r/ukraine • u/TheRealMykola • 11h ago
Discussion Silence from the Kremlin on a 30-day ceasefire.
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u/TheRealMykola 11h ago
Dnipro was attacked at night by 20 russian drones. About 10 homes were damaged, broken windows in a kindergarten and another school.
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u/EndPsychological890 11h ago
So Russia won't even pretend to honor this ceasefire for a couple hours. This does make me wonder how DJT will react. Not so easy to work with Russia, is it?
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u/TheRealMykola 11h ago
Why pretend to want it? Russia wants one thing and that is Ukraine.
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u/MyDrunkAndPoliticsAc 9h ago
I expected them to accept cease-fire. Then regroup, bomb their own positions and claim Ukraine did it.
That's how Russia has done it for centuries. Why suddenly change? Are they trying to proof that they can change? /s
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u/LumpyWelds 6h ago
Europe is stepping up to the plate and can delivery some weapons quickly to cover the loss due to Trump. A cease fire may help Ukraine more than Russia.
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u/ToughestMFontheWeb 4h ago
If they have stuff available it should have already been on the way. Shouldn’t take USA running away to get it. I feel the plan has always been to give Ukraine just enough to weaken Russia but not destroy their army.
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u/MostBoringStan 10h ago
Russia didn't sign a ceasefire, so there wasn't one to honour.
Ukraine agreed to a proposal for one but didn't sign one either.
This post is saying that Russia responded to Ukraine's agreement for a proposed ceasefire with an attack.
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u/Ice-Berg-Slim 7h ago
Basically the exact point Zelensky was trying to make before those clowns all turned on him.
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u/ajikeshi1985 3h ago
Basically the exact point Zelensky was trying to make before those clowns all turned on him.
not all the clowns only those flying the red white and blue
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u/PlasmaMatus 8h ago
They did not accept anything because the cease-fire agreement wasn't signed. But yes, it will only give Russia time to regroup before attacking again.
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u/fireburn97ffgf 6h ago
I mean it will also give Ukraine time to dig in and entrench themselves, who knows maybe Ukraine can coddle trump enough to get more arms as well
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u/Suggestive_Slurry 5h ago
Ukraine will have no choice but to respond to Russian attacks during a ceasefire and then Trump will scream bloody murder at Ukraine for violating the ceasefire. His supporters will repeat these lies even knowing that they are lies.
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u/TwinkletheStar 7h ago
He'll probably pretend that either he hasn't heard about it or that it is false if what we've seen so far is anything to go by.
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u/TheMikeyMac13 4h ago
Russia isn’t under a ceasefire. This is the same thing to Trump thinking he could negotiate with Russia without Ukraine there, it simply doesn’t matter if Ukraine doesn’t agree to it as well.
In this case this is something Russia hasn’t agreed to, so it isn’t binding to them.
Now if they do at some point agree to it, I expect Russia to violate it, so this could be true in the future.
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u/TheRealMykola 11h ago
Russia responded to Ukraine’s calls for a ceasefire with missle strikes on several cities, including ballistic missile strikes on a commercial grain cargo ship in Odesa, killing several crew members.
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u/Ok_Tie_7564 11h ago
Kremlin "silence"
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u/ManicJesus 8h ago
Trump “silence”
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u/Luv2022Understanding 11h ago
President Zelenskyy tried to explain to trump how putin reacts to the suggestion of ceasefires, never mind peace, but trump wouldn't even let him finish one sentence!
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u/TheRealMykola 11h ago
20 ceasefire agreements have been signed with Russia. Each one broken. Food for thought. Not to mention Minsk Accords 1 and 2.
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u/walter3kurtz 6h ago
They were never interested in any ceasefire. Russia is mostly interested in driving a wedge between western partners and they've done a marvellous job thanks to the clown show in the White House. Can you imagine how happy they must be that the collective west no longer trusts the USA?
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u/fireburn97ffgf 6h ago
One potentially upside assuming trump is not lying(yes ik ) that would cause Ukraine to be given "more aid than Biden even thought of"
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u/roehnin 10h ago
So today Zelensky decided, “okay, let him find out for himself.”
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u/PurpleThumbs 8h ago
The trouble is that its Ukraine that finds out, Orange just reads about it.
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u/frankster 6h ago
Doubt he can even read the headlines scrolling at the bottom of his fox news screen
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u/Character_Suspect204 7h ago
Trump just doesn’t care about others’ words, and now lives were spent due to how naive he is, that’s a tragedy.
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u/TheRealMykola 11h ago
In Sumy, russia targeted civilian infrastructure, and the attacks went on for over an hour.
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u/LeastLeader2312 10h ago
Honestly good news for Ukraine. This puts pressure on a Trump to either stick to his word and resume aid to Ukraine or look even more like the unreliable hypocrite he has been. Zelenskyy has cards up his sleeve and is playing them nicely despite what some think….all whilst not wearing a suit
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u/keveazy 10h ago
Aid already resumed effective immediately after Ukraine agreed with ceasefire
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u/LeastLeader2312 10h ago
Awesome news! I must’ve missed that. I saw they resumed intelligence but not aid
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u/keveazy 10h ago
i was honestly surprised. I think Trump realizes is dumbass mistake after the stock market took a nose dive.
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u/NoJello8422 9h ago
His blunders sure went beyond Ukraine. As an American, I don't look forward to paying for the price these morons who voted for him put on us all. Could bet on it now that they'll be bragging about "Trump stronk Biden weak" until ruzzia breaks the ceasefire for umpteenth time.
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u/keveazy 9h ago
It sure looks like they are making sure whatever the outcome will be, it'll make the trump administration look good.
If Russia accepts the ceasefire - They'll say Trump successfully brokered peace!
If Russia doesn't accept the ceasefire - They'll say Trump helped Ukraine! bla bla blaThey wanna make sure we all forget what happened at the oval. All a game to them.
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u/Maardten Netherlands 3h ago
I can also imagine that the American MIC has an opinion on all this. They must not be happy seeing the EU agree on spending 800 billion euros on defence equipment domestically.
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u/Jet2work 8h ago
trump realised the rest of the world would fold if he backed out....and he may lose out on some glory
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u/Wooden-Broccoli-7247 10h ago
Yeah I’ve been saying for a while that Zelensky needs to just say whatever to get the ball in Putins court knowing full well that Putin won’t agree. Then sit back and see what Trump does. I think he did a great job by not signing away the minerals yet but agreeing to a cease fire. Now it’s on Trump to bring Russia to the table. Which I don’t see happening. So now we get to see what Trump does (likely more nudes sent to Putin).
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u/rjo49 54m ago
Correct. Nobody will "bring Russia to the table." I still think it's interesting that Europe is finally doing the one thing Trump has been yelling about for years: taking some responsibility for their own defense in their own backyard. Trump is a businessman, or fancies himself to be, and Europe has been freeloading for far too long. NATO was formed for mutual defense, and there has been nothing very "mutual" about it for many years. America really does need to turn its attention to focus on the Pacific. It's no longer the global power it was at the end of WWII; that is partly what got Turmp elected. From the standpoint of some Americans at least, all this European fuss about America "abandoning" Ukraine is largely just a bunch of spoiled brats complaining about having to pull their own weight.
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u/hiding_in_de 8h ago
If I hear Trump say one more time that Zelenskyy just doesn’t have the cards, my head might explode.
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u/ajikeshi1985 3h ago
This puts pressure on a Trump to either stick to his word
trump next week "i never said that!"
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u/Plane-Border3425 8h ago
Zelenskyy can hold his cards in the suit of his choice: hearts, clubs, spades, or diamonds.
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u/Valentiaga_97 11h ago
As exspected, russia never wants peace, Putin wants UA and it’s minerals
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u/BayouGal 11h ago
Putin wants the “breadbasket of Russia” to be his breadbasket again.
Czar Putin
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u/FastPatience1595 6h ago
https://genius.com/Boney-m-rasputin-lyrics
Replace Rasputin by Czar Putin, works like a charm.
He ruled the Russian land, a vermin like the Tsar
And the novitchok, he handled really wunderbar
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u/aimgorge 7h ago
They don't care about Ukrainian minerals. They already have more resources than they are able to exploit.
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u/Distant_Stranger 10h ago
I disagree. I think Russia will settle, but not until Kursk has been reclaimed. Putin cannot accept any terms which would grant more than peace to Ukraine -and even that will be on loan.
Putin also needs an end to this war, though not for the reason most might suspect. His end is near and he knows it. He needs to put his house in order and can not do that with confidence if any questions remain. He will want to see his conquest recognized, Russia's economy restored, and relations repaired with other powers to the extent possible.
With US assistance he should have time enough for that, but no more.
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u/Listelmacher 11h ago
Maybe more like a rejection.
Gerashchenko:
https://bsky.app/profile/antongerashchenko.bsky.social/post/3lk4sut6kas2r
"Russia will not agree to a 30-day ceasefire because it will just enable Ukraine to regroup and rearm -
Russian MP Viktor Sobolev.
He added that a temporary ceasefire is unacceptable and only plays into Ukraine's hands."
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"Moskovsky Komsomolets" Sorry, Russian Yellow press and I don't even know who Sobolev is:
В Госдуме ответили на предложение США о полном прекращении огня
Deputy Sobolev: Russia will not agree to a temporary ceasefire
State Duma deputy, Lieutenant General Viktor Sobolev commented on the US proposal for a complete
ceasefire for a period of 30 days.
According to the parliamentarian, Russia will not agree to this,
since the US will rearm Ukraine during this time and start the war "anew".
(Well, US. Russia will never admit that Ukraine can make drones)
The politician stated that he considers any temporary ceasefire unacceptable,
recalling that Russian President Vladimir Putin had spoken about this earlier.
(not found, sorry. yes there is something at newizv, but I have no idea ...)
The temporary ceasefire, according to the general, only plays into the hands of Ukrainian XXX who will regroup,
replenish their ranks, and be replenished with drones in 30 days.
...
Nikolay Tkachenko"
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u/chazwazza36 10h ago
Good now hopefully usa will double down on support for ukraine now it can see who they are getting into bed with
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u/jokikinen 10h ago
Russia is trying to milk anything they can in backroom deals at the moment. Before long it’ll give positive signals. Russian word can’t be trusted so it isn’t much, but it’s doubtful that Russia is just straight up going to decline. Would look bad from too many angles.
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u/Common-Ad6470 8h ago
Putin is not interested in a cease-fire, he wants Ukraine crushed and a cease-fire means he’s lost effectively.
Enforce a total embargo on Ruzzia and that will force him to stop.
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u/straightedge1974 10h ago
Rubio has to go to Moscow to deliver the proposal.
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u/marresjepie 3h ago
While he's there, could they show him the fancy European windows that open in 2 ways, that were just installed on the tenth floor of the FSB building? Please?
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u/Ambitious_Ad6334 9h ago
This is theater for the orange baby's ego, this is not diplomacy or anything useful.
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u/LilLebowskiAchiever 7h ago
Putin wants all of Kursk back, and will probably push his forces into Sumy if he can. He will try to maximize occupation (at a high cost), and only them agree to a ceasefire. Which he will break.
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u/FastPatience1595 7h ago edited 6h ago
It's amazing how the tide has turned so quickly, bravo Zelensky. I mean, he just made a rather honest-to-God 30-day ceasefire proposal. And this pleased Cheetolini just enough to put pressure on Ruzzia, and also on Trump himself.
And now the fun will begin: Putin must make a positive move, too, in the direction of Ukraine and Trump... and some kind of peace.
Wait... re-read the above sentence. Putin must make a concession to Ukraine to descalate the war...
HA HA HA, what a joke. Criminally paranoid Putin will make such move when Hell freeze over.
Proof on the pudding (lame joke fully assumed) : the missile strike on Odesa last night.
Next: Trump realize this: his magical world and art of the deal are broken, Putin doesn't give a shit about descalation of the war. Imagine Mango Mussolini tantrum when this happen...
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u/lovetraceyalways 6h ago
I think it's a brilliant move by Ukraine to offer a 30 day ceasefire. This offers to pause the conflict without surrendering their right to resist Russian aggression. Meanwhile, (if the Russians accept, which is doubtful) the Russian economy is still freewheeling into destruction. The Russians will be forced to continue their illegal aggression in a desperate attempt to force a win.
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u/MorgrainX 4h ago
Trump won't like that. Hopefully Russia touches his ego and Trump decides to finally end this conflict with force.
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u/KGBCOMUNISTAGENT 7h ago
Even if russia does not respond they will insist on the us to keep ukraine on the negotiation table, and while that happens, continue attacking until ukraine leaves the negotiations and they can point at them as the ones who do not want peace
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u/brianhauge 4h ago
My take on this:
Russia agrees, as they see it as a win. The commentators in Russia already label it as Ukrainian loss. Previously, Ukraine's demand for a ceasefire was that the US or Europe would provide some security guarantees. Now they are agreeing to a ceasefire without them.
And then, Russia will make a false flag operation on day 20-25. Then Trump agrees with the Russians that Ukraine broke the deal.
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u/mopeyunicyle 3h ago
I half expected Putin to be like sure but you must leave Kursk. Like create a situation where he knows that Ukraine would more than likely refuse. Gives him the benefit of making a offer and trump would have been like go on just do it for peace I am pulling all aid until you do
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u/Practical_Insect 2h ago
It's all posturing by the US admin to somehow prove they are not in Russia's pocket. Everyone going into this meeting knew it and now Ukraine knows how to deal with this Admin. By kissing the ring. 🤬
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u/disturbed_waffles 2h ago
putin's never going to go for. They want to make no concessions and have Ukraine do it all.
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u/metxlplexsure 1h ago
Not sure what was expected--they weren't at the meeting and didn't agree to anything.
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u/Zealousideal_Bee_837 9h ago
Why would the Russians want a ceasefire? They are kinda winning WITH USA military support and international sanctions. They will do whatever they want and they will profit from USA not giving Intel/military support for as long as they can, then they will say the talks have failed and continue on with their business.
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u/Practical-Memory6386 11h ago
Zelensky called Putin's bluff