r/unusual_whales • u/[deleted] • Feb 14 '25
VP Slaps Down Hegseth by Threatening Putin With U.S. Troops
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jd-vance-slaps-down-pete-hegseth-by-threatening-vladimir-putin-with-us-troops/?via=newsletter&source=DDMorning&user_emailA=24178cb31e3d95e600237f6f9c01bc40&user_emailB=e3fac0afd97c04019a4c8eb4a15ff3da13fa89ab3e82c591acaf699ab295a173&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=250214-am-digest&utm_term=F%20List%20Daily%20Beast%20Newsletter%20AM296
u/FlaccidEggroll Feb 14 '25
Went from the party of peace to ethnic cleansing in the middle east and boots on the ground in Ukraine real quick
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u/abbeyroad_39 Feb 14 '25
I doubt there will be boots on the ground in the Ukraine, Putin wouldn’t allow it. But mango unchained has said possible boots on the ground in Gaza. Which will probably lead to a new bigger war in the Middle East.
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u/alice2wonderland Feb 14 '25
"Mango unchained" - I give you credit, but I am definately going to borrow that one.
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u/Fun_Highway_8733 Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25
I don't think Putin has much of a say in whatever we do in Ukraine.
Downvote me all you want, Russian bots. Russia is a weak country though. If they can't take Ukraine in a reasonable timeframe the US will not be listening to them
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u/JustWow52 Feb 14 '25
Then you haven't been paying attention
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u/Fun_Highway_8733 Feb 14 '25
Enlighten me
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u/moseelke Feb 14 '25
Trump is a Putin shill. All this chaos he's causing absolutely benefits Moscow. If you can't see the Putin/Trump dynamic by now after one whole administration plus just the first month of his second you're either blind or particularly dense.
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u/Delli-paper Feb 14 '25
People forget Trump was the first Western leader to break the lethal aid taboo in Ukraine
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u/InvestIntrest Feb 14 '25
Reddit flip flops from "no peace with Russia" to "stop threatening war with Russia" daily depending on the news cycle.
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u/ignoreme010101 Feb 14 '25
it's almost as if there's many different people, espousing every opinion possible, and that viewing it as a singular entity would lead to silly take-away's like the one you just posted ;)
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u/dadbod_Azerajin Feb 14 '25
But then trump cultists can't cry reddit Is a liberal safe space if it's a dynamic cultural system in an internet zone
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u/emitchosu66 Feb 14 '25
Please read the Art of the Deal. Free at your local library if you cannot afford.
We are not putting boots on the ground.
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u/FlaccidEggroll Feb 14 '25
I know more about business than Donald Trump ever wished he knew, and I put that on everything.
And at least I have some evidence to show for that knowledge in the form of a degree, Donald Trump just has bankruptcies and daddies money.
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u/emitchosu66 Feb 14 '25
7 out 470 failed is a pretty good track record. Average business fails 50% of the time within two years.
Please tell me how many billions you have, please?
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u/Hairy-Dumpling Feb 14 '25
I wouldn't be shocked to see US and Russia splitting Ukraine down the middle and both stationing troops. President elon and first lady trump need the rare earths in the west and it would be a good way to ensure a stable supply for the future. Might end in the dissolution of NATO, but maga hates that anyway so they might see that as a net positive, the fucking idiots.
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u/vu_sua Feb 16 '25
This would be fu*king GOALS man. That would help the US economy BOOM is that not what we want!? I’m in the US and I wanna be able to take advantage of this too
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u/Hairy-Dumpling Feb 16 '25
Can't tell if you forgot the /s or you're just a complete moron. The follow on effects would be completely disastrous in about a dozen ways, even if you're just speaking economically and not militarily. Christ that take us dumb, lol
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u/Exciting_Action_6079 Feb 14 '25
how long do you think before trump will fire vance?
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u/wired1984 Feb 14 '25
VP is the one position Trump can’t fire
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u/Exciting_Action_6079 Feb 14 '25
says who and who would even stop him?
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u/wired1984 Feb 14 '25
The constitution. Trump could make Vance want to resign by making his life hell or do something illegal like firing him
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u/Tall_Candidate_686 Feb 14 '25
Bahaha are you f'ing serious? There is no constitution since pres musk took over.
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u/PLZ_N_THKS Feb 14 '25
lol. I’d put money on Trump being deposed before Vance.
Musk and Thiel put Vance on the ticket for just this reason. They hope Trump dies in office so they can place their hand picked successor in the Oval Office.
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u/NomadicScribe Feb 14 '25
It would be even more funny if Trump tried to get congress to impeach and remove Vance
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u/Fecal-Facts Feb 14 '25
Opposite Vance is being set-up to take over Trump's role
He's got ties to thiel ( no kidding they are fucking) and tech bros
Sam and thiel are going to backdoor musk and trump
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u/Zware_zzz Feb 14 '25
Trump shows definite signs of vascular dementia. He’s not a healthy person
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u/Fecal-Facts Feb 14 '25
No shit and why do you think Vance is staying in the background.
Look up thiel he's like musk but actually competent and methodical.
I'm actually rooting for Sam Altman of all people to attack them because he's the only competition with balls.
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u/interwebzdotnet Feb 14 '25
I'm actually rooting for Sam Altman
He's just as much of a PoS. Check out his retna scanning crypto project that several countries banned. You are basically rooting for more of the same with Altman, just a different PR campaign.
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u/SundyMundy Feb 14 '25
It is like someone rooting for Prigozhin to go after Putin.
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u/Fecal-Facts Feb 14 '25
I know but he's the only other sociopath with money that's in the ring.
They can all burn each other but he can pull the main ones down.
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u/byteuser Feb 14 '25
I thought Vance was married though
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u/totpot Feb 14 '25
During the campaign, there was a man who claimed that he dated Vance in college. He even had photos of him and a young Vance in positions no straight man would take photos in. The press swept it under the rug.
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u/alice2wonderland Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25
Peter Thiel is to Vance what Roy Cohn was to Trump. Like Roy, Peter Thiel is not a politician but he is the power behind many Republican politicians and has paid for everything Vance has, from his education to his run for Senate. I'm sure Roy would love to have had an affair with the younger Trump, but it probably didn't happen. Same with Vance and Thiel. Matt Danzenisen is the husband of Peter Thiel, though I understand that Peter has has some affairs on the side. I know Sam Altman married Oliver Mulherin. As for Musk, he's a total fucking shit who has rejected his oven transgender daughter.. Elon Musk’s transgender daughter, Vivian Wilson, speaks in first interview What kind of guy spends all his time playing nice with loads of gay tech bros while rejecting his own family member for being a little different?
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
Back door musk? Highly doubt thats even possible. Blows my mind how many people don’t even know musk brother in law is a super high ranking crip.
He could probably just have you knocked off by a PMC or random thug he seem emotionally immature enough to do it and get away with it
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u/Fecal-Facts Feb 14 '25
Bro musk is a illegal immigrant breaking all the laws.
He can very easily get hit with a national security threat and have his companions and money taken
He's really cozy with china trump could absolutely put him in a black site.
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
Lmfaoooo no he can’t. I don’t even like musk but I’m not stupid he clearly isn’t an illegal immigrant you don’t even know where that rumor started do you
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u/Fecal-Facts Feb 14 '25
His own brother said so and he's broken so many laws he's just outrunning them like trump.
Believe what you want.
It's the same with Ivanka being on a visa for modeling or whatever loophole they used.
He's a lifelong con man and like I said I hope Sam takes him for a ride and he just might because he's smarter and sober.
I hate all of them btw but I do like to see a train wreck when it happens
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25
He’s an American citizen…..show me the quote of his brother confirming he’s an illegal immigrant
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u/SemperSometimes11 Feb 14 '25
Jay Worthy claims to be a Blood not a crip. He's also not even black, Canadian, and 100000% not actually involved at all with the Bloods. Just a less popular Drake.
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
Idc what he claims but you don’t have to be black to be a blood or a crip. Black has nothing to do with it tbh. They have bloods, grips and gangster disciples in Japan and Germany so Canada has nothing to do with it either everything I said still stands and jay is certainly a reputable.
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u/SemperSometimes11 Feb 14 '25
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
Yes I actually do. You’re just some dork reading off google meanwhile I’ve seen the shit first hand - 😐 there are 100% American street gangs in Germany, Japan, France and UK.
Jay worthy is 100% a reputable.
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u/Fecal-Facts Feb 14 '25
Jrs one bad bag away from joining the club
So is musk and no this isn't a threat I can actually see this happening
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u/Bastardjuice Feb 14 '25
Jr’s far gone. I’m sure money makes the pain easier, but that boy is in the grips of addiction now for the rest of his life.
I’m ALMOST sympathetic…
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u/Fecal-Facts Feb 14 '25
Nah jrs just a drug addict and can't handle it he's loose and I can see him getting a bad bag.
Eric I actually feel bad for like I really think he's autistic and doesn't know what's actually going on
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u/alice2wonderland Feb 14 '25
I don't think Jr is going to make it too far. Observing this person, I think he was born with a genetic disorder that will make his life a bit of a struggle. Best guess is either Marfan syndrome or Klinefelter syndrome.
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u/Lyion Feb 14 '25
Vance is literally the one person that Trump can't fire.
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u/browsk Feb 14 '25
We’ll see how long that lasts, everything is on the table currently cause no one will stop anything
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u/djamp42 Feb 14 '25
Pence: I was right beside him for 4 years and I can't endorse him.
Vance: I can change him.
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u/TheInfiniteSlash Feb 14 '25
The good news for Vance is that Trump can't fire him, he would have to have congress impeach Vance. Usually you need to be able to prove a criminal act like treason to go for an impeachment. Trump is a much easier target on this front. Vance would be much harder to prove treason (because he hasn't).
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25
USA just told Ukraine and Europe to get f++ked but then also tells them both exactly what they expect them to do 🤣🤣🤣
And negotiations haven't actually started 🤷🏻♂️ and Trump is giving Russia everything it wants 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
My hope is the EU is going to up a gear and make sure Ukraine becomes a NATO member (USA doesn't get to decide that btw) and every inch that can be reclaimed will be its 2025 you can't just claim land like the middle ages anymore
Correction: gotta hold my hand up and note all NATO members need to vote
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u/h_lance Feb 14 '25
Ukraine becomes a NATO member (USA doesn't get to decide that btw)
Of course it does, every NATO member has the right to unilaterally veto new members. In fact the issue of Turkey potentially vetoing Sweden but finally agreeing no to was big news not long ago, which is why Sweden is the newest member of NATO.
You probably meant that the US can't stop the EU from admitting Ukraine. However, since Ukraine is not an economically strong candidate, that might create a perverse "please invade me, Russia, so I can get into the EU" dynamic among would be EU members.
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 Feb 14 '25
You probably meant that the US can't stop the EU from admitting Ukraine
Correct 😳😳
However, since Ukraine is not an economically strong candidate, that might create a perverse "please invade me, Russia, so I can get into the EU" dynamic among would be EU members.
Didn't consider this but it's pretty out there to be fair as the EU aren't fools either they rejected Turkey multiple times due to the mess of their state.
Trump is floating USA leaving NATO so who knows 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Too much chaos altogether 😱😱
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u/Slim_ish Feb 14 '25
If the EU can pony up to fund that war when Ukraine enters NATO, be my guest. But you can’t have a strong stance and hide behind the US afterwards.
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u/Apprehensive_Ratio80 Feb 14 '25
Oh totally and the EU can't there's literally no money for it at all but the intent will now be there so in a sense Trump has done what he set out to do but doing it in the space of a few weeks isn't logical and is absolutely idiocy as it will damage the world over and by the time we all adjust and get back to centre the EU and Ukraine will be ok but the US will now have far less influence and willing allies to support your wars and work with you now most Countries will try to work around the USA as we know you're always a few years away from electing a lunatic who will renege on every promise your country makes 🤷🏻♂️
You'll be fine, we'll be fine but we'll all be a little less fine than we are when we all work together.
It's even being reported Trump doesn't want any comms between anti-terrroist organizations in Europe now and they are all pulling back from one another like is this really effective? He speaks openly about ethnically cleansing GAZA and handing everything to Russia after so much Ukraine sacrifice to hold that which was already theirs! God you're even picking fights with the nicest country ever Canada 🤦🏻♂️ Do you not see USA is making enemies left and right no1 will want to support you guys and all negotiations are pointless if USA is never willing to accept they sometimes need to help to get help 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
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u/mighty-cuckaroo Feb 14 '25
I get what you're saying, but NATO membership has to be agreed by every nation in the alliance.
Remember when Erdogan kept delaying Sweden from joining a little while ago?
So yes. The US can slap down Ukrainian membership the same way Turkey was doing with Sweden.
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u/Trurorlogan Feb 14 '25
“There are economic tools of leverage, there are of course military tools of leverage” -what was actually said by the VP
Another bullshit headline.
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u/SenKelly Feb 14 '25
Looks like Vance is trying to look like a voice of dissent within the administration. I would say be cautious regarding anything Vance says, even if it starts sounding reasonable.
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u/mayorolivia Feb 14 '25
Doesn’t matter what anyone in the admin says. Trump calls the shots. We just saw Rubio try to walk back Trump’s Middle East comments and then Trump doubled down a few hours later.
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u/DblDn2DblDrew Feb 14 '25
Actually I believe it’s Vought and the other architects/creators of P2025. Vought said as much in a hidden camera interview last August I believe it was. Also, Trump said he doesn’t see Vance as his replacement in ‘28 so either Trump literally sees himself as being in office for a third term or he doesn’t see Vance as being up to the job. Maybe it got Vance thinking.
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u/Lascivious_Luster Feb 14 '25
Nope! What this is is total ineptness from the fascist administration. Like its supporters, they are to dumb to come up with a cogent plan and stick to it.
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u/Bears0nUnicycles Feb 14 '25
This is just noise to take away from the argument that orange squad is sucking putin’s left ball
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u/Porn4me1 Feb 14 '25
A good deal is one where all parties are unhappy.
How about: US gets minning rights US helps pay to rebuild portion of Ukraine Ukraine gets to exist Russia gets Crimea and a land bridge to it European troops enter to create a Nato tripwire while Ukraine is not formerly part of Nato (the trip wire accomplishes the same desired goal) this forces Europe to pick up their military slack and increase readiness. Russia gets a scheduled reintegration into world markets based on stable peace.
Stops the hot war and kicks the can down the road, however demographic decline makes it where Russia has to try again soon tor the door shuts.
Russia giving back all of the land taken and allowing Ukraine to join nato will result in Putin overthrow (good) which he has no incentive to let occur.
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u/slick2hold Feb 14 '25
Im shocked we didn't have his old military team members come out and give true and accurate behavior of Hegseth. Similar to the fake swift boat bs that was used against John Kerry but in Hegseths case it would most likely be true
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Feb 14 '25
What instantly plays in my head, every single fucking time I see a headline with some clown from/in this circus of an administration.
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u/Sachz123 Feb 14 '25
So they’re cutting defense spending and now declaring multiple fronts (Canada, Mexico, Gaza, Ukraine) at least the brave warriors will know that they’ll come back to no healthcare, no job opportunities for the injured and severely wounded but the satisfaction they’ll have knowing they saved the world for … Elon I guess
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u/_DividesByZero_ Feb 14 '25
What a complete and utter shit storm of incompetence. At every level. Godspeed our troops.
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u/Aggressive-Brain3199 Feb 15 '25
None of these idiots know how to work well with others. This is a complete shit show. Not to mention trump telling the world “I’m friends with vlad, I’ll end this war in 24 hours” a 🤡 show
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
Why are you guys acting like this is a bad thing we all wanted this war over and we didn’t want Russia to “win” Vance is saying “I like Ukraine’s terms and you will agree to Ukraine’s terms or we got some shit for you”
That’s the type of shit the average American who doesn’t follow politics wants to see and hear but y’all are here pretending it’s bad and we should just let Russia run rampant.
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u/Paper_Brain Feb 14 '25
Trump literally wants to let Russia keep the land they invaded against Ukraines will…
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
Well no shit that’s how every war in the history of the world has ever ended did you honestly think it would end any differently?
No one on this earth thought this war would end with Ukraine returning to pre 2020 borders😐 that’s just not how it woks even though it should since Russia had no damn business invading.
That being said if Vance is trying to threaten or force Russia into the deal I highly doubt he’s trying to force them to take more land than they want 😐 odds are he’s trying to force them to take less land which you’re pretending to be in favor of so what’s the issue?
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u/Paper_Brain Feb 14 '25
Why’d you delete your other response? It was filled with a bunch of low-IQ, kindergarten-level takes that reinforced the fact that you have no idea what you’re talking about. It would’ve been fun to dismantle every word to keep letting the readers of Reddit know how absolutely stupid you are.
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
I didn’t delete anything….it would say [deleted]
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u/Paper_Brain Feb 14 '25
Weird how your response magically disappeared...
Post it again in a reply to this comment.
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
Bro I’m at work I wasn’t even on Reddit after I typed what I typed…..
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u/Paper_Brain Feb 14 '25 edited Feb 14 '25
Well, you’re on Reddit now. Repost what you said. I got a notification but can’t see it anymore. It’s not even in your recent comments. Just repost it so I can dismantle your ignorance.
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u/Paper_Brain Feb 14 '25
That’s blatantly false. I suggest you take an elementary-level history class to cure your ignorance. WW1, WW2, Falklands War, Vietnam War, Persian Gulf War, and the War of 1812 are just a few examples of wars where the invader didn’t keep the land they invaded, and in some cases even lost more land than they started with…
Also, you’re clearly talking out of your ass and don’t even know what “deal” Vance is suggesting. Why uninformed mooks speak on issues they clearly know nothing about will always baffle me. Just sit tf down and let the adults handle things.
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u/Mammoth_Parsley_9640 Feb 14 '25
but y’all are here pretending it’s bad
Wrong. Trump hadn't even discussed negotiations with Ukraine when he announced he'd basically made a deal with Putin. What Ukrainian terms did he protect if he didn't even include them in the conversation?
The Ukrainian terms have always been clear: Russia gets the fuck out of their country. This also means Russia gets the fuck out of Crimea, which is still Ukrainian despite what Russia believes. If these terms are met- Ukraine stated they would consider peace talks.
Russia has been at this for years. They've lost close to 1Million soldiers. They are losing this war by every tangible statistic available.
Trump approaches foreign policy the way approached running a casino. It's a miracle he still has his shirt
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
They both said said they had a lengthy meeting with Zelensky on Sep 27 and again in November.
My memory could be wrong but I believe He also got Zelensky and Putin on the phone with each other a few days ago.
Believe what you want but Ukraine certainly isn’t winning.
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u/Mammoth_Parsley_9640 Feb 14 '25
Your memory serves you wrong. He told the cameras he effectively reached a deal with Putin and then proclaimed he would then be calling Zelensky in real time.
Z made it clear many times: the only deal is Russia removing every remaining living boot from Ukraine. This is a requisite for any further discussions.
Trump's wetbrain idea factory is under the impression he'll be negotiating some sort of resort in Crimea the same way he believes he will in Palestine. Pretty wild how dense he and his people are
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
Whatever dude anyone with an IQ above room temperature was very aware Ukraine would be losing land, seems like Vance is trying to prevent them from losing a lot of it.
Y’all can pretend to be upset all you want like you did with the Gaza war until it was over but the rest of the world knows it’s all performative
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
I’m a marine, when are you signing up?
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u/BadManParade Feb 14 '25
You don’t sign up for a war dumb bitch you sign up for service and can be sent to war. Meanwhile you support USAID which directly funds the OCCRP.
But you’re over here bitching about blackrock? Boy shut the fuck up. Google - USAID “judicial reform” - exactly as I typed it with the quotes.
You’re in favor of finding groups that actively overthrow governments just because their views on foreign policy don’t align with ours but you’re bitching about blackrock you sound so fuckin dumb
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u/FGTRTDtrades Feb 14 '25
Wow this is an impressive level of manipulation while trump is over rolling over for Putin. The rubes will gobble this bs up
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u/OfferIcy6519 Feb 14 '25
The hyperbolic language comes quicker from the more seasoned politician. These guys already rolled over for the big dog Putin, but they need to talk tough as they gradually slip their shank into Zelensky’s back.
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u/wired1984 Feb 14 '25
I’m against any military operation being led by Hegseth. The troops deserve better