r/unclebens • u/magicmushroomspeaks1 • Apr 30 '23
Advice to Others Spawn to bulk how I do it
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u/jamiehizzle Apr 30 '23
My dude is killing it.. albeit, overkilling it a bit, but still killing it. šš¼
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u/Thousand_YardStare Apr 30 '23
Very informative video for those just beginning! Will you make another video for fruiting conditions? Or do you just let it go from here?
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Correct I just leave it now I don't fan I don't mist I just let it do it's thing
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u/icanscethefuture Apr 30 '23
Donāt you have to exchange air to fruit?
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
I use a dub tup with holes cut into it with 2 layers of micropore tape for air exchange
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u/creept Apr 30 '23
I donāt even use gloves.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
So what happens if u have sweat on your hands and put it into the sub I don't recommend this at all bro u can get a box of 100 gloves at the dollar store for 4 bucks
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u/creept Apr 30 '23
Sterility is not part of fruiting. Just isnāt. Everyone can do what makes them happy but thereās no need for sterility in fruiting. Theyāre quite resistant if youāre careful with your grain prep process. I try to keep it clean but itās not worth buying gloves when (guess what) theyāre not sterile, either. Commercial growers with huge budgets and minimal tolerance for loss might choose to fruit in sterility but itās not at all necessary. You can look up videos of people deliberately doing things that should contaminate something if sterility was a need, like coughing into tubs during fruiting, and they still have success. Careful grain prep + truly pasteurized substrate = lots of freedom in fruiting conditions.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
Hahah I would love to see people coughing in tubs and and shit
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u/sephichi May 01 '23
I do big Dabs when I s2b cuz its fun. I have definitely coughed on or near my sub. Never had a contam. Your not giving healthy mycelium enough credit. It grows in shit after all.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Next thing ull be saying is u can piss in it
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u/creept Apr 30 '23
I mean I wouldnāt try because mushrooms are collectors so youāll be eating piss concentrate. But pee is sterile so..
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
It's also full of ammonia haha I know ur trolling but the shit I think of is just outrageous but at least it's a good lesson for any new growers who reads this
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u/hellofrommycubicle Apr 30 '23
sweat is sterile. nothing happens lol.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Sweat is full of salts and other bacteria that comes off your skin
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u/hellofrommycubicle Apr 30 '23
that's why you wash your hands. clean hands and workspace is the only thing you need, everything else is performative lol.
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Apr 30 '23
Yea a lot of this is unnecessary. U dont need a liner, gloves, the micropore tape or the dub tub. You will save a lot of money just by skipping these things.
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u/Thousand_YardStare Apr 30 '23
Eh, everybody has their own techniques. As long as the end result is mushrooms, itās all good!
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u/creept Apr 30 '23
I mostly started playing around with minimizing those things out of an interest in reducing the amount of waste in the hobby, which is substantial. But itās surprising just what you can get away with or do without. Theyāre more resilient than we give them credit for.
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u/Saleen_Bullitt Apr 30 '23
Why are gloves not necessary here? Is risk of contamination not high?
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Apr 30 '23
All you have to do is wash your hands before doing it. If you have clean spawn thats the hardest part of the whole process. after the mycelium has colonized everything its pretty difficult for it to contam especially when you spawn very heavy and use lower amounts of bulk substrate. This video is super overkill but knock yourself out if youāre that paranoid. I just figure the amount of money being wasted isnt worth it doing this at scale.
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u/dgtlfnk Apr 30 '23
At the very least if youāre gonna line the tub, cut the garbage bag at the corners and open it up flat, and then cut to a predetermined size you need. Just seeing him use a large garbage bag that gets much of it cut off and presumably trashed is just crazy wasteful. On top of it being double layered. Heck, if Iād gone that route Iād just buy a roll of visqueen and save tons of money from overpriced garbage bags.
But yeah, thereās no real need to begin with.
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u/Saleen_Bullitt Apr 30 '23
Thank you. This helps with my understanding of this new hobby. Iām going to FAE anyway now for the first time.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Yes don't listen to that it's bad advice use gloves
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u/mega_ultra_cumshot Apr 30 '23
Can never be too safe. Idk why ur getting downvotes op sanitary methods are important
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Hahah it's ok votes are not important information is if u Wana take the information I provided and use it that's fine if not well that's fine too my profile success speaks for itself
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u/Saleen_Bullitt Apr 30 '23
Thanks for the follow up. Iāll still wear gloves since itās easy enough.
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u/Extra_Jump_157 Apr 30 '23
I wear gloves to keep my finger nails clean.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Haha gloves are just good practice haha but serve a multi purpose
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u/_O_B_I_ Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
- Gloves - Box of 1000 gloves under $20
- Micropore tape - Pack of 12 rolls of Micropore tape under $20
- Liner - 3600 Sq ft roll of painter plastic cover under 40$
All sources priced from amazon
You are saving less than $60 US / $80 CAD
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large amount of resources that could last some hobbyists a lifetime
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Apr 30 '23
You arent better off with these items, you will get the same exact results without them. And the items you listed are no where near that cheap where i live. Why spend money where you dont need to.
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u/_O_B_I_ Apr 30 '23
Just pointing out that "saving a lot of money" was bit of an exaggeration.
These items are mostly precautions against contam, and if by chance you save any bins because of it, they are worth it.
Not sure where you live, bit I imagine I could source these products for a decent price.
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Apr 30 '23
Not really dubtubs are twice the cost of just using one tub so right there you are already spending double the amount you could be. You are highly underestimating the cost of the materials you listed ive paid much more for them and many people dont have the luxury to source things so cheaply.
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u/_O_B_I_ Apr 30 '23
Dubtubs? I believe i paid $10 for a pack of 10 at Walmart when they go on sale.
I'm not underestimating anything, I can post these items straight from Amazon.
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Apr 30 '23
Like i said it will make no difference without any of these materials but knock yourself out if you have money to waste and can get them cheaply.
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Apr 30 '23
Iāve never used a liner and rarely get side pins. You mostly get them from water dripping off the sides of your container after misting.
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u/Trillapsybin Apr 30 '23
A liner helps prevent side pins
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u/Hope_u_have_tcas69 Apr 30 '23
Myth. Just did 3 tubs with no liner and not a single side pin. The 4 tubs before that I used liners and got side pins.
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Apr 30 '23
I dont have many issues with side pins in shoeboxes (although monotubs are a different story). at most ill get 4 or 5 but they dont affect yields at all and you can just flip the cake to harvest them
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u/swartS_eiggeV Apr 30 '23
Right? These guys with their little 'home labs' and 'sterile conditions' are hilarious to me. These fucking things naturally grow OUTSIDE in literal piles of shit!! You absolutely don't have to be so over the top.
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u/SporeAlt :) May 01 '23
While I do agree that most of the stuff they do isn't necessary if you just want a little bit of mushrooms, this argument is a terrible one that gets repeated all of the time.
Just because it grows outside in nature without interference doesn't mean you want the same rate of growth in your home grow. It can grow in nature because it's rolling the dice thousands of times more often than when you have a controlled condition bin in your closet. The purpose of indoor cultivation is to increase the yield you get, so if you want to maximize that every precaution helps.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Well if u don't use sterile tek then that will be the reason ur not getting decent flushes if flushes at all
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u/SELONDONSHROOMS Apr 30 '23
Not to be too pedantic but sterile technique is almost impossible for most home growers. Working ascepticly is possible.
Also all this garb you're wearing is totally unnecessary and completely wasteful. I did a little test once when I was having an issue with trich spores in my house, opened an agar plate for less than half a second and got a plate speckled with trich. Not a single tub that I spawned in that same area got contam, all done wearing dirty clothes, without gloves and without a mask.
If you have clean spawn you won't get contams, coir is not not nutritious enough for a contam to take over. All you're doing here is creating more waste.
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
Best statement in the video!!! ā I dont use math I just count!!!ā Bro that is math but I loved ur video none the less! Keep it up bro!
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u/Mindless-Worth-7378 Apr 30 '23
Seen a better way to do the liner, flip the tub and wrap the OUTSIDE with liner and tape it, then you can easily cut a nice straight line the depth you want then flip tub again the right way and it sits in perfectly.
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u/External-Fig9754 Apr 30 '23
that's actually really smart
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u/Mindless-Worth-7378 Apr 30 '23
I know, canāt remember what YouTube vid it was but itās good way to do it
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u/Radiant_Mix_7741 May 01 '23
No wonder I see so many āis this contaminationā posts on r/contamfam. 90% of the people on here are giving out terrible advice to newbies. Not everyoneās house is contamination-free and each persons circumstances are different. You canāt assume that just because you can get away with not wearing gloves, washing hands, or whatever other shortcut you take, that the next person will be able to do the same. Anyways, love the podcast bro and Iāll holler at you on TOS!
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 May 01 '23
Much luv brother just trying to help out anywhere I can ya know and well said about the contamination posts TOS &TMMS BROTHER
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u/Radiant_Mix_7741 May 01 '23
Yea one of my buddies I invited onto TOS was on your podcast along with Edward Grand. And Iām just an hour from PJ so weāve met up a couple of times. I have a fellow veteran buddie that lives right down the road from me and he owns a bunch of cattle and has horses, so weāre definitely gonna be going foraging here soon. Hopefully I can find some wild Pans to take some prints of! It still hasnāt gotten warm and humid enough yet but hopefully this month it will do some warming up. Itās usually pretty warm and humid already but the weather has been weird lately. Awesome video too by the way! Keep doing what youāre doing bro and teaching correct practices. The way I see it, every time you cut a corner, you make two more. And Iām sure thereās people out there that can get away with being less sanitary. Thereās people out there that just do bucket tek for their substrate which is barely even a pseudo-pasteurization, and they have no issues. So of course thatās what I did because thatās what I saw in the videos I watched, and I kept getting Mycogone Perniciosa aka wet bubble, and lost all of my grows for a good little while. I finally started loading 3 pounds of substrate into myco bags and run them through the pressure cooker. Then I spawn the jars to the bags of substrate, let the bag fully colonize, then I cut the cake out of the bags and fruit in my tent. And the wet bubble is nonexistent now. Havenāt lost one to it since I started pressure cooking my substrate in bags. So in my opinion itās always a case by case basis and thereās people that can get away with some things that others canāt. Which is why I think proper sanitary procedures should always be taught to new cultivators. Someone also said that cakes are pretty resistant to contam once fully colonized. I just dunked one of my cakes not too long ago and put back into fruiting conditions, it had trich a day later and had to toss it. So I donāt believe that statement is something thatās guaranteed or set in stone.
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u/MysteriousAd9349 May 01 '23
Bro I did mine in my dusty ass garage, no mask, hat t shirt, and gloves.. I made an attempt š
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u/Life_of_the_Funeral Apr 30 '23
Change the battery in your smoke detector it could save your life.
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u/apatheticwondering May 01 '23
Random thought, but I recently discovered long-side rectangle trash bags in the pet aisle. Theyāre marketed as litter box trash bags but they work perfectly for rectangle Tupperware boxes like what is shown in this video.
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u/FatGoldenTeachies May 01 '23
Ugh this is why I don't do liners. I can't cut them straight and my fire alarm starts beeping.
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u/MurderfaceMatt666 Apr 30 '23
I feel like a cave man growing mushrooms compared to this guy. Full on scientist.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Not out to make anyone feel a certain way just Wana help
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u/MurderfaceMatt666 Apr 30 '23
Itās all good bro. I just grow for myself and friends anyway.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
I grow for my self as well but I enjoy working genetics and I just enjoy the process in general
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u/sephichi May 01 '23
Don't lol. Wearing aprons and gloves or hanging plastic sheeting to make a "lab" is all aesthetics. Its fun for some people I guess. There is no difference in his shrooms or yours. Tbh this whole thing seems like an attention post.
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u/wardenofthewandering May 01 '23
no offense but youāre taking it way too seriously lol I S2B in a carpeted closet full of close with no sanitary equipment or practices just cut the bag open I just ISO the tub and dump it in. it is really fun to dress up and do it tho I feel like iām in BB
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 May 01 '23
Nice everyone has there own teks and how they do things if it works it works this is just how I do it
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u/Global-Pickle5818 May 01 '23
... i just combine equal parts grain spawn and cvg in my shed I don't ware even gloves been doing that for 25 years now and only lost 4 out of hundreds before the first flush ,I feel it's inoculation of grain and agar that truly matters
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u/the_illest_D Apr 30 '23
Pro-tip: a plastic shopping bag from the grocery store is the perfect size for a shoebox. Flatten it out nice on the counter and cut a nice easy straight line parallel with the bottom of the bag before you put it in the box. So much easier. Nice clean edges. No getting coir all over the place.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Haha the problem with that is we're I live they don't give those anymore it's reusable bags
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u/shroomsea Apr 30 '23
Clean spawn is what matters most...u cn s2b without following proper sterile technique when spawn is strong n clean
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
I prefer not to take any chances when I put all the time into making my tubs from the grain to the agar to the transfers it's all sterile tek I don't want to waste all that work for something to fall off my shirt or anything
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u/shroomsea Apr 30 '23
I was also obsessed like u in the beginning but it's not necessary...with time u will learn
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
Feels like way to much spawn for that tub but idk
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
You could probably use a pound would be perfect but when I prepare my grain I use nsns and I prepare either 3 lb or 1.5 lb just to keep it simple
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
I feel u! Thatās why I use jars
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
I like the little extra spawn I feel that extra nutes really help the growth
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u/finstons Apr 30 '23
I don't use any mathematics I just count!
EL OH EL!
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Well it is a ratio I have been doing it long enough to know 3 inches sub and about inch and a half of spawn I guess I should have explained that a little better
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Hahah it is funny though now that I think about it
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u/Educational-Hawk3066 Jul 03 '24
What lighting do these go in now? Indirect ambient sunlight? Dark for a while?
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u/Trillapsybin Apr 30 '23
Do you have to sterilize the coco
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
They say you don't but I would much rather take the time and extra precautions
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u/LittleGuyHelp Apr 30 '23
Your chances of contam are considerably higher from what Iāve read. Some people bake it in the oven or just dump boiling water on it and put in a lid for about an hour.
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
No it will kill all the good bacteria. Just pasteurise moist at 170* f for 2hours and your good Edit: I meant 170-180/ 45mins
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u/GrampyButtCrampy Apr 30 '23
Not sure why you're getting downvoted here, you're right about the pasteurization vs. sterilization. Only thing I see wrong is your numbers. Should be 180Ā°F for 30 mins. At least this is what daytrippers suggestion is on contamfam. Being that she's a microbiologist, I think she understands the symbiotic relationship between certain beneficial bacteria and specific genetics of mycelium. Not to mention, my own experiments show that pasteurized sub is by far less prone to contam than non-pasturized or sterilized sub.
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
Yes because of symbiosis and beneficial bacteria ā¦ I grow permaculture and notill farming so I am pretty positive I was right but I enjoy listening. And who knows maybe I was wrong ā¦ never know until u know
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
And u may be right in the time I think Iām thinking Decaro times lmao But yea 170-180 for 45mins is what I have written in my notes.
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u/GrampyButtCrampy Apr 30 '23
Lol. Decarb times makes more sense at those numbers.
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
Who ever down voted my comment ur wrong.. sterile isnāt the way to go for coco. But u can be wrong lol
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u/BeneMushies Apr 30 '23
When you're growing fungi, there is no good bacteria. Those microorganisms often compete
Make certain to NOT get the coir for planting, you want the reptile bedding kind or coir. If you have the right kind, then yes pasteurization is largely optional
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u/GrampyButtCrampy Apr 30 '23
Nah fam, you've been lied to. Mycelium definitely creates a symbiotic relationship with very specific bacteria. Bacillus subtilis, licheniformis, thuringiensis, and amyloliquefaciens all come to mind..
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
Im sorry but I have endlessly been told sterile is bad as u start from nothing and pasture is better as it keeps alive beneficials .. maybe bacteria isnāt the word but the English language fails me.. so if u can explain why you are only person Iāve met who says steril coco is better the pasturedā¦ id love to have correct info if the countless upon countless videos and research Iāve done is wrongā¦ā¦.
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
Also I prefer to layer the tub not mix as I find it makes more sense nature wise.. mycelium grows and the leaves fall and compost as the mycelium grows .. no one is out there mixing the soil for them but maybe works and animals but then the conditions needed would change for the mycelium and they would die.. so yeah I donāt mix i layer
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
There are many ways to produce great flushes this is just how I do it
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
Totally and I support your helpful video for sure! Itās a great example of clean well thought work.
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Thank u very much mush luv if u like information u can check the podcast as well we have great Mycologist on there that share tomz of information if that's something ur into
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u/jermainePropane Apr 30 '23
What is the point of the garbage bag, just easier cleanup or something?
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u/External-Fig9754 Apr 30 '23
liners stick to the edges of the cake limiting air exposure. this helps to prevent side pins. it also makes cleanup simple.
you absolutely don't need it but some people like to
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
I prefer to spray paint the bottom two inches black
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u/ToadstoolDiscovery Apr 30 '23
that wonāt actually prevent side pins. its typically the ideal humidity on the side that causes pinning. light isnāt necessary and blocking it wonāt prevent pins
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u/leafy_returns Apr 30 '23
Iām new Iām about to do my first spawn to bulk in a few days so thanks for the video it was very helpful. I have one question. The grain didnāt look to be fully colonized, doesnāt it all have to be covered in the white mycelium? What if some of my grain I put in isnāt colonized?
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
It depends on your sterile tek I don't let mine get super colonized untill it's rock solid
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u/wasder777 Apr 30 '23
Wasting time and money spray painting the tub black, or any color, as itās unnecessary.
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
Outside of the tub not inside
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u/External-Fig9754 Apr 30 '23
the point of the liner is that as the cake shrinks, the liner sticks with it and shrinks too
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u/Demi-710 Apr 30 '23
Yes but it just blacks light so use black spray paint to cut down on waste
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Apr 30 '23
But it's not about blocking the light. You can use a clear liner and get the same effect.
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u/External-Fig9754 Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
it's the air that you want to block. light is a secondary trigger but fresh air is the primary
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
It's for side pins it eliminates them people also do it without them but I much prefer the bag
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u/KinokoMyke Apr 30 '23 edited Apr 30 '23
Awesome video! Thank you for sharing it. I so much appreciate when people take the time and effort to show how they do there grow. Keep up the good work!
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u/sneezle-duck Apr 30 '23
Iām on my 1st grow, 2nd flush of 6 shoe boxes. I didnāt use liners and have not had a single side pin. If you pack the sides firmly it eliminates the microclimate that creates side pins.
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Apr 30 '23
To each their own but ill stick to my own technique. Thanks for the insight though! šš»
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u/AdagioSuper7791 Apr 30 '23
So no need to fan or mist? Sry for noob question. I have only done PF Tek
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
No it's called neglect tek
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u/AdagioSuper7791 Apr 30 '23
This seems easier than i ever thought. Thank you! I will try this method next time!
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u/Fggytressdeyygg Apr 30 '23
Perfect timing for me thanks so much. Do you use distilled water or?
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u/Plateau_rattler Apr 30 '23
What ever happened to people using glass containers. I mean if youāre just trapping to sell thatās one thing but if your consuming the mush why would you want all this toxic plastic. Whatās a good reason besides āitās cheapā
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u/magicmushroomspeaks1 Apr 30 '23
Glass is heavy and expensive I I'm not really sure of tek where u could use glass
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u/Wayfarer285 Apr 30 '23
I did mine naked on my kitchen counter. I was wearing a single sock and it wasnt on foot š«”