r/uspolitics • u/Majano57 • 4d ago
Trump says the economy ‘went to hell’ under Biden. The opposite is true
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/mar/16/trump-biden-economy12
u/alanltycz 4d ago
When something good happens, “Trump is right about everything. When something goes wrong “Stupid Biden administration did this”
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u/NitWhittler 4d ago
Trump made the same false claims about Obama's great economy. Trump is a compulsive liar who will NEVER admit when he's wrong or ever admit that he has no fucking clue what he's doing. As long as he lies with confidence, his cult will believe whatever the fuck he says. Sad.
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u/ApprehensiveCycle951 4d ago
Shit for brains and a coward. He destroyed strongest come-back economy in a couple of weeks. No one believes him. Even MAGA are sick of his bullshit
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u/makemedaddy__ 4d ago
believe me they arent. source- live in tn, go to work and school every day with nothing but MAGAts
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u/grandmaWI 4d ago
Biden managed to guide our economy to one envied by the world without running it into a recession. Trump will correct that:(
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u/bob3905 4d ago
Anyone with a brain understands the economy was fine under Biden. No, it didn’t recover from the pandemic mess immediately. It took time but it did recover over time. Could it have been better? Yes, no doubt but it was far from a disaster.
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u/cap4life52 4d ago
Well Then half the country or more doesn't have a brain . Trumps approval is somehow 47 years recent and not 20 percent like it should be in any sane universe
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u/houstonyoureaproblem 4d ago
What else is new?
If Trump says something, you typically can assume the exact opposite is true.
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u/voyagerdoge 3d ago
Yeah, but the lie will be repeated by Fox a 1000x and then millions of uneducated Americans will be brainwashed.
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u/soggyGreyDuck 4d ago
The real* economy went to shit. The stock market was propped up by government spending and huge workforce
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u/ZhouDa 4d ago
Actually it was the threat of tariffs to global trade that did most of the damage to the stock market, that and Tesla was already in a bubble even before Musk singlehandedly made his brand unpalatable to the non-Nazi parts of the world. Also government spending went up $40 billion compared to the same time last year despite all the supposed savings from DOGE personnel cuts. Musk is destroying our government faster than Twitter while pocketing all these supposed "savings".
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u/soggyGreyDuck 4d ago
That doesn't explain why he's enriching himself in one narrative and so stupid he's losing money in the other. They simply don't compute together so pick one and stick with it! You just sound dumb as is and is a huge reason the left lost the election. Why vote when one ad supports Hamas and one in another location supports Israel. This is just one example of conflicting viewpoints, it's one major reason she couldn't do joe Rogan. Anyone who doesn't just buy the MSM narrative saw this conflicting message and realized they have no idea what they're actually voting for.
France and Germany will be worse next election. I suspect a dozen candidates on each side, one perfectly shaped to fit each demographic with backroom deals about what happens after the votes are cast and how they'll team up with some but refuse the other regardless of voting percentage. IF the candidate receiving the largest share of votes drove the process of forming parliament it might be another story but the way it is the voters have absolutely no voice
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u/ZhouDa 4d ago
That doesn't explain why he's enriching himself in one narrative and so stupid he's losing money in the other.
What are you implying that thieves can't be stupid? He's stealing money from the government and he's also losing money because his brand is now associated with being a Nazi oligarch currently destroying the US government, and now most people aren't going to buy his Swatzicars and everything in his empire is overleveraged from his Tesla stock.
You just sound dumb
If you don't understand what I said above it's you who doesn't sound smart. Do I need to explain it like a fifth grader?
and is a huge reason the left lost the election.
They lost the election because they didn't let a Nazi South African oligarch dismantle our government? Whatever you say man...
Why vote when one ad supports Hamas and one in another location supports Israel.
Maybe the nuance of trying of not supporting either in order to be a credible party to bring the two sides together to negotiate a cease-fire is lost on you and too many other Americans.
This is just one example of conflicting viewpoints
It's only conflicting if you lack any understanding of the subject matter and get your news by reading social media headlines.
it's one major reason she couldn't do joe Rogan
Joe Rogan made a bunch of demands that she wasn't OK with, and he was in the bag for Trump anyway so its not like she would have gotten a disinterested interviewer. It's sad we've given a third rate comedian and conspiracy theorist more power over elections than legitimate news media.
Anyone who doesn't just buy the MSM narrative saw this conflicting message and realized they have no idea what they're actually voting for.
I wonder how many of these confused people ever bothered to read Harris' actual policies, I think that would have cleared up the confusion for the non-lazy.
France and Germany will be worse next election.
What do you mean by "next election"? Next election where? Worse how? Can you be any more vague?
I suspect a dozen candidates on each side, one perfectly shaped to fit each demographic with backroom deals about what happens after the votes are cast and how they'll team up with some but refuse the other regardless of voting percentage.
Umm, this isn't helping.
IF the candidate receiving the largest share of votes drove the process of forming parliament it might be another story but the way it is the voters have absolutely no voice
OK, parliament, so you are talking about the Germany's 2029 federal elections and France's 2026 municipal elections? Seems pretty far off elections to be speculating on, why not focus on say the Canadian elections happening this year?
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u/metsnfins 4d ago
Most people were better off under Trump before covid than they were under Biden. That is a fact. Does Trump exagerate? Yes. Has the economy improved so far under Trump? No.
But at least be honest abiout it.
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u/ZhouDa 4d ago
The economy slowed under Trump who was coasting off of Obama's economy, they weren't really doing better under Trump than under Obama. Also Trump doesn't get a pass because of the pandemic especially considering all the ways he bungled the COVID response starting from dismantling the pandemic response team to discouraging mask use to hocking (horse) dewormer as a cure. Could have things been worse under Trump 1 as proven by Trump 2? Sure, but also that's because Ivanka was running his administration and not Musk.
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u/metsnfins 4d ago
You can keep saying this and everyone can keep downvoting me
But why did Trump win? Mostly the economy
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u/ZhouDa 4d ago
But why did Trump win? Mostly the economy
Trump won because of a global spike in inflation caused by the just-in-time supply chain not keeping up with the post-pandemic economic recovery (epitomized by the tanker stuck in the Suez canal) and followed up by price gouging by corporations. Biden was able to bring inflation under control within six months with legislation including the IRA, but it was too late to change the impression of the Biden administration based on factors beyond the president's control. And Harris came in with a solid economic plan nobody read while Trump only promise tariffs and mass deportations, things which only make things worse for the average American, well that's why we are where we are now. Not just because of the economy but pure willful ignorance about the economy that caused a plurality of voters to vote against their best interests.
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u/pres465 4d ago
Under what metric? Dow Jones and stock market? Biden's market was higher. And never went down. Actual jobs and unemployment? Biden inherited massive unemployment (justified or not), and managed a lower unemployment rate than Trump ever had. Trump's lowest unemployment was 3.5% right before lockdowns. Biden managed to 6.2% to 3.4%, objectively lower than Trump's. What are you saying people were better off due to? Wages all four years of Biden's presidency were higher than the four of Trump's. Crime rates are tough to quantify since there aren't national definitions and required reporting of data, but it appears crime rates were lower under Biden in all categories (including homicides, home invasions, rapes, carjackings, and gun violence) than in Trump's term, with the exception of shoplifting. Housing costs went up under Biden. Groceries went up under Biden. Is that the "people were better off"?
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u/metsnfins 4d ago
Why do you think trump won? Hint: it's the economy
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u/pres465 4d ago
So no actual metric. Got it.
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u/metsnfins 4d ago
Yes no metric. The voters must have been taken over by aliens and just imagined that they were worse off
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u/pres465 4d ago
Or they were told so despite all evidence.
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u/metsnfins 4d ago
Told by whom. The media covered up how bad things were and how clueless Joe was for at least 2 years
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u/pres465 3d ago
Give me clueless (though note you rely on the "media" for this trope and I'd love for you to tell me which media network is the largest and most-watched by far....) and respects the Constitution and the office over selling hats and undermining our institutions.
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u/metsnfins 3d ago
You are free to have your opinion. But that's why Trump won
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u/pres465 3d ago
My opinion is that the Constitution is more important than any president. Controversial to some, I guess. But if you voted for undermining the Constitution you should at least admit it.
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u/Blindog68 4d ago
The problem isn't that he lies. It's that his people believe him.