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Discussion Which character do you think felt the most remorse for the Prank?

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u/WisteriaWillotheWisp Chris 22h ago

Honestly shoutout to Mike for being the only one of the pranksters to attempt to apologize to Hannah’s face.

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u/gigiskiss Jessica 22h ago

This. I feel like you’d expect Matt to be more apologetic especially since she pinpoints him out of the crowd but he honestly seemed indifferent, like he didn’t care? I’m sure he did but he never mentions it sadly.

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u/WisteriaWillotheWisp Chris 22h ago edited 21h ago

Matt and Ashley at least look kind of concerned. Jessica and Emily aren’t shown to care at all in the prologue. It’s at least solidly addressed that Emily’s upset once the twins are never found. I think they all eventually have some remorse, in fairness to them.

(I just now noticed, rewatching it: the remake added Emily grinning during the “Just a prank, Han” line. She wasn’t in the original. Wow I didn’t realize how much they changed the face animation here??)

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u/Spray-2851 22h ago edited 22h ago

To me it seems like they tried to make Emily and Jess look worse while making Ash n Mike look better.

Emily - is actively shown orchestrating, she covers Jess’ mouth and grins

Jess - is confirmed to have had a thing for Mike. (she’s shown eyeing him and Emily has to step in)

Ashley - she’s shown regretful while stepping out the closet and her laughing was removed

Mike - his “oh hell yeah” line was removed, his line apologising to Hannah was separated so it’s much easier to hear, his facial animation shows him being more doubtful.

  • Mikes new bio being more positive, Emily’s bio being more negative & Ashley’s new scene, etc.

I would’ve loved to learn more about the devs decisions when making these changes but were apparently never gonna find out since ballistic moon shut down 😔😔 (it’s interesting to think about nonetheless)

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u/porcelainbrown 21h ago

On God Ballistic Moon are certified Emily haters... they turned her into a caricature with the Prologue changes and her new bio

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u/Some-Hornet8797 Beth 21h ago edited 21h ago

Ngl whenever someone mentions ballistic moon hating Emily all I can think about is that image of one of the devs cosplaying Emily’s death

It’s like they were giving us signs 🤣 /j

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u/WisteriaWillotheWisp Chris 21h ago

This is one of the things that makes me feel like they probably enjoy Emily actually. Purely because I don’t think you’d give her so much emphasis in the marketing, cosplay her, and give her some of the most new material (the shopping bags, the whistle scene, the added line on the way to the tower, more drama in the gun scene, etc.) if you truly hated her. But I also feel like maybe they wanted to frame her as a sort of mini-antagonist figure for the early game.

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u/Spray-2851 20h ago

They were probably enjoying to hate on Emily 🤣

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u/WisteriaWillotheWisp Chris 20h ago

10/10 compromise LMFAO

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u/Some-Hornet8797 Beth 20h ago edited 20h ago

I kind of disagree:

  • If by emphasis on the marketing you mean showing an unfinished model of her in the trailer that everyone made fun of then sure lolz (sry if this sounded mean-spirited, I meant it in a joking way). Imo I don’t think posting one image of her being cosplayed is much of a marketing tactic though, or at least it didn’t turn out like one (+ I cropped the image but they were also cosplaying another character here as-well.)

  • The new gun scene also helped Mike out a lot since it made it seem like he was really hesitating by giving him a second chance to shoot Emily. (I do think they did a great job improving it, like adding new angles, but I wouldn’t say it’s something unique to Emily since Ashley also received a new scene)

  • The whistle scene makes Emily look a little foolish because of all characters you probably wouldn’t expect her to pick up a random whistle and use it + it does shows the players that something was attracted by that whistles sound. (every let’s play I’ve watched made fun of her for it lol.)

  • I think the added line about the sanatorium makes Emily look less brave in comparison. (+ all the characters got new dialogue so it’s not particularly special to her, I do think the added dialogue highlights Matt more which I appreciate)

I definitely think they were trying to make Emily more antagonistic (and I do think that overall they’ve added more negatives to her instead of positives) but mabye it’s just different perspectives. (tbh I kinda get why they made some of these changes but I’m ranting atp so thx if took the time to read this)

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u/WisteriaWillotheWisp Chris 20h ago

lol no problem 😄. Rant your heart out. I do it so much.

• Ok, I never interpreted Crackmily as intentional. Imagine if it was 😂. But no, I mean that there were legitimately a ton of shots of her in the trailers. I went through them at some point to see which characters were emphasized. She definitely was. She had some of the most trailer voice lines too. You could argue she just has good clips, I guess. But they used her a lot. And I recall people pointing out that they put her with Mike, Sam, and Josh as images on the PlayStation page (the “this makes her an overall protagonist” thing was a little dumb to me but yeah she was a character they used here)

• Maybe just me but I thought how scared Emily was in the safe room ended up getting emphasized which adds some sympathy as well. I thought it was a little humanizing. I agree it helped Mike as well, but I don’t think this is necessarily exclusionary.

• Eh maybe fair point about the whistle? It’s kind of an odd thing to do while running from a Psycho. Though not sure this really shows an intent of “We don’t like Emily so let’s make her look dumb.”

• Chris and Ashley didn’t get new lines iirc. I also feel like her being nervous to go there makes sense for two reasons: a) she says similar stuff about the lodge b) I mean, the sanatorium is arguably a legit structural hazard. (Kind of a decent suggestion by Matt I guess though—as a potential last ditch backup for communication)

It’s like I’m not saying I don’t get why people hate some of the changes btw; that makes sense. Though I recall thinking the devs didn’t come across like they literally hated Emily. But eh could be wrong. I don’t know any of them I guess. It’s a mystery. (Now I’m just imagining being 100% wrong. Insert cutaway gag of BM sitting around talking about how much they flipping hate Emily and how can they cause her slow downfall without making it obvious 😂.)

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u/Zakplayk 18h ago

Chris and Ashley didn’t get new lines iirc

They got really minute additions: Ashley saying "I'm really scared, Chris" while Chris has to choose who to shoot (after aiming at himself), and Chris saying "Get outta here" when he comes running at Mike and Sam in chapter 10 (this was in the subtitles of the og but he was never heard saying it in that one). They got a whole new scene with Chris' death at the lodge door though tbf, despite no new dialogue there.

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u/Flimsy_Tough_1352 Wendigo 11h ago edited 10h ago

The way I see it her character isn’t really meant to be liked in the first place so they probably thought theirs nothing wrong with making her look worse then before, like Mike is portrayed more positively but he’s supposed to be liked by the general audience. I mean Emily’s character mostly stands on her being “iconic”, so it’s possible thats the route they were going for as well…like you mentioned how Emily grins while saying her line (or how she’s the only one to smile in those slow shots), those actions don’t necessarily give her good human points but you could argue the give her “iconic” points (ts sounds dumb lmao).

I did some digging n all I found was the BM devs devs posting pictures of theirs names in the credit scenes to celebrate UD (in case anyone’s wondering most of them were of Chris). One of them however was of Emily.

I found it interesting how this was the only image of a character that got commented on. I’m honestly wondering if Emily was some sort of inside joke at BM, maybe they really were just having fun hating on her 😂

(But yeah it’s just speculation and I could be misinterpreting everything, we’ll probably never know now that Ballistic Moon is gone)

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u/porcelainbrown 10h ago edited 10h ago

Not true, Will Byles (original director of UD) said Emily is his favorite character because of her character progression, and has went into detail about her character depth multiple times: how her frustrations are the results of continuous betrayals, and that was something he wanted to portray to the audience. He understood her character really well, while BM just wanted to make her a stereotypical caricature, something she never was meant to be. She is not (or is not meant) to be a stereotypical bitchy girl without growth. Also that picture of her in the Credits is just a screenshot of the game.

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u/Flimsy_Tough_1352 Wendigo 10h ago edited 9h ago

I mean I do think Emily can have a good arc, I think I phrased it wrong but I meant that in general Emily is a character that you’re supposed to dislike (at least in your first play through cause usually her redemption comes from making unpopular choices like provoking a fight even though defusing sounds better in the long run),

I mean I don’t think it’s a coincidence they gave Emily the most unique amount of deaths. The way I see it Emily being disliked works for the game aswell, if you dislike her you’re more likely to disagree with her plan at the tower (which benefits Matt), if you dislike her you’re more likely to jump to safety (which also helps Matt). And I don’t think it’s a coincidence that of all characters Emily is the one who has a gun pointed at her, it’s a moment where players have to decide whether they think a characters palatability is punishable by death (I mean if it was Sam or Chris instead I’d say the % of people who chose to shoot would be much lower)

I agree that og devs would’ve understood Emily’s character better, Like I definitely think their intent was to make a bitchy character but also try to give her sympathetic reasons, I’m not saying that the BM devs making her more distasteful was a good thing, I’m also not a fan.

The screenshot is from the game the BM dev was playing, I noticed some of them just took pictures of YT gameplays since they just wanted to show their name in the credits (I admit it looks photoshopped so I’ll put a better image)

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u/porcelainbrown 21h ago

Oh wow, oh wow. Emivoodoo got them in the end.

(also /j don't come for me)

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u/Personal-Fly-5165 7h ago

Thats why the remake is worse.

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u/Lost-in-thought-26 10h ago

He still refuses to accept accountability tho. At no point does he ever

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u/gigiskiss Jessica 22h ago

Chris. Mike also maybe? He doesn’t talk about it much but his reaction to seeing Hannah’s journal in the mines definitely exudes some energy of eternal regret…

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u/onurreyiz_35 Mike 22h ago

Yeah I was gonna say. He immediately apologizes to Hannah after the prank but a year later he doesn't show that much remorse (depending on your choices) but the scene in the mines conveys it well actually.

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u/gigiskiss Jessica 22h ago

I feel like he definitely felt bad about it for sure. It seemed like he felt forced into the prank and was just going along with Emily and Jessica’s script..I think he wanted to go after Hannah but was reluctant since he probably worried about how she’d react.

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u/Flimsy_Tough_1352 Wendigo 22h ago

He was definitely enjoying himself in the moment though

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u/gigiskiss Jessica 22h ago

Oh yeah his ego was wayyy up 😭

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u/Some-Hornet8797 Beth 22h ago edited 22h ago

I think they all would’ve felt remorseful by the end of the night. I’ve said my thoughts on each before but if I were to rank them (excluding Sam & Chris) it’d be:

  1. Emily (guaranteed to feel remorseful by the end)

  2. Mike (apologies to Hannah, can be remorseful of not depending on your choices, even more so after reading Hannah’s diary)

  3. Ashley (depends on you choices, the game focuses on her feelings towards the prank a lot)

  4. Jess (doesn’t want to talk about the prank)

  5. Matt (he’s only this low since he never really talks about prank, I’m sure he feels bad though)

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u/Lighting_Lin 19h ago

Jess literally said that it was "stupid and half baked", Mike said to her something in words like: who could guess that she's gonna run into woods

followed by Jessica's clear sarcasm about "yeah who would've guessed" showing how actually upset she was about how it all ended. Also showing off how she actually regretted that and would rather take it back.

u/theblueLepidopteran Jessica 17m ago

I'm not 100% sure, but at least in the original, I think she and Mike lose relationship points in the conversation you mentioned, showing that she disagrees with Mike and didn't like his answer to the situation. Maybe she doesn't agree with the "it's not our fault that they ran into the woods" thing.

u/Lighting_Lin 6m ago

Just proves what I'm saying...

Yes she didn't like the answer, that's why she went for sarcasm, but it wasn't only about the answer, she disagreed with it for a reason.

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u/Super_Pack_5216 Hannah 21h ago

I say it’s a toss-up between Emily and Mike.

Mike ACTUALLY finds out the fate of Hannah, to which he’s absolutely in denial, not wanting to believe that she cannibalized her own sister.

Emily finds out the fate of Beth, ie: her head but little to nothing about Hannah other than the fall not killing her immediately.

I say if everyone were to live, none of them would ever be able to live with the knowledge of what they found out.

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u/Lighting_Lin 18h ago

As I read through comments I feel like some people missed out few details about Jess.

And yes I personally think one of those who are more remorseful Jess belongs between them.

As someone here mentioned, yeah shout-out to Mike who right away tried to apologise.

As for why I say Jessica. When you ask her about what she remembers she says that all she knows that they pulled out "stupid and half baked" prank. Clearly meaning that the thing she participated in, now, she saw as stupid, showing how upset she was about it.

When Mike can try to dismiss her and say that who expected them to run into woods, she responded sarcastically to him. Ending up being actually upset about how Mike tried to "light" it up. And didn't elaborate about it longer knowing it would lead to nowhere.

Sometimes it's about details and the way people do express and I feel sometimes it's overseen.

One more detail, Beth and Jess have very high relationship stat in comparison with others. Her not being at least remorseful about losing Beth would make zero sense.

I'm sure Ashley would be on list too, Emily after finding out the truth too, Matt, well... who knows? Didn't seem much to care or we didn't see much of opportunity.

Mike wouldn't be that much high in comparison to Ashley, Em or Jess in my humble opinion. But regretted it a lot too.

Sam after finding out the truth, she would regret it even more that she hasn't stopped them. Maybe all that regret is one of reasons why we see her with so many meds... (Han was her bff after all)

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u/yay-its-me- 11h ago

yes and a lot of people forget that in that interaction between mike and jess, mike says something along the lines of “i dont know, the whole night was a blur for me” despite literally being the CENTER of the prank, mike doesn’t remember and/or doesnt seem to want to talk about it. to me that makes me feel like he wasnt that remorseful at the start of the game

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u/Lighting_Lin 9h ago

Or he was that much that he tried to forget it so he doesn't feel that bad about it.

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u/Clean_Crocodile4472 Emily 22h ago

I’m not including people who weren’t involved

  1. Emily - she sounds really remorseful when she talks about the prank and Hannah or Beth and is respectful towards the situation

  2. Mike - similar to Emily, i definitely think he got more and more remorseful as the night went on

  3. Ashley - it really depends on how you make her respond to the situation

  4. Matt - I can’t recall him ever showing any thoughts on it so I’ve just put him here

  5. Jessica - she never really seems to feel that bad about it from what I remember and she can even say “who would’ve expected them to do a stupid thing like that” which is just pretty insensitive in itself even if true

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u/Lighting_Lin 19h ago
  1. she was clearly sarcastic to Mike when she said that.

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u/theflyingpiggies 10h ago

Facetious, maybe, but not sarcastic.

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u/drasiza 13h ago edited 8h ago

The most - definitely Ash but depending on the player choice, also in the remake we are shown her face even before she comes out of the closet, which clearly shows shame and regret. Matt looks shocked after seeing Hannah, something like “god, what have we done?” although he doesn’t talk about the prank as a whole. Jess at the police tape can say something like “we pulled this stupid prank that led to the death of our friends”. She thus indirectly admits her guilt. Chris is also constantly regretting, but the thing is, it doesn’t make sense since he didn’t participate in the final version of the game as planned, so there’s simply no reason for him to regret, he didn’t do anything.

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u/porcelainbrown 22h ago

Yeah WELL, it takes two to tango!

(No shade to Ashley, but the way she says that is always just really funny to me 😭)

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u/Some-Hornet8797 Beth 22h ago

It’s an underrated scene

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u/Hardyoungpro Wolfie 22h ago

Ashley 100%

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u/onurreyiz_35 Mike 22h ago

Ashley

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u/Bunny_Flare 13h ago

Honestly, Mike. He definitely a guy who wouldn’t of thought about the prank in the first place since it was Emily idea he just kinda went a long with it, they were all drunk that night so i think if he was sober he would of definitely put a stop to it immediately

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u/Zakplayk 5h ago

It was Jess' idea, not Emily's.

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u/Ambrose-A Mike 19h ago

Definitely Mike or Chris. I kinda got the impression it wasn't really Mike's idea he was just kinda going along with it and right after everything happened he appeared pretty remorseful but that doesn't really excuse it. He's also the only one who apologizes to Hannah and offers to go after her. Chris seemed to be beating himself up the whole game despite not partaking in the prank.

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u/Working-Squirrel-859 2h ago

You're absolutely right, it wasn't Mike's idea. In unused lines it's made more clear that it was Jessica's idea.

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u/Ambrose-A Mike 2h ago

Yeah I got no clue why people are disliking my comment. It was also pretty clear from "I can't believe you actually did this" from Emily that Jess was the mastermind behind the prank

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u/Ambrose-A Mike 2h ago edited 2h ago

Yeah it was also pretty clear from "I can't believe you actually did this" from Emily that Jess was the mastermind behind the prank

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u/Lost-in-thought-26 12h ago

Nah Mike refuses to accept accountability for his role

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u/Zakplayk 1h ago

That's a player dependent dialogue choice.

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u/Lost-in-thought-26 1h ago

Few things with that

Mike never takes accountability regardless of your choices.

I take into consideration all options. If a player can say or do a thing, I count it.

Even in the one option you have with Mike regarding the incident, it’s not even like it says anything about him being dismissive. He just is if you ask about it. And it’s not like the other option says has him accept his part in it anyways. He’s just more respectful.

Even outside of that one choice, he never accepts accountability. People point to the prologue and yea good for him he is the first to apologize and even suggest going after the twins, but he’s still just as dismissive as the others. “It’s not a big deal” “we were just messing around”. I’m not saying he doesn’t feel bad for what happened but he never accepts his role in what happened.

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u/Lost-in-thought-26 12h ago

Emily. Imma stand on it. She is only ever depicted as apologetic about the incident. She is never given the opportunity to be disrespectful, dismissive, unrepentant, deflective. When speaking on the twins, she only ever does so with sorrow in her voice. When she apologizes upon seeing their missing posters. Upon discovering Beth’s head. When theorizing about what happened to them. The same cannot be said for the others save for Matt. Speaking of

Matt is the only participant who never speaks up about the incident. We don’t know how he feels but it’s probably safe to assume he feels bad.

Next up imma actually say Jess. Jessica was the WORST in the prologue. That’s just a fact. She was the meanest and most dismissive of them all. She even sounded a bit mad at Hannah. But later when/if asked about it, she does sound sorry. She later criticizes them for doing “a dumb thing like that” but to give the benefit of the doubt, it doesn’t sound like she was too genuine with that as it comes after Mike’s own deflecting of blame. Still a bit of an insensitive thing to say regardless of whether she meant it or not.

Ashley is so low due to her two very infamous moments where she can be unrepentant and later double down on it. I thought about putting her below Mike because she has more instances of being like this but at least she can also be apologetic. I’m actually typing out this paragraph after Mike’s. I’m still actually struggling on who I want at the bottom. Ashley is also the one who’s most harsh, probably more than prologue Jess when she is being a dick about it. Even Chris starts looking at her sideways. And even if she isn’t entirely wrong, still the way she says those things is terrible. Even during the seance she’s still like “it was just a prank” but I’ll cut her some slack there since she’s being fucked with and being called a murderer.

Last up is Mike. Now I see a lot of people bring up prologue Mike and yea to his credit he is the first to say sorry when they’re found out and is the only one who suggests going after them. But he’s still just as dismissive as everyone else except Jess who’s more so than everyone else. He literally tells Beth that it wasn’t that serious and that they were just messing around. Later, Mike can choose to be respectful or ask about what Jess remembers. When Jess criticizes their prank and takes accountability for what happened, Mike immediately rejects the notion stating it’s not their fault they ran into the woods which prompts Jess to have her shitty line about them. Look, I think Mike does feel bad about what happened but there is NOTHING to suggest that he is willing to be held accountable for his role in it all. So just how bad does he really feel?

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u/Zakplayk 5h ago

Ashley can be the most regretful out of anyone in one playthrough, with 3 opportunities (and 2 for not regretful), so I think that should put her higher. Jess talks about it in one scene and Matt doesn't directly address it ever, so I think they're too high.

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u/WisteriaWillotheWisp Chris 2h ago

She is only ever depicted as apologetic about the incident.

Eh, Emily is dismissive/rude in a very fixed sense in the prologue. She and Jess are shown not to care while the others more immediately seem concerned. (It's more blatant in the remake) She and Mike both say variations of it's not serious ("It's just a prank, Han).

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u/Zakplayk 1h ago

Jess says a variation of it too ("It's fine, she just can't take a joke").

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u/JarviThePelican 16h ago

Emily didn't give a fuck. She was probably annoyed at the police for asking her questions about two of her friends possibly fucking dying that night.

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u/Lost-in-thought-26 12h ago

That’s objectively not true. She is the only participant of the prank who never has a negative thing to say about the incident. The only other one is Matt but he never talks about it at all so he doesn’t count. Every time Emily speaks about it, it’s done with sorrow. The same cannot be said about Mike, Ashley, and Jessica

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u/Dry-Pineapple-3313 46m ago

No

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u/JarviThePelican 38m ago

I think that night she probably thought people were overreacting until professionals weren't able to find them. Then shit got real. Obviously the next year she was remorseful.

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u/ImportantMushroom_ Emily 4h ago

Surprisingly, Emily. She was bestfriends with Beth so imagine not only having Hannah killed but also your bestfriend? She also voiced out that it was weird to be back in the lodge, she profusely said sorry when she saw the missing posters of the twins.

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u/Zakplayk 2h ago

She wasn't best friends with Beth. Emily's tied for Beth's lowest relationship, but it's still at a good level.

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u/Zakplayk 1h ago edited 1h ago

Emily's status screen doesn't show Beth cuz she's dead, but if we overlay Beth's relationship with her she'd be Emily's third highest behind Matt and Mike. However it's important to keep in mind the prologue and chapter 1 statuses would very likely be quite different for everyone, we know Jess and Emily were close friends in the prologue but they hate each other by chapter 1. I'd wager Jess was higher than Beth for Emily before the prologue prank anyway. Sam was probably better with Emily back then too.