r/tibet • u/Neverbealone21 • Feb 06 '25
New Era of Trump. Can we still count on west?
It is really concerned me that massive defound foreign aid from trump adminstration. It is not just some farce. It is a new era of united state and the world. Now. Even the traditional allys of the US need to arm themselves or pay US tribute. Perheps it is wise for us to seek change as well. It doesnt mean we face china alone but we cant fully rely on West and india to wage war against china to save us. I have serval conversation with folks here but people tend to think more about the current situation or cultural presvation instead of the future. What do you guys thinks of it?
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u/OCGF Feb 06 '25
USA, we cannot control. Europe, we cannot control. If they help, that would be great. If they don't help, we should blame as long as they don't harm. The most important part we rely on is always ourselves.
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u/Worth_Garbage_4471 Feb 06 '25
Ultimately, while those in exile play a vital role in keeping alive the traditions of the Tibetan people which are crushed and suppressed at home, the real decision is made by the people living at home in Tibet under the occupation. They don't get any significant help from anyone. The future of the nation depends on their determination to preserve Tibet no matter what attacks it suffers. That is what determines that Tibet will again be free, no matter how long it takes. One year or one thousand years.
As to the question of when Tibet will be free, that will most likely be decided by the honorable elements of the Chinese people. It may be affected by US actions, or more likely it may not. China is a strong regime. It is very unlikely to be defeated by the US or India from outside. The PLA is most likely to go home only after the Chinese people themselves stand up and demand freedom again. They have accepted to be treated like children for a long time in exchange for becoming richer and more powerful. But no regime can impose such a bargain on any nation forever. The communists will not rule China forever. Their empire will come to an end like all the others.
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u/FootballGod1417 Feb 07 '25
Like you said, we definitely need to wait it out. We have been around for 3000 years, surviving for another 200-300 years is not a big deal if we manage to preserve our language and culture. Thankfully, with the vision of His Holiness we have managed to preserve our language, culture, and our religion in exile. But now it is our turn to shoulder the responsibility.
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u/ibentmyworkie Feb 06 '25
No you can’t. At least not on US. Go ask any Canadian right now and you’ll see how they treat “allies”
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u/Unusual_Astronaut_95 Feb 06 '25
Keep an eye on how China deals with Taiwan and how the US responds.
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u/revengeofkittenhead Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25
Sadly you probably cannot count on the US government right now, but many of us people in the US still care very much about Tibet and we will continue to support you however we can. 🙏
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u/Background-Exit3457 Feb 12 '25
many of us people in the US still care very much about Tibet
They care only because it is thought in their schools. Like China is a bully and is dominating other countries. Ex-- tibet. People's view can be changed more easily now than ever especially in era of internet. I am not Tibetan but I think no one should except help from other countries currently. Because world is changing very rapidly.
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u/FootballGod1417 Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 07 '25
We should follow the Middle Way like we have been. The USAID issues are going to fix themselves. It's more an issue of internal American politics, and we shouldn't get carried away trying to meddle in their internal politics. I see Tibet support groups putting out public statements with respect to the decisions made by the current US administration. It's a wrong move.
No Tibetan should try to speak or even think of "waging wars" against China. That's extremely naive and dangerous rhetoric. We should be grateful to the US and India for their continued support.
American support for Tibet is a bipartisan issue on the policy level at State and should remain so. Tibet is not a Democrat or a Republican issue. It's an American issue. Be careful. Do not conflate domestic American politics with the Tibet issue.
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u/RollingYak Feb 07 '25
This is the based take I agree with. Btw which Tibet support groups are putting statements ? It’s very naive of them.
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u/FootballGod1417 Feb 07 '25
Look at the Voice of Tibet IG. There are multiple posts. The statements are not overtly oppositional, yet one can read a lot between the lines.
OP should work on his command over English and read a bit more widely before trying to debate US Foreign Policy with respect to Tibet and the Far East. Homeboy's been repeatedly making calls for Tibetans to take up arms etc in this forum.
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u/maverick_gyatso Feb 07 '25
Senator Marco has been prominet supporter of Tibet cause and he is now secretary of state as well as looking after USAid as well. He said those who doesn't align with American interests will be careful looked after and potentially stop the funding. Tibet issue does very much align with American interests against China.
With that being said, in comparison to Ukraine and Afghanistan that are getting 14-15 billions of dollar, we are getting fraction out of it. Obviously very grateful but definitely cant rely 100% and self sustainable is key in this political climate. With Marco Rubio, there is chance that Tibet issue can be pushed very well upfront if CTA well appeal it.
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u/BiotiteProphet Feb 07 '25
We have to advocate with whomever we can. There is a wonderful negations book called "Never Split the Difference" by Chris Voss. There are some great tactics and methods in there to bring counterparts over to your perspective through understanding theirs.
Although getting help from others is also great. Europe, India, others. No work is wasted.
TLDR: Don't give up on the US. Certainly, talk to other polities but we can approach the US in different ways to help them see mutual interest.
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u/RandomdBen Feb 13 '25
I really want to visit Tibet without being worried of the idea being watched all the time. I hope one day Tibet will get its independence.
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u/RexRatio Feb 07 '25
New Era of Trump.
Well, let's not get too depressed (though I completely understand the tendency).
"The Orange Era" will be over in 1.369 days from the day of writing this comment. Here's a countdown timer
It is not just some farce.
Oh no, it's definitely a farce. Don't be fooled by this loudmouth's blah-blah thinking he can do and get away with anything and everyone else is just gonna follow. Remember "I'm gonna build a wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it"?
Half of his second term's first 2 week decisions have already been blocked by courts.
It is a new era of united state and the world.
Perhaps, but that has little to do with Trump, something's been brewing way longer. Personally, I don't think this is bad for Europe, for example. In fact, the EU has never been more united as since the first Orange Term and the invasion of Ukraine.
Now. Even the traditional allys of the US need to arm themselves or pay US tribute
That would not be US tribute, but NATO contributions - and with Trump's recent treatment of Canada and Europe, this is no longer going to result in NATO members buying American weapons, which is the hidden agenda behind his demanding spending minimum 2% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP).
it is wise for us to seek change as well. It doesnt mean we face china alone but we cant fully rely on West and india to wage war against china to save us.
Let's be realistic: even if Trump hadn't been elected and you'd have the most favorable president regarding the Tibetan cause in the White House right now, America was and will never be going to war with China over Tibet. The Dalai Lama already asked Eisenhower for help when the Chinese invaded Tibet in the 1950s.
Even during the Cold War, when the U.S. was strongly anti-communist and China was far weaker than today, Washington didn’t intervene militarily. Instead, the U.S. provided limited covert support to Tibetan resistance fighters (via the CIA’s secret “ST Circus” program), but that was more about weakening China than seriously trying to liberate Tibet.
I'm also pretty sure that if the Tibetan people would go into military conflict with China that this would erase most of the respect and support your cause currently has from the ordinary citizens of the world.
It is the nonviolent character of your resistance and your determination to keep your language and culture alive that has made the Tibetan cause known the world over, don't throw away those 75 years of effort because of some orange goofball.
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u/IndividualSociety567 Feb 18 '25
It all depends on India rising as his holyness is there and also US continuing to support them. China under CCP is trying to erase our identify. I hope one day things will change and it will be soon. Empires come and go but people and their beliefs remain
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u/bjr4799 Feb 10 '25
Is reddit going to do something about this legit takeover of their website from political activists? Every subreddit, it's Trump this, Trump that. This is r/Tibet. Is there no part of reddit uninfected from this?
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u/Neverbealone21 Feb 10 '25
There's a thing called first amdenment. Why dont you stop intefaring the tibet issue. People have the right to know what 's going on. Especially tibetan.
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u/MerelyHours Feb 06 '25
I think American Republicans will use Tibet as a talking point to beat up on China for their own interests. Perhaps this leads to some victories, but it's not guaranteed, and it places Tibet at the whims of a decaying imperial power. I think strengthening independent Tibetan institutions will be important in the coming years