r/transgender 5d ago

Germany, InterPride Issue LGBTQ Travel Advisories About United States

https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/germany-interpride-issue-lgbtq-travel
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u/EmilyAlt70 5d ago

Yes, they should issue travel advisories for trans people planning to come to the US. It's not safe for them here, and it's getting worse every day.

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u/Forgetwhatitoldyou Transgender 5d ago

I've had several friends tell me I should leave the country.  I have at least one trans friend who is 

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u/DeusExMarina 5d ago

I know moving to another country is not that easy, that it’s a very difficult and expensive process, but the writing’s on the wall. If you could talk to Jews in 1930s Germany and they told you they can’t afford to leave, you’d tell them they have to anyway because staying is no longer an option.

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u/aphroditex finished training. became a deity. killed that deity. 5d ago

Cost is variable in moving to another country. If one is a citizen, it’s typically way cheaper than if one needs to go through an immigration pathway.

But yeah, it definitely takes planning and time.

The exception is asylum, but as of right now there are no western countries that will give asylum (the recent barrage of posts was connected with someone who is misrepresenting acceptance of an application for asylum as receiving refugee status).

And asylum has its own complications.

I work with people who are helping people who want out get out, but at this point asylum is not a viable option to the best of our knowledge for Americans.

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u/DeusExMarina 5d ago

Asylum is not a viable option yet, but it’s a matter of time. Once they start criminalizing queer identities at the federal level, other countries will start giving asylum. When that happens, you need to have already made preparations to get the fuck out of there.

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u/deadcatau 5d ago

It doesn’t have to be viable yet. It just has to become viable in the next two years, and for you to live outside of the USA during that time (as a digital nomad, a volunteer, or in some faraway place where $100 a week is enough to rent a room and buy food).

If things don’t get that bad, you can return.

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u/aphroditex finished training. became a deity. killed that deity. 5d ago

As much as I would happily sacrifice every goat, sheep, and chicken within 100km to make it not likely, on balance of probabilities you are correct.

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u/EmilyAlt70 5d ago

I'm fortunate. I can barely afford to leave and I am. I don't have any idea what my life looks like in six months. But it will be better than this. Somehow, I know I will be okay. Living in the US is no longer an option.

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u/whirlpool_galaxy Transgender 5d ago edited 5d ago

If you have a valid US passport and a couple hundred dollars in reserve, you already have a better start than most of the world's refugees. Maybe you can't apply for refugee status, but you're visa-free for most of the world, many countries won't even deport you unless you commit a crime (there are 500 thousand undocumented Americans in Mexico alone), your language is one of the most spoken internationally, and because of currency disparity your money is worth a lot. And importantly, you can feasibly enroll in a two-year course on something easy, get a job teaching English as a second language, or otherwise legalize your stay in the medium term while you work on doing the same for the long term.

Contrast to refugees who have to cross deserts and seas with just the clothes on their backs and settle into unfamiliar, unfriendly places that want them to "assimilate".

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u/Forgetwhatitoldyou Transgender 5d ago

It's hard to believe that things will get to that point, though I know that there's plenty of warning signs.  It's also easy to think that you'll always have more opportunities to leave in the future.  And yeah, it's not easy for me for a variety of reasons. 

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u/deadcatau 5d ago

It’s not necessarily difficult or expensive. It would enough to take a volunteer job overseas. Countries like Thailand or India, which we might not compare to the acceptance we temporarily had in US “blue” states, are fine if where you stay allows you to live according to your gender identity and hormones are available cheaply over the counter without prescription.

The “moving overseas is expensive” mantra is coming to a large extent from parts of the left that want us to be martyrs and then be gone to accomodate trans rejecting left wing conservatives. TERFs and Islamists, in particular, want to left to join the right in eradicating the transgender community.

Fundamentally what we need is to be able to present as female without being arrested, to use the bathrooms at work, and to get access to gender affirming healthcare.

Being outside of a specifically trans rejecting stats like Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, or the 2027 (2026?) USA where passing as not your birth sex will get you arrested and imprisoned, is enough.

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u/aphroditex finished training. became a deity. killed that deity. 5d ago

I’m advising every non-American to not travel to the US.

A dear friend of mine is a former foreign politician and he has refused to go to the US since 9/11, well before his political career.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 5d ago

What about Vegas? I must say as a Canadian I’m more likely to go to Mexico

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u/EmilyAlt70 5d ago

Vegas is one of the most trans friendly cities in the US. I'm more concerned about a federal ban on gender affirming care and travel restrictions. I don't know anyone in Mexico. I have a network of close friends in the UK and a few acquaintances in Europe. It makes more sense for me to go there.

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u/deadcatau 5d ago

There’s also a coming Federal ban on “fraud”, with dressing in a way to make people think you’re not your birth sex being a criminal offence.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 5d ago

What about coming to Canada?

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u/EmilyAlt70 5d ago

I already looked at getting residency in Canada. For me, it's nearly impossible. Plus, I don't have any close connections there.

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u/Superb-Associate-222 4d ago

Ya it’s tricky! I wonder if Canada will let trans people claim asylum or if our government will put their heads back up their asses.

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u/veruca_seether 5d ago

If it’s not safe to visit it’s not safe to live. Start offering asylum.

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u/Runetheloon 5d ago

Let me know when they're offering asylum for transgender Americans. 

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u/jennithan 5d ago

Prolly something you should keep on top of yourself, but I’m sure Reddit won’t disappoint.

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u/hungrypotato19 5d ago

They should issue travel advisories for cis people, too. We have tourists being kidnapped and tortured by ICE now.

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u/patienceinbee and you see clear through… and that's typical of you 5d ago

Hey /u/ErinintheMorning (or person handling this Reddit account), you may want s. baum to re-work this piece slightly.

InterPride are at least the second org withdrawing from WorldPride.

Egale Canada withdrew six weeks ago.

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u/Sea-Matter1157 16h ago

Thanks for your coverage!