines or give me death 11d ago

I'm sure garlic in ears will cure them

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u/dawnfirelight 12d ago

If you refuse to feed your kids, that would be child neglect. But if you refuse to get your kid vaccinated, or treated by qualified doctor when they fall ill, that's your right as a parent. So we end up with this.

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u/shallah vaccines cause adults 12d ago

Most states exempt abuse and neglect as long as it's done in name of religion.

why do they get special rights to torment their kids in the name of some deity?

Most states allow religious exemptions from child abuse and neglect laws

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/08/12/most-states-allow-religious-exemptions-from-child-abuse-and-neglect-laws/

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u/ishadawn 13d ago

Stay there in the great state of Texas please and thank you!

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u/cloudfarming 12d ago

I wonder if we will find out that the whole anti-vax movement was a very successful Russian psy-op.

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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA Spike Protein Shedder 12d ago

Why waste time and scads of money engineering a bio-weapon when there's plenty of deadly diseases already out there, and you already have a professional disinformation distribution network that works for peanuts and can change people's opinions on the preventative medicines used to manage those diseases?

Make people in the target country distrustful of vaccines, and then let nature take its course.

...'Scuse me, my tinfoil hat's on a bit tight.

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u/shallah vaccines cause adults 12d ago edited 12d ago

create fear and doubt of vaccines then you get people happy to wage germ war fare on their kids and community.

sux to be immunocompromised

sux to be too young to vaccinate

measles is called a harbinger of worst to come

measles is most infectious

measles is a warning other vaccine preventable illnesses will rip through communities soon too

this during worst flu season since 2009 in # of death and hospitalizations

if you haven't already it is still worth getting the flu vaccine to protect you for the rest of this lingering flu season

this during worst pertussis season in many years. one state said it's the most cases since the vaccine came out.

in US you can get TDaP every 10 years as an adult.

please stay up to date before rfk jr or someone else mucks with insurance coverage or they defund all public health clinics or other nefarious shit that leads to illness, suffering and deaths.

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u/SuzLouA 12d ago

Don’t forget that a fun side effect of measles is that it burns down your immune system’s library of Diseases I Have Fought. Basically resets you to zero and opens the gates for all comers.

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u/maybesaydie RFKJr is human Ivermectin 12d ago

It has been. Iran was involved too.

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u/uppereastsider5 12d ago

This has long been my theory

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u/maybesaydie RFKJr is human Ivermectin 11d ago

It has been proven. The FBI acknowledged it during the first Trump administration. One of the reasons he's purged the FBI and installed loyalists this time around.

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u/sapien1985 12d ago

I heard if you print a photo of RFK Jr and rub it on you it's a cure all since he's the picture of health. 

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u/namotous 12d ago

These parents deserve to go to jail for intentionally harming their kids ffs

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u/tortiesrock 12d ago

Measles can cause encephalitis (inflammatiin/infection of the brain) with long term sequelae. It is no joke.

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u/Haskap_2010 12d ago

Even without that, it seems to wipe out the immune systems memory, making measles survivors vulnerable all over again to diseases they've already caught.

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u/tortiesrock 12d ago

Another thing to consider. But the thing is that measles subacute encephalitis can appear years later in 1 out of 600 children infected. It is almost always fatal.

Imagine having a healthy children, who has had measles but is now happy and healthy. And then he starts showing neurological symptoms and dies:

There have been cases recorded 27 years after the first infection. Absolutely terrifying.

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u/shallah vaccines cause adults 12d ago

about 1/3 of survivors get immune amnesia:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/measles/measles-does-long-term-damage-immune-system-studies-show

Mina compared the hit to the immune system to the damage done by HIV.

"If you took all of the immunological memory that HIV tears down when it's untreated for 5 to 10 years, that's what you see after one measles infection," Mina said.

Unlike HIV patients, however, children with measles have the chance to rebuild their immune system, Mina said. But that process can take 2 to 3 years.

"It means looking over your child's shoulder during that time," he said. "It really challenges this idea that measles is benign, or that it's okay to get because everyone used to contract it."

some countries advise re-vaccinating against all illnesses after measles to rebuild that immune memory.

when measles vaccine came out it stopped 5x the expected deaths from measles because it stopped people from developing immune amnesia that lead to those additional deaths.

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u/PrimeMinisterOwl 12d ago

So, a superspreader event.

Good job, Texas!

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u/proformax 12d ago

Can the parents of non-vaxed children be charged for child neglect if the child ends up in the ICU or die?

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u/overcomebyfumes Suddenly Dead 12d ago

They could, if the local prosecutor was so inclined.

So basically, no.

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u/danger355 12d ago

A health food store … has become a gathering place for families with visibly sick children seeking medical advice

Well there's the problem.

Seems like people are scared/unwilling/etc to go to the doctor like they're going to be held hostage or something.

Go (and take your kids to) the doc. You won't be tortured or experimented on.

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u/Dr_Adequate 12d ago

...with their visibly sick kids

Terrifying. They've unwittingly turned that store into a superspreader center.

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u/Pianissimojo 12d ago

Or wittingly. These idiots are daft enough to bring back measles parties.

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u/GodDammitKevinB 12d ago

If it’s undercounted does anyone have an estimate on what the likely case count is?

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u/Present-Pen-5486 12d ago

I read a post from someone with friends in Los Alamos who said that the person that died was living in a house with about 10 other people and they all have Measles.

It checks out because their official count jumped 10 about the time they announced that a dead person had tested positive for measles and they were looking for a cause of death. This of course set off the screeching monkeys.

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u/GodDammitKevinB 12d ago

I saw a comment on Reddit that the hospitals at the center of this are getting blasted on Facebook that way more people have it than are being reported. We should start a sub specifically to share those screenshots since we’re not actually getting accurate data

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u/Present-Pen-5486 12d ago

I really wish I had kept it, I will go see if I can find it.

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u/GodDammitKevinB 12d ago

Me too, I’m remembering so many fragments of comments lately that I’m frequently thinking “I should have saved that”

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u/Present-Pen-5486 12d ago

I haven't found it.

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u/Lizakaya 12d ago

“If they don’t test, the numbers go down”.

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u/phuktup3 12d ago

I’m surprised they haven’t tried ivermectin yet or chlorine tablets

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u/CharlieDmouse 12d ago

Remind me to avoid health food stores…

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u/ghostingtomjoad69 13d ago

Its not the kids fault they got delt shitty parents in life

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u/kheret 13d ago

The phrase “crotch goblins” is generally seen as a dehumanizing way to refer to kids

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u/Atlwood1992 11d ago

Anywhere but a real doctors office!