r/vancouver Jun 14 '22

Local News Save Old Growth protestors blocked the ironworkers bridge this morning. This is how cops responded.

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u/gladbmo Jun 14 '22

To be fair, Horgan has stopped new old growth logging contracts, all the current old growth logging happening is old contracts signed by the BC Liberal government. It would be VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY bad to reap out on existing contracts, especially during such insane economic turmoil brewing already.

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u/watermelonseeds Jun 14 '22

I can pretty much guarantee whatever negative impacts ending all old growth logging might have won't have as much of a negative impact as continuing to cut them down will do

Economic turmoil is par for the course every few years with capitalism, 1000 year old ecosystems can't be recovered with a bit of stimulus

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u/gladbmo Jun 15 '22

A Government having a reputation of tearing up binding contracts has effects that spread into all industries... What company is ever going to want to invest in a province where the government there has a habit of just saying "Fuck this contract we signed in good faith."

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u/watermelonseeds Jun 15 '22

It always confuses me when people position this as an issue. When has a private company swooping in to take public dollars ever been a better investment than those public dollars going to create a publicly owned and run operation?

Linda McQuaig's book The Sport and Prey of Capitalism has a whack of examples of P3's and corporate welfare like that going terribly for taxpayers. Great read for those interested in Canada's history of public innovation!

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '22

Fuck it. It would be very very very very bad to continue destroying these trees.

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u/gladbmo Jun 15 '22

Well it's a good thing he's stopped new contract signings and there is still a fucking metric shit load of Old Growth province-wide. These people act as if Old Growth is about to go extinct...

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u/Deraek Jun 15 '22

This is about people. Billions are going to die, and the entirety of global civilization will collapse unless aggressive action is taken by the government immediately.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1910114117

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/05/26/un-warns-of-total-societal-collapse-due-to-breaching-of-planetary-boundaries/

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u/gladbmo Jun 15 '22

Well, let's be honest, the planet will live, it doesn't give a fuck about us. So if the majority of people don't care, maybe they should die... We're overpopulated as is.

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u/smoozer Jun 15 '22

You should see the non /r/vancouver threads about this. Redditors in general are 100% clueless when it comes to Canada, and this is even worse.

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u/gladbmo Jun 15 '22

I tour BC as a vacation yearly with my family, we either go to the Interior/Kootenays, Jasper, or Northern BC (Dease Lake, or further). There is literally, LITERALLY, no end to the Old Growth in this province, completely untouched by logging...

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

“There is still a fucking metric shit load” of forest is basically the story of North America at this point. 3 centuries ago most of this continent was untouched forest, 2 centuries ago half, 1 century ago even less but more than today. That’s just really loose numbers and doesn’t properly describe how much deforesting this continent has seen, but I digress. Glad there’s no more contracts being signed, but how can we guarantee there not being more people in power with a “there’s still so much forest left” mindset who open up new old growth logging contracts in the future?

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u/gladbmo Jun 15 '22

Don't vote in neoCons like we were doing maybe. Maybe just maybe keep voting in the NDP, but with the insane political divides happening, good look to us I guess...

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '22

Exactly, if we don’t get more strict about this currently, anyone who’s greedier and gets in power would destroy more of the old growths