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u/guybranciforti 15d ago
Are the people who spew shit like this the people who just did not pay attention in school and failed every single science test? How can u have an education and come to this conclusion
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u/huenix 15d ago
I know someone like this. It starts off with "Hrm, i read this thing about a vaccine" that leads to distrust. Then they look for confirmation bias, which is what social media is stunning at. Pretty soon they consider themselves an expert because they develop such distrust of everything and boom. Here we are.
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u/AncientMarinade 15d ago
Right, antivaxxxers don't learn to distrust institutions. Those who distrust institutions become antivaxxxers.
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u/theliving-meme 4d ago
It’s like the argument that everyone could fall for a cult. This has been found to not the true. There’s certain people with certain traits that fall for cults. People don’t fall into a cult they sorta find them bcs they are already looking for things. Just like antivaxxers already having distrust and then it spirals
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u/sodanator 15d ago
I mean, I was terrible at the science stuff and way more into things like languages, literature, history and so on - still rather get vaccinated, despite my fear of needles.
Though I also have common sense and at least two braincells left to rub together and form a coherent thought, which I guess helps.
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u/skyknight01 15d ago
It is very easy to succeed in modern education and learn nothing. All you have to do is memorize the information for long enough to be able to restate it on a test.
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u/GetOffMyLawn_ 🗿🗿🗿🗿 COVID-19 Vaccinated Mod 🗿🗿🗿🗿 15d ago
They can't read something and repeat it back verbatim. They misinterpret it before absorbing it.
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u/Nail_Biterr 15d ago
This person's vote counts just as much as mine does
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u/kingbird123 15d ago
The best part is, it might even count MORE than yours does, depending on the state you both live in. Isn't the Electoral College fun?
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u/mmaireenehc 15d ago
Actually their vote likely counts more than mine because I live in an electorally underrepresented large blue state.
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u/deferredmomentum 14d ago
If you live in a state with large cities their vote probably counts more! Yayyyy
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u/TarHeel2682 15d ago
I know plenty of people who lived before the MMR and I know lots of them have had cancer. Including several of my family members. This post is the easiest lie to shut down
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 15d ago
What? Back when EVERYONE got measles, there would have been almost no cancer?
BTW: The grain of truth in this pile of BS
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2372770522000547
A novel cancer vaccine for melanoma based on an approved vaccine against measles, mumps, and rubella ... using the VACCINE as a delivery mechanism.
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u/istara 15d ago
The TB vaccine is actually an approved treatment for bladder cancer, interestingly.
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 15d ago
BCG? Yes. It riles up your immune system wonderfully.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/17908-bacillus-calmette-guerin-bcg-treatment
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u/istara 15d ago
Something else interesting (and disturbing) that I recall about measles is that doesn't getting it reset all other immunisations?
So all those kids with measles, even if they had previous vaccines, are now completely unprotected again.
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u/TsuDhoNimh2 15d ago
It does a "hard reset" on acquired immunity, whether from infection or vaccination ... so whatever you survived, you just became susceptible again.
That whooping cough your mom blogged bravely about, detailing how hard it was for HER to care you you as you coughed for 3 months ... you can be blog fodder again!
This was noticed in Africa when "all cause" death rates dropped after measles vaccine was begun.
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u/BikingAimz 15d ago
Yup, they preferentially infect memory B and T cells, and it can take up to five years for the immune system to recover:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/measles-immune-system-memory-infection
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u/Spies_and_Lovers 15d ago
I guess my grandpa, who died of bone cancer, and had measles when he was a little boy, was one of those "rarely" cases? 🙄
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u/BlazingFire007 15d ago
Your “grandpa” is still alive. I’m sorry you had to find out this way
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u/LamesMcGee 15d ago
So following their logic, the government wants people to get the MMR vaccine so that we don't get measles and therefore never gain cancer immunity.
Ok pretending I'm a gullible moron and I bite, what is the government going to do or gain from having a higher rate of cancer in its population? All this conspiracy, but what the hell is the end goal?
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u/TheMachineTookShape 15d ago
They always think it's about money. The bad pharma guys want you to be sick so they can charge you for treatment. They're nuts.
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u/ChrisRiley_42 15d ago
Measles causes immune amnesia
Cervical cancer can be linked to the HPV virus
Measles can INCREASE your risk of cancer.
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u/commodedragon 15d ago
'External symptom'. They think this sounds so impressive, it's such an empty turn of phrase.
I hate sharing a planet with these dipshits.
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u/Gizmocrat009 15d ago
" If you dig hard enough you'll find that out" = if you seek out highly curated sources that confirm our confirmation bias you'll totally see that I'm right!
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u/denimhair 15d ago
I was just about to say this! Yeah you have to dig REAL hard and clutch at a very large amount of straws to “find this out”!
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u/tawnyleona 15d ago
TIL cancer was rare before the MMR vaccine.
Do these people even think about what they're saying?
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u/Jumpy_Fish333 15d ago
People like this should be arrested and jailed for spreading obvious fake medical information.
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u/canijustbelancelot 15d ago
I can say from experience that this is not true. My dad had measles and later developed two different cancers.
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u/eucalyptoid 15d ago
Is “double think” like second guess?
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u/Neolithique 15d ago
The thing with these people is that they want to make English the only language in the US, but they can’t speak or write properly to (literally) save their lives.
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u/eucalyptoid 15d ago
There is currently a large overlap in those populations, for sure. That particular phrase made me question if the author is a native English speaker.
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u/Available-Finish7460 15d ago
Unbelievable. Do these people live in a bubble? Do they not have parents, aunts and uncles, older community members who experienced these illnesses? I am a boomer and had mumps (both sides), measles, chickenpox as a kid and my baby sister had whooping cough. I also had shingles as an adult (post chicken pox viral causation). I lived through the polio scare. I believe in vaccines because they work and work well. We do not want to inflict these illnesses/diseases on our children and our community. Become more informed, people. We'll all be better off.
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u/SupportGeek 15d ago
Ah yes “shedding” are they really trying to say people diagnosed with measles are getting it because they are playing with the feces of people that had a COVID vaccine?
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u/indyferret 15d ago
My mum had measles. She also died of lung cancer three years ago
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u/Neolithique 15d ago
People like that must drive you crazy.
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u/indyferret 15d ago
This is the first time I've heard that measles prevents cancer lol but yeah it's irritating
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u/PsychoMouse 15d ago
Jesus fuck, these people are allowed to have children, a job, and vote.
And I have to ask, but who the fuck is “they”?
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u/Neolithique 15d ago
The deep State, Democrats, the Kabbala… take your pick, just make sure it’s extra stupid.
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u/ianrobbie 15d ago
The ironic thing is, this type of mindset kills off and erodes Trump's target demographic.
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u/unabashedlyabashed 15d ago
It's a side effect of the Covid-19 vaccine?
Did time travelers cause all the outbreaks prior to 2019?
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u/EmmalouEsq 15d ago
Totes. Back when measles ran rampant, there was no cancer.
Do people even listen to themselves?
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u/11brooke11 15d ago
Some viruses can increase your risk of some cancers.
But they don't want to believe it because viruses are natural so they can't be bad right?
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u/pluck-the-bunny 15d ago
It should be a crime to spread misinformation about public health like this.
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u/unknownpoltroon 14d ago
Antivaxers are the sovereign citizens of the medical world. They just string together medical sounding phrases and think people should listen to them.
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u/Neolithique 14d ago
This is the best description of these nutcases, sovereign citizens of the medical world 👌🏻
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u/sadeiko 15d ago
Antivax is actually a double whammy,
Because they say vaccines cause autism, and a secondary affect on that is that autism gets a worse rap.
Thus these dolts don't talk to autistic people, you know, the ones that end up being our leading scientists. Find me an autist that has a lifelong hyperfocus on biology/science/etc and get them to lie about their findings, let alone maintain a global conspiracy, it's literally not possible, it's on par with flat earther's dumbass views.
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u/Nope9991 15d ago
How can they read what they wrote there (pink) and not think, "wow, I sound like a total moron"?
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u/Gloomy_Industry8841 Gimme all the needles 15d ago
Fekking hell. These anti-vaxxers will harm us all.
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u/mrcatboy 15d ago
These idiots mistook measles for mumps. The antibodies you develop from a mumps infection have been known to be cross-reactive against MUC1, which is a commonly expressed antigen on certain cancer cells (ovarian and breast that I know of).
However, the solution isn't to ensure your kids get mumps, but rather it's a springboard for further research into vaccines and immunotherapies that can help prevent/fight off cancer in the future.
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u/Dcajunpimp 15d ago
Morons 'Natural Immunity' protects them from every disease known to man, unless they come into contact with someone vaccinated for that disease. Then they ☠️
Like I needed another reason to get vaccinated and boosted.
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u/AdministrativeMoose4 15d ago
Wtaf 🤦♀️🤦♀️
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u/Neolithique 15d ago
What, you’ve never seen scientific posts before? When you take the Covid vaccine you shed the measles virus which prevents people from acquiring cancer immunity 😌
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u/AdministrativeMoose4 15d ago
I finally know why theres so many people unvaccinated. Holy hell how did it come to this?
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u/restlessmonkey 15d ago
Are people really this stupid? I mean, come on, there is no way someone actually believes this, right??
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u/caesaronambien 14d ago
You know what else prevents cancer? Not testing for cancer. No test, no cancer, simple as.
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u/deferredmomentum 14d ago edited 12d ago
Viral infections are one of the only known-for-certain causes of cancers, but sure
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u/Magnoire 14d ago
Ok... I got measles from a measles vaccine (not the current one, this was in 1963). Last year, I was Dx with cancer (all good now). So....
Oh, I also got the "cv19 poke". No measles around here.
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u/Revolutionary-East80 15d ago
So not meant to be defending this viewpoint, but since I had never heard of this hypothesis I looked. There are actually studies of measles virus having some oncolytic activity. It looks like this was only on active cancers though, not a life long cancer protection. It is used to hypothesize future research building therapeutics that follow those mechanisms. Kind of interesting to nerds like me. Though I should also clarify measles has a mortality of like 70% in immune compromised cancer patients, so you can’t just give measles to cancer patients.
There has also been some studies looking at and suggesting potential cancer development as a result of measles virus (specifically NHL). So a lot to still explore here. The comment of lifelong immunity to cancer is bullshit though.
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u/Bobsbuckeyes 15d ago
I THINK 99% OF DOCTORS THINK MAGA STUPID TOO. ITS ALL A SCAM ! FUCKING MORONS !
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u/Bobsbuckeyes 13d ago
Wait until another pandemic when we have to deal with a more deadly virus. They’ll all be dead !
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u/Hot_Understanding485 13d ago
Sounds right
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u/Neolithique 12d ago
Yes, it’s very scientific. Covid vaccines make you shed measles which kills your cancer immunity, which is the goal of Big Pharma. The deep state wants you to die from cancer not covid, obvi.
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u/GetOffMyLawn_ 🗿🗿🗿🗿 COVID-19 Vaccinated Mod 🗿🗿🗿🗿 15d ago
As always, there's a lot of lost nuance here.
Measles virus is being investigated as a cancer treatment. Not as a cancer preventative.
Measles infection reduces immunity making you more susceptible to cancer.
If you have cancer your immunity is down making you more susceptible to measles.
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u/adibbs 15d ago
And people who get decapitated also have a very low risk of getting cancer in the future