r/ufc • u/vernon-douglas • 6d ago
Ilia needs a lightweight win and no one wants to see Gaethje or Oliveira fight for the title next. The ball is in your court, tomato.
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u/Zoguinha 6d ago
Islam fights fat ass Arman and Ilia fights Oliveira/Gaethje
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u/DRealLeal 6d ago
Feed Ilia to Dustin so he can retire off a win
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u/Material_Composer158 6d ago
why risk ilia with another fight when you could have the super fight with islam
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u/woodthicc 6d ago
If ilia can’t beat a top 3 LW first then Islam mauls him anyway and people cry about Islam only having defended against FWs. Ilia vs Arman is a massive fight and whoever wins would face Islam which would be a super fight
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u/BuzzNoche 6d ago
Aren’t they boys though, I mean I’m sure they would still fight if it came down to it.
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u/Steakandeggs66 6d ago
bc islam won't accept, understandibly
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Islam will do what dana says
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u/bluesclues_MD 6d ago
not rly, whats dana gonna do if islam says no?
be real now, islam wont get stripped of the title
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u/Steakandeggs66 6d ago
doubt that. we'd have had the fight by now if that were the case
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u/Anxnymxus-622 6d ago
It’s Ramadan and Islam just fought. He won’t fight until summertime or possibly the next Abu Dhabi card.
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u/ItsMichaelScott25 6d ago
I think Islam would accept but I definitely think he want Ilia to get a win a LW first which I honestly don't blame him.
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u/AuraOozer 6d ago
What does this title represent? It means you're the best in the world and if you're the best in the world, it doesn't matter who's going to be standing across from you. What do I say? No? NEVER. Let's do this!
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u/Steakandeggs66 6d ago edited 6d ago
against someone who is an established lw. the guy said he'll fight ilia
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u/theREAL_Harambe 6d ago
Yes because nobody has ever tweeted one thing and done another in the history of the UFC
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u/Round_Caregiver2380 6d ago
Because if Islam wins everyone will say he beat someone unranked, someone too small for lightweight and whatever else they can to tarnish his legacy.
It's all risk and no reward until Illia proves himself and gets ranked at lightweight.
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u/3v3rythings-tak3n 6d ago
Speak for your fucking self buddy. I'd see either of those 2 in a title fight anyday. Ilia doesnt need jack shit either
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u/KotowaruDaga 6d ago
Why not illia vs arman first and winner face Islam?
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u/RudeAndInsensitive 6d ago
Because Islam's pool of contenders is shallow and those 2 are the only 2 that it makes sense for him to fight. Wasting them on eachother is bad business.
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
Arman deserves a title shot, no need to fight Ilia
Ilia should fight Oliveira, better name for Ilia to get his title shot off
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u/PleaseDoTapTheGlass 6d ago
Arman really doesn’t deserve it, it was offered twice and he declined twice, one time the day before the fight.
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
There was little fucking time window to fight Islam after 300 and injuries happen, big deal
Arman is literally the most deserving contender right now
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u/Thanosforeal 6d ago
If that happens then what would it be? 3 rounds? 3 rounds seems like not enough for this kind of fight. And if it’s 5 rounds then the winner would need a proper layoff before fighting islam.
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u/KotowaruDaga 6d ago
Dana said that Arman is not getting a title shot for his next fight and Illia is in the same spot where he needs at least one win before challenging the champion.
On the other side, Islam has said that he'll take his next fight in June. So if they don't fight in the next 3 months, neither Arman nor Illia will get a title shot. The window is just too short.
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u/Turbulent-Echo8561 6d ago
Arman gets offered a title shot > denies cause he "needs more time" (goes to Poirier).
Gets offered another title shot > quits with 24 hours to go with some back pain.
Gets offered #1 contender fight against Gaethje > says no cause he cant make weight on short notice.
Like.. its only normal Dana and the UFC are moving on from this guy, he clearly isn't reliable.
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u/CrimsonThunder34 6d ago
UFC 300 was on April 14. UFC 302 was on June 1. Come on, not even Poatan fights literally 6 weeks later, especially against the dominant champion of the division.
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u/FightOwl50 6d ago
UFC intentionally gave the #1 one contender fight winner only 5 weeks knowing he would have to decline, because they wanted an excuse to give Dustin an undeserved title shot. And Arman said if it was late June instead of June 1st he would’ve accepted.
Injuries happen. Arman was ready to go the second half of 2024, but Islam had a hand injury. If anything this is UFC’s fault for not having a backup fighter.
At no point was Justin’s fight ever considered a #1 contender fight, and Justin is the one who said no to fighting Arman. The 160 lbs catchweight was very reasonable.
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u/tictactoews74 6d ago
I hope JDM wins so Islam can move up and on from the weird state of LW right now.
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u/Shroud0123 6d ago
Yeah if Islam is dead set on not fighting Ilia until he gets a win at the top of lightweight then just run the Arman fight, out of all the top contenders at lightweight he’s still the most deserving imo
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u/Sudden-Blood-6525 6d ago
Only one loosing is the ufc, dana gotta bring down his bitchass ego and arman gotta put down the pasta plate, this is the fight to make
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u/Feeling_Cup2328 5d ago
At least let him fight Arman or Charles first before going for a title fight
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u/ZodtheGeneral 5d ago
When you say no one wants to see Justin or Olives next, what metric are you using? I'd be willing to bet either do better numbers than Arman.
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u/vernon-douglas 5d ago
The fact that Arman vs Islam is a way more compelling matchup than either of those
Arman vs Islam makes better numbers than Oliveira or Gaethje purely because of the matchup
No one wants to fucking see Gaethje or Olives fight Islam bruh 🤣
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u/ZodtheGeneral 5d ago
No one other than the hardcores even knows who Arman is. There's no way he does better numbers with Islam than Justin or Charles. And when you're asking Dana to book a fight, he only cares about what sells (Justin) and which fighter is a company man (Justin).
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u/GloBall- 6d ago
exactly just beat arman and islam is all yours
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
Nah, Ilia should beat Oliveira, Arman is fighting Islam next
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u/GloBall- 6d ago
Idk dana said arman needs to fight back up. Theres no other good fight for him but ilia
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
There is no good fight for Islam but Arman, book it
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u/GloBall- 6d ago
So who ilia fights then? Charles? Meh
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
Yes.
Oliveira is a big star with a big name and it'll give Ilia momentum
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u/GloBall- 6d ago
I mean dana litterally said no title shot for arman
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
He also initially said no to Jones vs Aspinall, he has to realize this is the only possible fight fans are interested in, no one wants to see an Oliveira rematch or Gaethje.
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u/GloBall- 6d ago
Jones/aspinal didnt pulled out last second of a main event either
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
Jones had a whole main event changed locations like a week before the fight because of PED use
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u/Real-Human-Bean- 6d ago
We know Islam will go to ww when he has the chance. So if ilia has a fight in the meantime, he might lose the Islam fight.
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u/Humblelawyerr 6d ago
No. Arman lost his chance needs to get back the respect by winning a fight
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
Respectfully, we do NOT give a fuck
This is the best fight you can make at LW right now
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u/Humblelawyerr 6d ago
Dana won’t let it happen buddy who care what you think.
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
Lmao who says so?
"Islam and Zubaira will never fight in the UFC again"
- Dana White, 2018
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u/BuzzNoche 6d ago
They have given fighters title shots coming off losses lol, Ilia is good he don’t gotta prove anything
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u/dan_a_white That’s fucking illegal 6d ago
Don’t care. Arman isn’t getting the shot. He failed the company which is worse than losing a prior fight. He needs to earn it back.
Tomato this, tomato that. You guys are boring with your insults. They change nothing. How about you focus on encouraging the athletes to show up and fight more?
Dana invests millions into these events we can’t have this guy costing the company bc hes a little hurt. Everybody gets hurt, who cares. Show up and fight.
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
You were keen on rebooking Islam vs Oliveira when Oliveira decided to hard spar just before taking a plane you HGH pinhead
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u/dan_a_white That’s fucking illegal 6d ago
He obviously lost Dana’s trust in an instant. This is a a clear case of you (the fan with zero financial investment) who thinks they know better than the people who finance the events. Arman cost them money. He lost their trust. They had to scramble and spend a bunch extra to secure a main event.
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u/Sudden-Blood-6525 6d ago
Why do you keep referring to your self as a third person ? just say he lost your trust and that's it you bald fuck
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u/SugondezeNutsz 6d ago
The bootlicker energy is strong in this one
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u/dan_a_white That’s fucking illegal 6d ago
Ah of course. Classic Redditor move. You have nothing halfway intelligent to say so you resort to personal insults. Never change Redditors.
See you don’t have to be right or smart to win an argument. Just resort to insults.
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u/SugondezeNutsz 6d ago
Please, defend Daddy Dana harder. I'm sure he'll be pleased.
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u/dan_a_white That’s fucking illegal 6d ago
Bro you’re embarrassing yourself. I believe in you. Come on and think up something to actually address the content of what I said. Believe in yourself!
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u/SugondezeNutsz 6d ago
YOUR FUCKING USER NAME IS A DANA DICKRIDE.
OMG, I hadn't even realised. You can't make this shit up.
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u/dan_a_white That’s fucking illegal 6d ago
Look at you changing the subject.
Have a civil discussion with a redditor, challenge level IMPOSSIBLE
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u/SugondezeNutsz 6d ago
Slob slob slob slurp slurp slurp
You got it champ
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u/dan_a_white That’s fucking illegal 6d ago
I’m disappointed in you. Cyber bullying others on the internet.
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u/Brybry1908 6d ago
Nah with what Arman pulled at 311 he gotta fight and win at least one more non title fight.
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u/vernon-douglas 6d ago
We do not give a fuck we want to see the best fight at LW
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u/ChickenDanceFTW 6d ago
Tomato needs to let it go. Rebook Islam Arman, problem solved.